Originally posted by Valdestine
then do you think everyone from US embassies revealed to be spying should also be charged for espionage?
In your zeal to push your agenda you dont even seem to care for basic human rights such as being innocent until proven guilty, it's pretty obvious
what side you're on
The answer to your first question would be no since Diplomats have whats called Diplomatic immunity. This is not just a US thing but a world standard
extended to most embassy officals. To take your question one step farther the US has arrested, charged and tried Americans for espionage when they got
caught working for another Government. Just as foriegn nationals are treated when they are caught spying for the United States
I have stated multiple times now Assange should get his day in court, either from US charges, Sweden's charges and possibly Russian provided their
security services dont just assasinate him for leaking their files.
I have no problem with innocent until proven guilty. However Assange himself is violating that point. Assange is trying to hold the US accountible
through a trial in the media and not a court of law. Assange made no effort to turn info over to any entity to investigate or bring charges.
I find it funny that the people who support Assange scream bloody murder anytime people talk about charging this guy. Assange comiited a crime and
should be held liable for that, just as ALL of you guys demand action be taken against the US Government, and the people within, who in your opinions
broke the wall as well.
So since you demand human rights, due process and innocent until proven guilty, then you need to use the exact same standard when looking at US
actions. As I said before any evidence gleaned from the document release cannot be used to charge anyone since the manner in which the info was
aquired is ILLEGAL, meaning under US Law its considered fruit of the poisonous tree.
Assange is a moron but hes not and knows that is the case. This is why he is dumping as much info as he can, because he wants to cause as many
problems with our firiegn policy as he can. This is where he is the liar. Explain to me how Diplomatic Cables are relevant to his stated position?
Explain how the business documents he is going to release have anything to do with Iraq or Afghanistan?
Some people in these forums view this guy as a God, not because of his stated goal of trying to end the wars, but because they feel they are entitled
to seeing all of this classified information. This is one of the main reasons people like this guy. They want to be in the know in terms of whats
Personally if you want that setup and access, then join the damn military and go into the intelligence field.
Even the supporters are all over the place with this guy. If you read some of the posts from the begining of this debate its stated a few times that
the war in Iraq was illegal because it was based off intelligence that people felt was a lie.
When it was shown in some released documents that there was a WMD program present and active up to the 2003 invasion, people back track and say you
cant beleive all of the releases, arguing the US or Mossad must be behind that leaked info.
Anytime info pops up that counters the worn out arguments defending Assange, its discounted and moved aside.
Why? Because people are so fricking paranoid and have so much hatred for what they perceive as wrongs committed by the US that they want to beleive
someone else for the sole purpose its not coming from the US Government.
So yeah you have a few options.
* - If you want US leadership held accountible for their actions, the Assange should be held liable for his illegal actions.
* - If you dont want to see Assange charged and prosecuted, then you dont get to make the argument that the US should charged and prosecuted.