It's about damn time someone in charge is coming to this conclusion. Multiculturalisim is poison and destructive to the host nation. I for one am filled with hope that Germany may once again be for Germans. Are you paying attention England?

Originally posted by centurion1211
Multi-culturalism IS a failure in the U.S. as well.

Multi-ethnicity is a good thing. helping build a country with new blood.

Multi-culturalism tears a country apart when immigrants won't assimilate.

Not only the lack of a desire to assimilate but requiring the new host country to follow and obey their old countries laws.

Originally posted by The Revenant
What is happening to us in Europe? Have we forgotten the lessons of the past? Millions of us died, from all corners of the globe, so that the lessons learnt from the collapse of fascism could be indellibly printed upon our minds for all time.

Reducing it to fascism is blinkered. It's about culture and economics.

All cultures will feel threatened by a large body of immigrant foreigners. It's not fascism, it's natural. Germany has 2.5 million Turkish immigrants alone. That's about 3% of the population, and doubtless they are concentrated geographically. That's going to cause friction, particularly in an economic down-turn.

In the current down-turn, you can expect to see anti-immigrant opinion grow because of the shortage of profitable work. Mass economic immigration leads to a lowering of salaries in semi-skilled professions. It's simple supply and demand. Immigration is bad for poor people.

We cannot allow the Jewish question to become the Islamic question - let alone the Islamic Solution.

Are you referring to the Nazi Final Jewish Solution? There is a law that states that comparing anything to Nazism immediately reduces your argument to the absurd...

Islam should be welcome wherever and whenever. It should be allowed to co-exist and cohabit in any given free and democratic society. Anything less is unjust, and fascist.

Why? I think most people would agree that in Islamic cultures, women have a very different role and status to women in the West. They are less free to make choices under Islamic cultures. I don't consider that progress.

I'm sure that Angela Merkel is just voicing the opinion that many normal Germans / Europeans / non-Muslim western citizens are thinking. But to do so reveals a shadow - a shadow that we thought had died in a bunker long ago. Can this debate be completed without the shadow coalescing into something more? Or are we condemned to reliving the lives of our ancestors, relearning their lessons - at the cost of blood, progress and humanity?

Are you getting Jungian? This 'shadow' of which you speak did not die in any bunker. It's not fascism, it's just tribe / nation self-interest. You'll see it in the school-yard. Right or wrong, it's a cultural survival mechanism. To equate it with fascism is, as I said, blinkered. Equate it rather with the reality of living in an world imperfect by nature and the nature of humans.

It's a big subject. Immigration of non-westerners into western countries does seem to be coming to a head. Personally I think there has been too much of it. It appears to have been encouraged by Western governments who wish to improve business efficiency / reduce wages. It is fundamentally an economic phenomena, and always has been.

Originally posted by SLAYER69

Originally posted by centurion1211
Multi-culturalism IS a failure in the U.S. as well.

Multi-ethnicity is a good thing. helping build a country with new blood.

Multi-culturalism tears a country apart when immigrants won't assimilate.

Not only the lack of a desire to assimilate but requiring the new host country to follow and obey their old countries laws.

Assimilate huh? Kinda reminds me of the Borg in Star Trek. No seriously, there is nothing
wrong with people keeping their cultural heritage, why is that so difficult for some people to
understand? There is nothing wrong with having a little pride in ones family tree, it is part of
what made this Country great. I think that arrogance is a thing that appears once people forget
where they came from, seeing that The United States of America was built by the poor, outcast
and undesireables of other countries we are in no position to be knocking legal immigrants.

Originally posted by Mr. D
seeing that The United States of America was built by the poor, outcast
and undesireables of other countries we are in no position to be knocking legal immigrants.

That's exactly why I can say what I have. The US has seen both sides of this issue and we are seeing more and more of the negative aspects compared to previous waves of various immigrant nationalities/cultures which freely chose to be acclimated and or assimilated as an "American" speaking of which, the national language is "English" Not Spanish, Cantonese, Laotian or Farsey. etc etc etc.

