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The Red Terror in Spain (Spanish: Terror Rojo en España) was a semi-organized activity carried out by sections of nearly all left-wing groups involved in the Spanish Civil War against people associated with right-wing groups or the Catholic Church, including arrest and executions.[3] It included the killing of tens of thousands of people (including 6,832 members of the Catholic clergy).[4] A process of political polarisation had characterised the Spanish Second Republic – party divisions became increasingly embittered and questions of religious identity came to assume a major political significance. Those who sought to lead the 'ordinary faithful' had insisted that Catholics had only one political choice. " Voting for the CEDA was presented as a simple duty; good Catholics would go to Mass on Sunday and support the political right."
No it can't. Socialism is down to the people, not governments, or other authority. It fails because people like you fail to realize the truth. Since WWII you have been lied to by your state system. Intellectual people realise this.....
No it can't. Socialism is down to the people, not governments, or other authority. It fails because people like you fail to realize the truth. Since WWII you have been lied to by your state system. Intellectual people realise this.....
In EVERY true socialist/communist country the "intellectuals, authors, poets, etc, etc" are either executed or imprisoned so they cannot rise up again, because they can help to raise the morale of the rest of the population against socialism/communism once they realise the failure of their choice to beleive the lies of the socialists/communists...
In the years immediately following their accession to power in 1917, the Bolsheviks took measures to prevent challenges to their new regime, beginning with eliminating political opposition...
In 1919, he began mass arrests of professors and scientists who had been Kadets, and deported Kadets, Socialist Revolutionaries, Mensheviks, and Nationalists. The Bolshevik leadership sought rapidly to purge Russia of past leaders in order to build the future on a clean slate.
These harsh measures alienated a large number of the intellectuals who had supported the overthrow of the tsarist order. The suppression of democratic institutions evoked strong protests from academics and artists,who felt betrayed in their idealistic belief that revolution would bring a free society.....
www.ibiblio.org...
“What unites the many different forms of Socialism.. is the conception that socialism (or a reasonable facsimile thereof) must be handed down to the grateful masses in one form or another, by a ruling elite which is not subject to their control...” search.marxists.org...
Dewey's philosophy had evolved from Hegelian idealism to socialist materialism, and the purpose of the school was to show how education could be changed to produce little socialists and collectivists instead of little capitalists and individualists. It was expected that these little socialists, when they became voting adults, would dutifully change the American economic system into a socialist one.
In order to do so he analyzed the traditional curriculum that sustained the capitalist, individualistic system and found what he believed was the sustaining linchpin -- that is, the key element that held the entire system together: high literacy. To Dewey, the greatest obstacle to socialism was the private mind that seeks knowledge in order to exercise its own private judgment and intellectual authority. High literacy gave the individual the means to seek knowledge independently. It gave individuals the means to stand on their own two feet and think for themselves. This was detrimental to the "social spirit" needed to bring about a collectivist society. Dewey wrote in Democracy and Education, published in 1916:
When knowledge is regarded as originating and developing within an individual, the ties which bind the mental life of one to that of his fellows are ignored and denied.
When the social quaility of individualized mental operations is denied, it becomes a problem to find connections which will unite an individual with his fellows. Moral individualism is set up by the conscious separation of different centers of life. It has its roots in the notion that the consciousness of each person is wholly private, a self-inclosed continent. intrinsically independent of the ideas, wishes, purposes of everybody else.
And he wrote in School and Society in 1899:
The tragic weakness of the present school is that it endeavors to prepare future members of the social order in a medium in which the conditions of the social spirit are eminently wanting ...
The mere absorbing of facts and truths is so exclusively individual an affair that it tends very naturally to pass into selfishness. There is no obvious social motive for the acquirement of merely learning, there is no clear social gain in success threat.
It seems incredible that a man of Dewey's intelligence could state that the sort of traditional education that produced our founding fathers and the wonderful inventors of the 19th century lacked "social spirit" when it was these very individuals who created the freest, happiest, and most prosperous nation in all of human history. www.ordination.org...
Originally posted by crimvelvet
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No wonder we have no true leaders to choose from anymore. They were stunted from the day they hit school.
