reply to post by Siddharta
You repsonse must be directed to someone elses comments because at no point in this thread have I said anything about justifying US action in Iraq or
Afghanistan. I have stated that leaks from wiki have shown the 2003 invasion of Iraq did reveal a WMD program that was still in effect, but even then
people want to debate the size of it and argue it was not a real progam - Which to me is splitting hairs but I digress.
My argument about MR. Assange is his motives are ulterior and are not geniuine in the manner he rpesents his argument. People claim he releases these
documents to stop a war, and to prevent innocent people from being killed. His actions say otherwise, and his comment backs up his attitude.
NYP - WikiLeaks Article / Interview with Mr. Asange
I have posted this posted this protion before, yet people want to ignore the implications, instead wanting the names of people who have been killed
because of the list.
The Taliban reportedly has targeted at least 100 Afghans identified in the documents as informants for the US-led counterinsurgency -- and may
already have claimed its first victim.
Marc Thiessen of the American Enterprise Institute reports that Taliban leaders gleefully announced they'd begun combing the documents -- which not
only named the informants, but in many cases also ID'd their villages, family members and the names of those on whom they'd been informing.
When Mr. Assange was confronted on this point, that his release of this information would place innocent people in danger, he disagrees. This is the
portion where it was suggested the release of these documents would lead to further killing:
But it may get worse: WikiLeaks says it will publish another 15,000 documents, with perhaps even more catastrophic consequences. That, the
Pentagon says, would "compound a mistake that has already put far too many lives at risk."
When pushed though, this is what Mr. Assange had to say about these people providing information to the NATO forces.
WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange snidely retorts that the Afghan people "should know" who among them has engaged in "genuinely traitorous
behavior" -- i.e., helping the US-led coalition.
So now Mr. Assange has moved from the argument of stopping a war to prevent more innocent people from being killed, to the position that any peson who
is Afghani, and provides information to NATO / US Forces, are traitors to their people. What does the Taliban / Al-Queida do to people they consider
These people are executed.
Mr. Assange makes the argument that what the US is doing is wrong, and innocent people are killed because of it. However, he is making the same
argument that any person who provides info to the US are just as guilty as us forces, and as such states they are traitors, and implies their death is
a solution to the problem in terms of ending the war.
General Patreus talked about Mr. Assange's point of view:
His clear goal: to undermine the US effort, even as Gen. David Petraeus tries to implement a counterinsurgency strategy.
Petraeus needs the help of the locals. But with Taliban death squads, guided by WikiLeaks documents, combing villages, why would they cooperate?
When Mr. Assange was asked about this, his true colors again came shining thought. From his own mouth:
Assange admits that he sought to sabotage Petraeus' plan "before it reaches implementation" and thus "end the war in Afghanistan."
Truth is, he's not really interested in "transparency" and "full disclosure," as he's claimed.
So while I believe our Government has taken actions that flies in the face of what we are supposed to be, its war. We are going up against people who
do not play by the same rules, who routinely target civilians for no other reason than they dont have a beard, are not islamic, who believes in more
than one idea.
I have no issues with people calling the Government out on those actions. What I have an issue with is people like Mr. Assange whose actions are
routed in an ulterior motive. Publicly they claim the moral high ground in an effort to make our actions look bad. In the end though, his actions are
just as bad, and his only goal was not to stop the war but to get even with the US because he simply hates what we do.
His actions to date, with the release of classified documents that have nothing to do with his assertations of "war crimes" , is nothing more, and I
agree with the article on this point, than open colaboration with the enemy. He is providing them with information that will result in death, and not
Mr. Assange is actively aiding the enemy under the guise of peace. Mr. Assange is a coward who has hijacked a cause for his own personal agenda that
has nothing to do with the plight of the people he claims to want to protect by stopping the US.
For him I don't know whats worse, being targeted by the US Government for releasing classified information, or being consideed a hero by the Taliban
for helping them kill innocent people.
SO yes - we will never agree on the actions of Mr. Assange, because he is not media, nor is he a whistle blower. He is not objective in his
investigations, and has stated numerous times that his own personal feelings and goals often trump the "story" he is trying to influence. He does not
care about the plight of the people in Iraq or Afghanistan, and has gone on record stating this.
Its one thing to take the US Government to task for its actions - You will not hear any objections from me on that issue. Its another thing to use
that as an excuse to conduct your own clandestine operation under the guise of stopping a war and prventing casualties.
He is a narcissit, a coward, a liar anda fraud and has no business being anywhere near something referred to as media. Fox News is more reliable than
this ass when it comes to reporting.
My personal opinion - I hope the US presses charges against this guy, along with Sweden. His fate when dealing with these 2 countries is a lot better
than those whose fate is decided by the Taliban or Al-Queida. The moment he releases the information concerning Russia, he will find that it would
have been a loit easier, and safer for him, to deal with the US and Sweden.
He has made his own bed.
As far as your accusations go against me, the eric cartment bs and what not, the comments about the more I write. To me, and to others, this does
nothing but show the level people are willing to go to by ignoring information present so it does not disrupt their view, or argument about this guyy
and his actions. Think what you want, ignore what you want to make your point and further your argumnet.
I find it funny you guys demand the information be released to expose the problem, while at the same time ignoring and disregarding information that
does not support your argument.
You defeat your own argument and view point while at the same time reducing yourself to the level of the US Government and its actions. How can you
make an argument knowing the basis is just as flimsy as those you are accusing?
You guys suffer from rectal-cranial inversion, which explains why you are so blind to what Mr. Assange's intentions are.
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