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The Left Right Paradigm is OVER... It's now You vs The Corporations

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posted on Nov, 10 2010 @ 09:59 AM
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Personally I find it to be ridiculous that I even have to start a thread like this here on ATS... A conspiracy website. But there are still enough members who are still... STILL buying into the Left-Right paradigm, believing that Democrats and Republicans are still two different entities that have different goals for the U.S. population.

Here's an article that will hopefully bring you back to reality... Believe me... 99% of the time, a vote on a Republican or a Democrat is a wasted vote...

Big corporations don’t care who is in power just as long as they get to call the shots.


The Left Right Paradigm is Over: Its You vs. Corporations



For a long time, American politics has been defined by a Left/Right dynamic. It was Liberals versus Conservatives on a variety of issues. Pro-Life versus Pro-Choice, Tax Cuts vs. More Spending, Pro-War vs Peaceniks, Environmental Protections vs. Economic Growth, Pro-Union vs. Union-Free, Gay Marriage vs. Family Values, School Choice vs. Public Schools, Regulation vs. Free Markets.

The new dynamic, however, has moved past the old Left Right paradigm. We now live in an era defined by increasing Corporate influence and authority over the individual. These two “interest groups” – I can barely suppress snorting derisively over that phrase – have been on a headlong collision course for decades, which came to a head with the financial collapse and bailouts. Where there is massive concentrations of wealth and influence, there will be abuse of power. The Individual has been supplanted in the political process nearly entirely by corporate money, legislative influence, campaign contributions, even free speech rights.



It goes on to put it more blatantly for people to understand:


For those of you who are stuck in the old Left/Right debate, you are missing the bigger picture. Consider this about the Bailouts: It was a right-winger who bailed out all of the big banks, Fannie Mae, and AIG in the first place; then his left winger successor continued to pour more money into the fire pit.

What difference did the Left/Right dynamic make? Almost none whatsoever.



Keynes vs Hayek? Friedman vs Krugman? Those are the wrong intellectual debates. Its you vs. Tony Hayward, BP CEO, You vs. Lloyd Blankfein, Goldman Sachs CEO. And you are losing . . .


His bottomline:

If you see the world in terms of Left & Right, you really aren’t seeing the world at all . . .



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posted on Nov, 10 2010 @ 10:11 AM
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And unfortunately, the People vs the Corporations is a VERY uneven 'fight', especially when the entire government is the property of those Corporations! The love of money is the root of all evil and the corporations AND the government are just chock-full of money lovers...

I think there are individuals who are on the conservative and liberal "sides" who hold views that ring true to their political ideology, but the government has long been a tool of the lobbyists and Corporations, easily selling off their ideals to the highest bidder.


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posted on Nov, 10 2010 @ 10:15 AM
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Been saying this for a few years now. The hubby has a huge bone to pick with the corps. And in turn, me. He works for a big one, and is getting hosed more and more yearly.
Remember bonuses? Gone. Raises? Practically gone. Christmas turkey in a box? Gone. (Couldn't spend even 3$ on their employees as a sign of good faith.) Company picnics, yearly free lunch, gone, gone, gone. Now it's: Do the work of 4 people, make your quotas by month end so you look good at corporate. Make sure we show a profit, got to pay dividends still! Here, take this new healthcare plan, it'll be good for you, but don't read the fine print, we'll give you a small bonus if you pick this one. Work long hours at salary, fight for every single thing you need to do your job, and worry every day if you don't work hard enough, you'll be let go.

Then spend several hours a day in traffic on overcrowded, crappy old roads, (where'd my tax dollars go?)

Bottom line, corporations are running the show, and still profiting, how do they do that?

Ok, I got off topic a bit, but the Left/Right paradigm is a facade!


edit on 10-11-2010 by SunnyDee because: sorry got off topic



posted on Nov, 10 2010 @ 10:25 AM
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I wish the left/right paradigm was over.