....Americans, and westerners in general have been warned for a couple decades by several KGB and former Russian spies yet they have fallen asleep for the most partand many have fallen for the lies of socialism/communism.
Originally posted by crimvelvet
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It seems to support the fact that the politicians in this country and their propaganda Media are actually traitors to the USA.
....I have said it many times, a One World Government can only be implemented if every country turns socialist/communist, and this has been part of the goal of the communist hardliners who have grouped and infiltrated the rich elite's circles. Look at every major organization such as the UN and you will find SOCIALIST/COMMUNIST doctrines ingrained in their groups.
In the Soviet Union, as in every Communist country (or as they call themselves -- the Socialist countries), the power has not come to the Communists' hands because the downtrodden masses willed it so. The power has come from the top down in every instance. Let us briefly reconstruct the sequences of the Communist takeover.
The year is 1917. The Allies are fighting the Central Powers. The Allies include Russia, the British Commonwealth, France and by April 1917, the United States. in March of 1917, purposeful planners set in motion the forces to compel Czar Nicholas II to abdicate. He did so under pressure from the Allies after severe riots in the Czarist capitol of Petrograd, riots that were caused by the breakdowns in the transportation system which cut the city off from food supplies and led to the closing of factories.
But where were Lenin and Trotsky when all this was taking place? Lenin was in Switzerland and had been in Western Europe since 1905 when he was exiled for trying to topple the Czar in the abortive Communist revolution of that year. Trotsky also was in exile, a reporter for a Communist newspaper on the lower east side of New York City. The Bolsheviks were not a visible political force at the time the Czar abdicated. And they came to power not because the downtrodden masses of Russia called them back, but because very powerful men in Europe and the United States sent them in.
Lenin was sent across Europe-at-war on the famous "sealed train." With him, Lenin took some $5 to $6 million in gold. The whole thing was arranged by the German high command and Max Warburg, through another very wealthy and lifelong socialist by the name of Alexander Helphand alias "Parvus." www.modernhistoryproject.org...
Originally posted by SFlowers
American don't hate communism at all, most of them probably don't even know what it is. It's just become another word here that people use to describe someone they do not agree with, much like "terrorist"
Originally posted by SFlowers
The rich, conservative people don't like universal health care because they love their money so much, they'd rather see it used on themselves or sit in the bank than help poor people get medical attention, because they think that's what "redistribution of wealth" is.
Originally posted by SFlowers
It's really just selfishness and ignorance.
Originally posted by SFlowers
But at the same time, by their standards, what do I know? I am a liberal (I am not, but how many times have I been accused of that? Let me count..). I clearly have no idea what is going on. I am no better than a terrorist (or a communist?)
Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
reply to post by Wally Hope
... Nice try... How about talking about how many people they murdered in Spain mostly for being "religious" which a majority of Spaniards were?...
I love how leftists continuosly love to tell lies or don't tell certain facts that show what socialism/communism really does to a country and it's people...
socialism/communism CLAIMS to represent the people and that all means of production are owned by the people, but this is not true... In fact it is the PARTY/GOVERNMENT that owns all means of production in socialist/communist countries.
Why "Libertarian"?
It is recognized that there are authoritarian systems and behavior, distinct from libertarian, or non-authoritarian ones. Since capitalism's early beginnings in Europe, and it's authoritarian trend of wage-slavery for the majority of people (working class) by a smaller, elite group (a ruling, or, capitalist class) who own the "means of production": machines, land, factories, there was a liberatory movement in response to capitalism known as "Socialism". In almost every case, the socialist movement has been divided along authoritarian, and libertarian lines. The anarchists on the libertarian side, and the Jacobins, Marxists, Leninists, Stalinists, and reformist state-socialists on the authoritarian side. (And liberals more or less split down the middle.)
There was also a movement called "Propaganda by deed", around the late 1800's to early 1900's, in which some anarchists (Such as the Italian Anarchist Luigi Galleani (1861-1931)), believed that violence was the best strategy for opposing the state. This proved a disaster, alienating anarchists from the general population and exposing them to negative characterizations by the press... the "bomb-toting anarchist" is for the most part a creation of the corporate media- before this stigma anarchism was recognized as an anti-authoritarian socialist movement.