Simply because an immigrant adopts the host countries culture doesn't mean they need to lose their heritage or traditions. Nor does it mean they can force upon others their former country's laws and traditions simply because they refuse and or are too lazy to adapt.

Originally posted by Mr. D

Originally posted by SLAYER69

Originally posted by centurion1211
Multi-culturalism IS a failure in the U.S. as well.

Multi-ethnicity is a good thing. helping build a country with new blood.

Multi-culturalism tears a country apart when immigrants won't assimilate.

No seriously, there is nothing
wrong with people keeping their cultural heritage, why is that so difficult for some people to
understand?

Nothing wrong with that, of course.

But multi-culturalism means they NEVER give up ANY of their cultural heritage to try and bcome part of their new home.

What's difficult to understand is if they love it so much, why are they not still there?

Anyway, glad the Germans have finally figured it out. Hope the rest of the civilized world is not far behind.

edit on 10/16/2010 by centurion1211 because: (no reason given)

The comments in the article remind me of what is said about Hispanic immigrants in the USA. I think the problem has less to do with religion specifically and more to do with the current era of immigrants refusing to change their ways to accommodate their new countries and instead expecting everything to be changed to accommodate their needs. And to me that all just fits in with the entitlement generation and "me first" attitude that seems to have sneaked in uniformly into every member of every classification you can think of.

Where I live a lot of the Hispanic immigrants are starting to make learning English a priority because they see it as a key to moving up socially and economically. We have so much demand for English teachers now that there is a huge waiting list of students for the few teachers available. And we are seeing once you break down this language barrier things start falling into place. Somehow all countries must get the message across that all immigrants must at least try to learn the language of their host country. Verbal communication is the first step toward breaking down other cultural barriers. I see this also as a child of an immigrant for whom English is not the first language. It is also basic common sense.

I forgot to add we have a good number of Muslims but so far they have not posed any significant assimilation problems. Most had some level of education in their native countries and had somehow obtained proficiency in English prior to becoming US citizens. Their religion remains a personal matter that poses challenges only in limited spheres.

Originally posted by SLAYER69

Not only the lack of a desire to assimilate but requiring the new host country to follow and obey their old countries laws.

Well said is an understatement. Star to you.

If legal immigrants think so much of their country they left, why'd they leave? It can't be because of persecution if they want their host countries, like you said, to obey the laws of where they came from.

I'm about so tired of politcal correctness, I think I'll go thr....Blaaaaaaah!

Originally posted by SheeplFlavoredAgain
The comments in the article remind me of what is said about Hispanic immigrants in the USA. I think the problem has less to do with religion specifically and more to do with the current era of immigrants refusing to change their ways to accommodate their new countries and instead expecting everything to be changed to accommodate their needs. And to me that all just fits in with the entitlement generation and "me first" attitude that seems to have sneaked in uniformly into every member of every classification you can think of.

Where I live a lot of the Hispanic immigrants are starting to make learning English a priority because they see it as a key to moving up socially and economically. We have so much demand for English teachers now that there is a huge waiting list of students for the few teachers available. And we are seeing once you break down this language barrier things start falling into place. Somehow all countries must get the message across that all immigrants must at least try to learn the language of their host country. Verbal communication is the first step toward breaking down other cultural barriers. I see this also as a child of an immigrant for whom English is not the first language. It is also basic common sense.

I agree completely....Assimilating into the culture of the country someone emigrates to is extremely important. It is not only the respectful thing to do but the right thing to do.

She's right. Not right in her morality, but right in the fact that it hasn't worked...

It hasn't worked anywhere, EVER...

It hasn't worked in the west, it hasn't worked in the east, or the middle east.

Integration is a hard pill to force on an unwilling patient.

It isn't the right frame of mind, and can be quite dangerous allowed to escalate.

As much as we may not want to accept it, Racism seems to an almost untouchable and natural part of the human psychi.

It has to be taught, persuaded, and FORCED (in some instances) out of the mindset....

All the way back to the Anglo vs. the Neanderthal..

What its been Its been since men...and its very strange...


hmmm.....