Right now America is more politically polarized than it ever has been



posted on Nov, 10 2010 @ 10:26 AM
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Very true. I have no doubt that corporations run our country, we are a consumer society. Almost everything we use or consume, is making someone somewhere a lot of money. It sucks, what can we as the people do to stop it? Go live in the woods? yeah, right, why should we have to do that? And to double stab us poor folks, the big corps who run our country give our jobs to OTHER countries.



posted on Nov, 10 2010 @ 11:14 AM
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*Snip*
edit on 10-11-2010 by TheBandit795 because: Oops... Mixed up two different threads... :-)



posted on Nov, 10 2010 @ 11:43 AM
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You are completely right. Corporations run the show. It's no longer we the people. It's we the corporations. Turns my stomach.



posted on Nov, 10 2010 @ 11:59 AM
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Your right but we still need to vote.... Even if we understand the left and right are just two faces in one, we still need to vote on who we think will be the better of the two evils. Even being woken up to the fact you can vote libertarian, or support SOMEBODY, someone is still making the laws and we need to have caution who is putting these laws into place... Just look at the war started with bush the dems backed him 100% i'm not dumb i see right through it I hope MOST people do. Still you need to figure out who you can vote for that holds your view points and values the best who you think can still do a little good.



posted on Nov, 10 2010 @ 01:26 PM
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Good post! Hopefully it will wake up a few more. The government it self is a for profit corporation itself listed on Dunn and Bradstreet. There is a definitely some idealogical differences between folks and the Corporation exploits that to keep the people distracted and it has worked wonders for decades as we see the arguments even here.

People can't put thier differences aside long enough to fight a common enemy. the solution is based on freedom if the Socialist would simply agree that all thier programs should be voluntary and not forced through government intervention then i have no problem with them and lets focus on solutions to getting rid of this corporate monstrosity. I'll respect your rights if you respect mine! I even started a thread to this effect to try and reconcile with these people but no one cared really. The Left vs Right Divide, How to Overcome it and Come Together?

Still there is so much misinformation out there and to many mindless media induced drones repeating the mantra they hear in the media over and over, there is no reasoning with them. Many of them benefit from the government taxing thievery and will defend it to the death in the name of helping others. They have been convinced it is ok to steal in the name of doing good. And look at how many people have bought the ridiculous lies about capitalism. It has been redefined and blamed for all our problems when it has nothing to do with our problems, we haven't had it for at least 30 years and more... I have explained this in detail here along with some others here only to have some drone repeat the same misinformation about it right back to us. it's like talking to a wall

I see no real solution to this delima as long as people refuse to see these things and respond to the media stimulation exploiting our differences and repeat those media mantras over and over while refusing to consider any other possibility...



posted on Nov, 10 2010 @ 03:16 PM
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The beautiful thing is. This battle could be easily won. Corporations require customers or clients. If your tired of how the bank treats you? Don't put your money in a bank. Don't like how a store treats its employees or consumers? Don't shop there. Don't particularily care for your city government? Stop being a patron to the city. Don't like the war overseas? Stop paying taxes. If You get enough people standing up for themselves and correcting a few small things, the larger ones will take care of themselves. Without revenue from its easily manipulated needless consumers, Corporations have no leg to stand on. These corp. are only as powerful as we allow them to be.

CIVIL Disobediance is the only way to go. And I emphasize civil for all you out there who think creating more chaos is a good thing.



posted on Nov, 10 2010 @ 03:37 PM
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I don't think it is a good idea to demonize all corporations. Many corporations are sound and are the ones producing jobs for most Americans. Let it be clear that it is small and medium sized corporations that employ the majority of Americans and not these mega corporate monsters that pull strings in D.C.

I believe if Americans are to focus their attention, it should not be entirely on corporations, but to the corporate conglomerate, the bureaucracy in D.C., the corruption within our legislative system and flawed platform in which our economy is currently running on and has been for the past several decades.

In proportion, the tax burdens (and all the legal fees that come with it) on small and medium range business make things difficult to sustain. If anyone has ever run a small business before, they know exactly what I'm talking about. And in effect can cause these smaller corporations to lay off workers because the tax burdens are not being met on time or at all.
The tax burdens imposed on the corporate conglomerate are much easier to bear due to their size and the fact that they have the resources to get around loopholes. And yet it was decided that these mega corporations (banks included) would be bailed out in 2008...let's not take into account that smaller businesses were being affected by the crisis also. They'll fail and be victims of capitalism, as it should be, right? But no...not for the mega corps...they don't have to follow the rules of capitalism.

