Capitalism=Imperialism

Originally posted by abecedarian

Originally posted by Mental Maze
Socialism forces you to work because with it comes no other form of income.No welfare,no credit fraud,no social security for drug addicts and people who fear society,tell me do you honestly think that this pipe dream we call capitalism is better than the socialist economy??I mean i understand how you would oppose this if you hold shares in american companies because with socialism most shares would become state owned,but healthcare,schooling and taxes would be paid for with that money.

I prefer capitalism because it implicitly allows me to innovate and create new ideas that can allow me to prosper above others..

Really?

Where have you experience this 'capitalism' you speak of?

Listen im an american so #!ng relax, i understand that those of us who are doing fine economically can give a rats ass about other americans who struggle and suffer,im not like that and according to what ive learned through economic science and political science classes is that adopting some socialist values to our economy would create thousands of jobs and help better control our deficits and debts,i know it will never happen because most people only follow the dollar and have already swallowed their humanity.. ..

Originally posted by justadood

Originally posted by abecedarianI prefer capitalism because it implicitly allows me to innovate and create new ideas that can allow me to prosper above others..

Really?

Where have you experience this 'capitalism' you speak of?

I work on cell sites. I often have to improvise tools and such to accomodate my work. I reap the benefits resultant from my improvisations in the form of being able to do more in less time thus I earn more money.

Socialism would require me to share my rewards with others lacking the initiative to improvise, lowering my benefits of doing so, and consequently lowering the initiative to improvise.

Originally posted by Mental Maze
Listen im an american so #!ng relax, i understand that those of us who are doing fine economically can give a rats ass about other americans who struggle and suffer,im not like that and according to what ive learned through economic science and political science classes is that adopting some socialist values to our economy would create thousands of jobs and help better control our deficits and debts,i know it will never happen because most people only follow the dollar and have already swallowed their humanity.. ..

Well, if you're doing well, why not donate to local programs that help your fellow Americans?
People with a modicum of empathy call that "charity".

Requiring people to donate to those unfortunate few, or the unwilling masses, to the point where those who are not required to do so much as lift a finger to get by, is not indicative of a free society.

Its so easy for people to speak of the u.s and its methods as perfect or near perfect,because you dont deal with the consequences, i mean besides tax hikes,but if the chinese government came knocking at your door to collect you'd be speaking in a very different tongue.

Originally posted by Mental Maze
Its so easy for people to speak of the u.s and its methods as perfect or near perfect,because you dont deal with the consequences, i mean besides tax hikes,but if the chinese government came knocking at your door to collect you'd be speaking in a very different tongue.

Umm... so now you're likening the Chinese government (socialist, right?) to what now?

Originally posted by abecedarian

Originally posted by justadood

Originally posted by abecedarianI prefer capitalism because it implicitly allows me to innovate and create new ideas that can allow me to prosper above others..

Really?

Where have you experience this 'capitalism' you speak of?

I work on cell sites. I often have to improvise tools and such to accomodate my work. I reap the benefits resultant from my improvisations in the form of being able to do more in less time thus I earn more money.

That doesn't answer the question. Where is this magical place where you experience capitalism? ITts not in the USA, the US isn't a capitalist economy.

Socialism would require me to share my rewards with others lacking the initiative to improvise, lowering my benefits of doing so, and consequently lowering the initiative to improvise.

edit on 10/17/2010 by abecedarian because: cause I want.

I have said nothing about Socialism. Not sure your point. I'm not defending Socialism. I'm questioning the existence of 'capitalism'.

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I do donate,but one person wont make a difference,but a couple hundred million will.

Originally posted by Mental Maze
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I do donate,but one person wont make a difference,but a couple hundred million will.

Okay.. a "couple hundred million" is 2/3 of the population of the US, children included.
Care to be more realistic?

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I'm saying that you dont pay for the governments spending so you can care less but if it was you and not the government/military who had to answer to china every time they came to collect whats owed to them you wouldn't speak so easily.

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So unless we are Socialist or Lean-Socialist we are wealthy? Let me tell you something, I have spent my whole life in poverty, how does growing up in a family of 4 on $10,000 a year for a few years sound? That's called life. I've lived it and I learned from it, I plan on creating a security net for myself by living below my standards, as I would recommend for everyone. We were a family that was on and off welfare several times and I can honestly vouch that my father did nothing to find a job while my mother struggled to get off UI.

I know that not everyone on welfare is bad and some people really need help, but we should return to a moral society where we feel compelled to help our fellow citizens rather than be forced to live in poverty just like them. Socialism doesn't create a Middle Class, it creates a Equality of poverty where everyone can share in the misery. I want to do things with my life, I already submitted a patent to the US Patent Office and I am writing poetry while doing online college because I want a good future.

