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Originally posted by GrinchNoMore
reply to post by hawkiye
Umm, no that has NOT been thoroughly debunked, and continues to unravel as we go along.
The original bloodlines of "Israel" are quite hidden, and will be for a little longer.
Originally posted by CanadianDream420
Do you mean under gov't/military control?...
Syria and Saudi Arabia attacked US but it wasn't exclusively directed and funded by their gov'ts
Originally posted by hawkiye
Originally posted by GrinchNoMore
reply to post by hawkiye
Umm, no that has NOT been thoroughly debunked, and continues to unravel as we go along.
The original bloodlines of "Israel" are quite hidden, and will be for a little longer.
So DNA proof is not a debunking huh? LOL! Really statements like these with no evidence or substance just an irrational stated belief are a joke...
Originally posted by Humanity4Ever
I am a Sepahardic Jew and despite the OP's efforts to spread hatred against Israel (as if that was required around here) I can assure those of you who are willing to listen that in actual fact, Israel's population is predominantly Sephardic. Yes, the Ashkenazi bloodlines are not traced back to the original tribes of Israel but that has little relevance to the modern day conspiracies of the elite which include corrupt people of all "faiths" by the way.
I am curious. How does the slaughter of 6 million jews in the holocaust figure into the grand scheme of things? I mean, the evil jews that have secretly controlled the world would have looked out for their own during WW II wouldn't they? I suppose allowing HALF of the world's jewish population to perish was all part of the plan...
This thread is an example of how the actions of a few corrupt individuals within any race can lead to widespread hatred against an entire people based on false propaganda. Most of the antisemites around the world today are taught to despise jews (not just Isreali foreign policy) and have no idea why, they are just raised that way. After a while the snowball effect is irreversible.
I thank God that I live in Canada, the most tolerant, ethnically diverse country in the world today. I am a proud, traditional, Sephardic Jew that grew up in a multicultural neighborhood with some of my closest friends being of Jewish, Christian, Hindu, and Muslim descent. I believe this is the type of environment that every civilized country should try to cultivate among it's people.
The corruption that exists today is primarily a result of elite agendas which are based on the financial greed of families of various factions and cultural backgrounds.edit on 9-11-2010 by Humanity4Ever because: (no reason given)edit on 9-11-2010 by Humanity4Ever because: (no reason given)edit on 9-11-2010 by Humanity4Ever because: (no reason given)edit on 9-11-2010 by Humanity4Ever because: (no reason given)edit on 9-11-2010 by Humanity4Ever because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by digginapony
Originally posted by hawkiye
Originally posted by GrinchNoMore
reply to post by hawkiye
Umm, no that has NOT been thoroughly debunked, and continues to unravel as we go along.
The original bloodlines of "Israel" are quite hidden, and will be for a little longer.
So DNA proof is not a debunking huh? LOL! Really statements like these with no evidence or substance just an irrational stated belief are a joke...
Let us get into the facts with sources, shall we? You come on here making definitive statements to make what has been investigated and researched look like it is debatable and highly suspect. Let us provide some sources and let everyone look closer. The truth is there.
edit on 9-11-2010 by digginapony because: spelling
Originally posted by hawkiye
Originally posted by digginapony
Originally posted by hawkiye
Originally posted by GrinchNoMore
reply to post by hawkiye
Umm, no that has NOT been thoroughly debunked, and continues to unravel as we go along.
The original bloodlines of "Israel" are quite hidden, and will be for a little longer.
So DNA proof is not a debunking huh? LOL! Really statements like these with no evidence or substance just an irrational stated belief are a joke...
Let us get into the facts with sources, shall we? You come on here making definitive statements to make what has been investigated and researched look like it is debatable and highly suspect. Let us provide some sources and let everyone look closer. The truth is there.
edit on 9-11-2010 by digginapony because: spelling
I posted a link to the thread that debunks this it was not just a stated belief with a bunch if links to websites with more stated beliefs with no evidence as you have done. So perhaps you could debunk the DNA proof slick...
And then you resort to trying to call me a zionest but you racist always try to label people to promote you BS. Your types make claims you are no racist yet it is Jew this and Jew that blah blah blah. What of the millions of people of Jewish heritage who are good people just trying to live thier lives the best they can and want to be left alone like everyone else? This type of veiled racism in the name of valid discussion is just ignorant hatred and should not be tolerated by reasonable thinking people! It is akin to calling all southerners inbreds. or all Germans Nazis, or all Humans serial killers because a few are Sigh
To all I hope all thinking people will stop responding to these trolls and let these threads die the deaths they so richly deserve. I try not to respond to these threads but these idiots subtly promote their racism and some are taken in which is why I posted the links to the other thread debunking this BS.