Why? Because are not an entirely capitalistic society. We are also not an entirely democratic country.
The way in which I see the United States is going is in the direction of a Plutocracy.

edit on 10-11-2010 by laiguana because: (no reason given)



posted on Nov, 10 2010 @ 03:40 PM
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You start off by saying you know it's just a facade, and then degenerate into the "socialist" rant. That shows you do not get the picture.

What is being said is we can have a 100% Conservative government and we'll still have socialist things happening, while we can have a 100% Liberal government and have things Conservatives would want.

There are no socialist and capitalists which matter anymore, it's all corporation. When more people like you get this in their heads we can begin somewhere.



posted on Nov, 10 2010 @ 03:42 PM
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I agree with you but I think that the Democrat and Republican politicians believe this Left vs Right divide as well. It may be true that the corporations dont care who is in charge but I dont think that the people in office are conspiring together.

Individually or by party they may have this secret back room talk but I absolutely believe that the Republicans and Democrats are absolutely buying into this idea that each has something separate to sell, when its really a similar product with a different wrapper.

There are a few things that most normal people can agree on: Campaign finance reform and removing corporate lobbyists from the govt.

These are two things that I think most people can agree on and would be the two largest positive changes that could be done to better our govt and this country.

Nothing in this country will change or get better until we remove all the money from elections and out of the hands of elected officials. Greed will corrupt any system of govt.



posted on Nov, 10 2010 @ 03:45 PM
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OP...

I like your message and would like to subscribe to your newsletter.

It's worse than just money issues. It's our lives.

It was G.H.W. Bush sr. who had Waco TX surrounded days before Clinton took office.
It was Clinton who sent them in. An I-crat, an I-can, what's the difference?







David Grouchy
edit on 10-11-2010 by davidgrouchy because: (no reason given)



posted on Nov, 10 2010 @ 03:49 PM
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Left-Right paradigm started in Genesis 3 verse 22 by some of these folks









It will never end until all of us permanently end to never return again.

Good news....your unbelief assures this.



posted on Nov, 10 2010 @ 04:23 PM
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Originally posted by BobbinHood
I wish the left/right paradigm was over.


Right now America is more politically polarized than it ever has been


Divide et impera. Divide and conquer.

There could not be a better example of it.

Kharron



posted on Nov, 10 2010 @ 04:26 PM
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Oh thank God! I've been preaching this on ATS for some time! Amazing Post! I've been dumbfounded that people on ATS can still have been so damned ignorant that these left vs right sniping threads are still so common!

People need to wake up! Indeed the "elite" plutocracy controls the politicians from ALL the parties. That means whether a democrat, republican, or even a tea partier is in office, they are all owned by the rich corporate elite.

Left vs right is so much brainwashing at work. I hope threads like this will bring an end to the really, really ignorant partisan sniping. S&F!
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posted on Nov, 10 2010 @ 04:51 PM
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Great post! S&F Next time I see the left/right put downs on here I am just going to just reply with a link to this post.



posted on Nov, 10 2010 @ 04:52 PM
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True true Bandit (have you seen Smokey anywhere?)

Not only are the corps in charge, but how many of them are run by psychopaths? Too many, imo!
This is not news to many but for those who have not watched The Corporation, it's a must in my book.

The Corporation
www.hulu.com...

Thanks for the analogy and perspective -
Peace,
spec



posted on Nov, 10 2010 @ 05:02 PM
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Actually, it was a right winger who proposed the bailouts, and was widely rejected by his own party, and had to get massive support from the left wing to be able push it through.

However, this is all symantecs. With the ruling last year that corporations can make unlimited campaign contributions, every politician out there should wear a NASCAR style suit showing who their sponsors are.

Obama could wear an Acorn logo on his breast pocket, and a HUGE GoldmanSachs logo on his back, with a snazzy pair of SEIU logo'd pants.

It's now time that since corporations can sponsor whomever they like with unlimited funding, that politicians should come clean with who gives them their money.



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