reply to post by spy66
There is also a third state
3) Dreamless Sleep
So we obviously "take the plunge" every single night when we sleep, and, since there may be extraordinarily deep psychic processing occuring, unto the
very treshold of a transluminal reintegration with the Zero Point Field, or Akashic Record - we cannot be certain that each day we awaken precisely
the same person. Anything can happen, especially in dreams, when the non-local quantum holographic mind may be considered to be, enveloped, in
increasing spheres of consciousness, or depths thereof, and realms.
My pont is that this isn't a restricted localized occurance, at the exclusion the larger reality, and mind, within which this sleeping mind of ours
resides, whether at night, or in the blinding maya, and the illusion of separation, of the day, or, general waking consciousness.
The mind, over and above being a classical recording device, is also a non-localized, quantum holographic phenomenon. What's perhaps so special about
WAKING consciousness, is that the self who chooses, or who has absolute freedom, is also a manifestation of the very same consciousness, albeit at a
fundamentally different level or order (implicate order?) - is also a non-localized phenomenon, who only collapses the universal wave of infinite
possibility, when a choice, a judgement, a measurement or a decision, is made, after which learned behavior and classical recording machine-mind takes
over. But that mind, the classical mind cannot be the "REAL YOU" since it's just a machine, an IT, where the REAL YOU is the one who has authority in
matters of choice, and who, strangely enough, does not and cannot be situated as a collapsed localized phenomenon.
The brain them is a recording, and a transmitting and recieving instrument, who accesses the zero point field of consciousness, both when sleeping,
and when awake.
It is therefore best to forget about about who we thought we were when we go to sleep at night, and when we wake up in the morning.
The possibility for a transformation then is always available, at each moment.
Thus any one among us can travel from present, to future past (in imagination) and from sinner, to saint, we are that close, and the veil, so thin.
We forgot who we are! Michael Cecil is right to say that we've been blinded by the twin pillars of a self and a thinker, or analyzer. It arises from
the run on thoughts in the head, born of the static from the machine, with all of its thoughts, interpretations and messages ABOUT reality, when all
the while there is also a KNOWER who looks on, unmoved, but not without a keen sense of curiosity, and a bemused smile at the whole affair.
We've got to get this issue about true self identity straightened out imho.
We do NOT know who we are, except in terms of this mysterious self, who's experience the consciousness people call "qualia", and it cannot be located
within from the outside, either. It is impossible to measure from a third party position.
And so in the final analysis, I think we end up at the end of time and history, in some sort of unconditioned ground of all being and becoming in
potentia, and we probe this space all the time with our imagination, of things not yet done, or seen, or repackaged in a new way and a new light. The
uniqueness of merely BEING a human being in this universe, is itself profound and absurd in its own right.
If only we could awaken to a profound and lasting sense of awe, and gratitude, and loving devotion (eternal life) rendered through selfless service or
by working on one's own self for the sake of both one's self and our fellow man.
We may as well just go through the gate, I think, and find pasture and freely come and go until we get established in the new domain, and the first
tool we will pick up when we arrive, will be the creative tool of time itself, born of nothing but the human imagination, unleashed to reach for it's
true potential, and to bring that out in the process for everyone's sake (setting the lamp out on the lampstand).
But it takes no courage at all, only a rational mind making inquiries of the logos. It's all available to us, anything and everything. If only we
would but ask, and recieve.
My I'm asking for [Courage] this Christmas. The courage to make needed changes and surrender to what I've discovered, and to an even greater unknown.
In other words to start practicing, what I preach here on ATS!
My mother (God rest her soul) once said - "sin with courage". A rather absurd thing for a mother to say, and for years I never understood it, but I
think it means to move forward in fear and trembling, stumbling as needed, imperfect, even hunched over, quazi-motto'ing up the stairs, because what
was once perhaps grotesque changes and metamorphosizes into the most beautiful butterly (she liked butterflies). We are a work in progress un other
words, so it's good to be gentle with people, starting with our own selves.
To be accepted and invited and fully loved, unconditionally, how wouldn't that be something, that God might be a God of love in the end.
I know it.
Don't understand it. but I know it.
forgive me for rambling. just stream of consciousness stuff in the lead up to Christmas and winter solstice.
A new sun will dawn. We'll "get" this thing, one way or another, it will come.
edit on 1-12-2010 by NewAgeMan because: typo, and edit, while attempting to gently squeeze or hug my fellow ATS'ers, with love,