These people want to think they are special over some other group of people by making these claims when is humanity going to realize we are all one big family and no one is more special or less special then anyone else because of their lineage. We have all been born into many different lineages in past lives. Get over yourselves and start sticking up for the family the human family and quit this BS that divides us!!!edit on 9-11-2010 by hawkiye because: (no reason given)
Early Khazar theories The theory that all or most Ashkenazi ("German") Jews might be descended from Khazars (rather than Semitic groups in the Middle East) dates back to the racial studies of late 19th century Europe, and was frequently cited to assert that most modern Jews are not descended from Israelites and/or to refute Israeli claims to Palestine. It was first publicly proposed in lecture given by the racial-theorist Ernest Renan on January 27, 1883, titled "Judaism as a Race and as Religion."[39] It was repeated in articles in The Dearborn Independent in 1923 and 1925, and popularized by racial theorist Lothrop Stoddard in a 1926 article in the Forum titled "The Pedigree of Judah", where he argued that Ashkenazi Jews were a mix of people, of which the Khazars were a primary element.[21][40] Stoddard's views were "based on nineteenth and twentieth-century concepts of race, in which small variations on facial features as well as presumed accompanying character traits were deemed to pass from generation to generation, subject only to the corrupting effects of marriage with members of other groups, the result of which would lower the superior stock without raising the inferior partners."[41] This theory was adopted by British Israelites, who saw it as a means of invalidating the claims of Jews (rather than themselves) to be the true descendants of the ancient Israelites, and was supported by early anti-Zionists.[21][40]
Though the Khazar theory has little to none support within academy, in the Arab world it still enjoys popularity among anti-Zionists[26] and antisemites;[47] Such proponents argue that if Ashkenazi Jews are primarily Khazar and not Semitic in origin, they would have no historical claim to Israel, nor would they be the subject of God's Biblical promise of Canaan to the Israelites, thus undermining the theological basis of both Jewish religious Zionists and Christian Zionists. In the 1970s and 80s the Khazar theory was also advanced by some Russian chauvinist antisemites, particularly the historian Lev Gumilyov, who portrayed "Judeo-Khazars" as having repeatedly sabotaged Russia's development since the 7th century.[48] Bernard Lewis stated in 1999: This theory… is supported by no evidence whatsoever. It has long since been abandoned by all serious scholars in the field, including those in Arab countries, where the Khazar theory is little used except in occasional political polemics.[26]
A 1999 study by Hammer et al., published in the Proceedings of the United States National Academy of Sciences compared the Y chromosomes of Ashkenazi, Roman, North African, Kurdish, Near Eastern, Yemenite, and Ethiopian Jews with 16 non-Jewish groups from similar geographic locations. It found that "Despite their long-term residence in different countries and isolation from one another, most Jewish populations were not significantly different from one another at the genetic level... The results support the hypothesis that the paternal gene pools of Jewish communities from Europe, North Africa, and the Middle East descended from a common Middle Eastern ancestral population, and suggest that most Jewish communities have remained relatively isolated from neighboring non-Jewish communities during and after the Diaspora."[54] According to Nicholas Wade "The results accord with Jewish history and tradition and refute theories like those holding that Jewish communities consist mostly of converts from other faiths, or that they are descended from the Khazars, a medieval Turkish tribe that adopted Judaism."[55]
A 2005 study by Nebel et al., based on Y chromosome polymorphic markers, showed that Ashkenazi Jews are more closely related to other Jewish and Middle Eastern groups than to their local neighbouring populations in Europe. However, 11.5% of male Ashkenazim were found to belong to Haplogroup R1a1 (R-M17), the dominant Y chromosome haplogroup in Eastern Europeans, suggesting possible gene flow between the two groups. The authors hypothesized that "R-M17 chromosomes in Ashkenazim may represent vestiges of the mysterious Khazars". They concluded "However, if the R-M17 chromosomes in Ashkenazi Jews do indeed represent the vestiges of the mysterious Khazars then, according to our data, this contribution was limited to either a single founder or a few closely related men, and does not exceed ~ 12% of the present-day Ashkenazim.[58]
Originally posted by Humanity4Ever
I am a Sepahardic Jew and despite the OP's efforts to spread hatred against Israel (as if that was required around here) I can assure those of you who are willing to listen that in actual fact, Israel's population is predominantly Sephardic. Yes, the Ashkenazi bloodlines are not traced back to the original tribes of Israel but that has little relevance to the modern day conspiracies of the elite which include corrupt people of all "faiths" by the way.
I am curious. How does the slaughter of 6 million jews in the holocaust figure into the grand scheme of things? I mean, the evil jews that have secretly controlled the world would have looked out for their own during WW II wouldn't they? I suppose allowing HALF of the world's jewish population to perish was all part of the plan...
This thread is an example of how the actions of a few corrupt individuals within any race can lead to widespread hatred against an entire people based on false propaganda. Most of the antisemites around the world today are taught to despise jews (not just Israeli foreign policy) and have no idea why, they are just raised that way. After a while the snowball effect is irreversible.
I thank God that I live in Canada, the most tolerant, ethnically diverse country in the world today. I am a proud, traditional, Sephardic Jew that grew up in a multicultural neighborhood with some of my closest friends being of Jewish, Christian, Hindu, and Muslim descent. I believe this is the type of environment that every civilized country should try to cultivate among it's people.
The corruption that exists today is primarily a result of elite agendas which are based on the financial greed of families of various factions and cultural backgrounds.edit on 9-11-2010 by Humanity4Ever because: (no reason given)edit on 9-11-2010 by Humanity4Ever because: (no reason given)edit on 9-11-2010 by Humanity4Ever because: (no reason given)edit on 9-11-2010 by Humanity4Ever because: (no reason given)edit on 9-11-2010 by Humanity4Ever because: (no reason given)edit on 9-11-2010 by Humanity4Ever because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by sisgood
reply to post by wcitizen
For years I wonder how the German people were ever deceived by Hitler. For years I wondered what lies were told that would make the concentration camps and the killing of millions justifiable by a nation.
Now I know.
Rhetoric like this thread.
Thank you for posting a "thread" on a forum as evidence, however. Please post sources not from forums that debate the origins of the ashkenazi Jews.