We are not, cannot and should not all be equal. Socialism fails to recognize that everyone without a disability can make it if they try. Let me tell you, poverty is one hell of a motivator to work your ass off for a better future.

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It doesnt get more realistic,thats the beauty.With shares and companies state owned every tax penny pays for your healthcare and others as well,also creates jobs cutting overpaying salaries,nobody will become super rich,but we'll all be happy..

Originally posted by justadood

Originally posted by abecedarian

Originally posted by justadood

Originally posted by abecedarianI prefer capitalism because it implicitly allows me to innovate and create new ideas that can allow me to prosper above others..

Really?

Where have you experience this 'capitalism' you speak of?

I work on cell sites. I often have to improvise tools and such to accomodate my work. I reap the benefits resultant from my improvisations in the form of being able to do more in less time thus I earn more money.

That doesn't answer the question. Where is this magical place where you experience capitalism? ITts not in the USA, the US isn't a capitalist economy.

Socialism would require me to share my rewards with others lacking the initiative to improvise, lowering my benefits of doing so, and consequently lowering the initiative to improvise.

edit on 10/17/2010 by abecedarian because: cause I want.

I have said nothing about Socialism. Not sure your point. I'm not defending Socialism. I'm questioning the existence of 'capitalism'.

edit on 17-10-2010 by justadood because: (no reason given)

Okay....

I'm one of many people that are capable of doing my job. I get called to do the job because I can do it, but that's not the only reason: I can do the job more efficiently than many others who are generally as well qualified as I. However I can do the job quicker than most others because of tools and techniques I use. I've built the better mouse-trap, so to speak. Mind you though that I'm not willing to share it with anyone thus no patents or such. Should someone else come up with it, they're free to run with it. Mind you though, I'm prepared to present and cite previous art should I ever be challenged.
I get paid more than many because I'm more efficient and accurate at what I do.
Such is the nature of Capitalism, no?

Originally posted by Mental Maze
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It doesnt get more realistic,thats the beauty.With shares and companies state owned every tax penny pays for your healthcare and others as well,also creates jobs cutting overpaying salaries,nobody will become super rich,but we'll all be happy..

Shares? I don't own any. Nope, not one... not invested in the corrupt stock market at all.
Healthcare? I pay every penny. Capitalism has allowed me to do so.


You were saying?

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I too know poverty,im one of 9 children,both of my parents were illegal immigrants,im 21 now and theyve both been gone for 11 years now..Im going to school not for myself but to make change for others..Poverty here is no better no worse than anywhere else in the world but the united states corrupt scumbags make it more unbearable.Its going to change like it or not.

Originally posted by abecedarian


Okay....

I'm one of many people that are capable of doing my job. I get called to do the job because I can do it, but that's not the only reason: I can do the job more efficiently than many others who are generally as well qualified as I. However I can do the job quicker than most others because of tools and techniques I use. I've built the better mouse-trap, so to speak. Mind you though that I'm not willing to share it with anyone thus no patents or such. Should someone else come up with it, they're free to run with it. Mind you though, I'm prepared to present and cite previous art should I ever be challenged.

I get paid more than many because I'm more efficient and accurate at what I do.
Such is the nature of Capitalism, no?

I'm not questioning your work ethic or skills. I'm sure your as able as you claim. Even more so, if you're truly humble.

What I've pointed out already is that if you live in the US, then you aren't experiencing this 'capitalism' you claim you are experiencing. The United States is not a capitalist economy. Sure, you experience aspects of capitalism, but you really aren't there.

Can I be any clearer?

I'm not talking about socialism.

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It will change over my dead body, I won't willingly give into such a tyrannical and destructive farce as Socialism. What I earn should be for me, if I don't earn anything then I don't deserve anything, that is the way Capitalism works. You get back the value of what you put out, if you are a janitor you won't earn much because any idiot could be a janitor, a CEO makes millions because only a few people can do that job. While I recognize the fact that they are collecting welfare and have taken over our country, it is not right for us to take what they rightfully earned or make everyone financially equal.

There is nothing more simple, fair or productive than Capitalism.

If you would have posted this thread a few months ago I would have been on here cheering for you, but that was because I didn’t understand.

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You still don't understand..Its ok though,over your dead body it shall be..

Originally posted by Mental Maze
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You still don't understand..Its ok though,over your dead body it shall be..

That could be interpreted as a threat?
Is it?

lol just a joke,im sure you wouldnt die for something so simple would you?