Many anarchist groups and publications used the word "libertarian" instead of "anarchist" to avoid state repression and the negative association of the former term. Libertarian Socialism differentiates itself from "Anarchy" as a movement only in that it specifically focuses on working class organisation and education in order to achieve human emancipation from the fetters of capitalism.
Why "Socialism"?
Socialism, in it's traditional and true definition, means "the workers democratic ownership and/or control of the means of production". Such a definition implies that rather than a government bureaucracy for managing such means, there is a focus on highly democratic organisation, education and awareness, and every individual is encouraged to become an active, rather than passive participant in that which effect their lives. Only the workers themselves bear the knowledge of what their own freedom and liberty means, and only they know what is best for themselves, ultimately. Advocates of the state, be they on the left, or the right, have repeatedly defined the meaning of "socialism" to mean arbitrary rule by a set of "leaders", or a political con-game in which socialism is no more than capitalism with a few token adjustments for bearability.
Not to mention that socialism/communism is more materialistic than capitalism because under socialism/communism all religions and spiritual paths are shunned and banned. Individuality itself is frowned upon which means all individual freedom is lost.
socialism/communism goes against the natural spiritual answers and paths that mankind has been seeking since time immemorial.
It should be the decision of every individual if they want to follow any spiritual path or not, socialism and communism seek to take this choice, among others, away.
Even ancient tribes used to trade with other tribes, not to mention that people would seek to band with others who had different skills to survive and live better lives, and they would trade their different skills for money or for other services some other person was able to provide, this is capitalism.
Originally posted by crimvelvet
reply to post by Wally Hope
No it can't. Socialism is down to the people, not governments, or other authority. It fails because people like you fail to realize the truth. Since WWII you have been lied to by your state system. Intellectual people realise this.....
I listened to my brother explain Marxism to my father and figured out for myself it was a very flawed system.... at the age of 9.
What I find interesting is no one seems to actually know what capitalism really is. It certainly isn't the travesty we are living under now.
Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
Obviously you don't know that Americans have been fighting socialist/communist expansionism for decades, and most people who have escaped socialist/communist dictatorships have fled to the U.S. and have become U.S. citizens...
communism/socialism has been around for a long time, and it is nothing new to Islamic extremism, since you brought up Islam and socialism, although if you had searched about it you would have found that most, if not all Islamic nations are socialist in one form or another, just in case you didn't know.
Hitler saw in Muslims allies, and Muslim extremists saw/see Hitler not only as an ally, but as someone to look up to.
Many conservatives accuse Hitler of being a leftist, on the grounds that his party was named "National Socialist." But socialism requires worker ownership and control of the means of production. In Nazi Germany, private capitalist individuals owned the means of production, and they in turn were frequently controlled by the Nazi party and state. True socialism does not advocate such economic dictatorship -- it can only be democratic. Hitler's other political beliefs place him almost always on the far right. He advocated racism over racial tolerance, eugenics over freedom of reproduction, merit over equality, competition over cooperation, power politics and militarism over pacifism, dictatorship over democracy, capitalism over Marxism, realism over idealism, nationalism over internationalism, exclusiveness over inclusiveness, common sense over theory or science, pragmatism over principle, and even held friendly relations with the Church, even though he was an atheist.
Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
BTW, the "socialist/communist uprising" in Spain was called the RED TERROR for a reason...and it wasn't because the "regular people loved it"...
The Red Terror in Spain (Spanish: Terror Rojo en España) was a semi-organized activity carried out by sections of nearly all left-wing groups involved in the Spanish Civil War against people associated with right-wing groups or the Catholic Church, including arrest and executions.[3] It included the killing of tens of thousands of people (including 6,832 members of the Catholic clergy).[4] A process of political polarisation had characterised the Spanish Second Republic – party divisions became increasingly embittered and questions of religious identity came to assume a major political significance. Those who sought to lead the 'ordinary faithful' had insisted that Catholics had only one political choice. " Voting for the CEDA was presented as a simple duty; good Catholics would go to Mass on Sunday and support the political right."
en.wikipedia.org...(Spain)