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Originally posted by Wide-Eyes
Originally posted by Harte
Originally posted by Wide-Eyes
The one that always gets me going is the 'Baptism of Christ'.
If that ain't a flying saucer, I don't know what is!
Apparently, then, you don't know what is.
Nor are you willing to try to find out - even though the relevant material exists right here at ATS:
Cicada's post on "The Baptism of Jesus" by Aert DeGelder
Well no disrespect to Cicada, but I disagree with him. This may come as a shock to you Harte but what Cicada said in that thread is not actual fact.
Originally posted by CHA0S
reply to post by aew14
So I assume you've asked some all knowing historians about most of these pictures then? Not legit you say? Ooo...yeah, it's CGI dude...move along.
honestly, this is not even an issue of debunking. Most of this is not legit. Ask any art historian, who's profession it is to study this, and they will tell you how foolish most of it is.
Perhaps you care to debunk with facts, rather than a bias two liner?edit on 10/10/10 by CHA0S because: (no reason given)
Like I said in my previous post. Ancient Egyptians painted and sculpted Anubis. So you really think there were hybrid canine people walking around back then?
For the big cat expert nicknamed Lion Man, see Craig Busch. For the New Zealand television documentary series called Lion Man, see The Lion Man. Löwenfrau - a lion-headed figurine found in Germany and dating to the Upper Paleolithic A lion headed figure, first called the lion man (German: Löwenmensch, literally "lion person"), then the lion lady (German: Löwenfrau), is an ivory sculpture that is the oldest known zoomorphic (animal-shaped) sculpture in the world and one of the oldest known sculptures in general. The sculpture has also been interpreted as anthropomorphic, giving human characteristics to an animal, although it may have represented a deity. The figurine was determined to be about 32,000 years old by carbon dating material from the same layer in which the sculpture was found. It is associated with the archaeological Aurignacian culture.  History
As has been pointed out, the religious art of the middle ages is rife with specific symbolism. Without an understanding of that symbolism it is easy to make guesses about what is depicted but it's easy for those guesses to be wrong. Something that puzzles me about the UFO interpretations in this art is that these are artistic renderings of biblical events. Where in the stories which inspired the art are the UFOs?
For me, the Inca objects bear a stylized resemblance to the family of fish, rhinobatidae, more than any aircraft I've ever seen. The arrangement of the empennage does not really make sense from an aerodynamic standpoint, with the horizontal stabilizer positioned so far forward of the vertical. Yes, it can be made to fly, but so can a lawn mower.
Interpreting very ancient drawings becomes problematic. Placing the mystical representations by ancient man into the context of reality is a reach but even so, there is no reason to call upon an extraterrestrial interpretation. Shamans, kings, and warriors often (usually) bear distinctive headgear in order to distinguish themselves from others. The Hawaiians for example had some unique designs which some might say look alien.
Originally posted by ByteChanger
Really enjoyed the images.
The one lizard type figurine with thick legs and a gadget going to his mouth really impressed me.
edit on 13-10-2010 by ByteChanger because: removed previous off topic post.
"The above image is of an actual sighting that occurred in Nuremburg on the 14th April 1561. It appeared in a local broadsheet and was a woodcut by Hans Glasser. The globes, crosses and tubes began to fight one another, and this went on for an hour. Then they all fell to earth, as if on fire, and faded slowly away producing a lot of steam. Afterwards a black spear-like object was seen, and the whole event was taken to be a divine warning. Held at the Wickiana Collection, Zurich Central Library."
I think some people, no matter how obvious it may be, will demand conclusive proof. We can't just say, "Oh, they do fly beautifully, but we've never actually tested that theory.", because people simply wont believe that, and use it as an attack point instead.
big thanks to the geniuses behind that experiment - where would the world be without people that can prove the obvious?
Why do you have to get all personal and attack people like that? Your first few posts were really insightful and quite open minded, why this sudden change in attitude? If anything, the ones who can't handle the slightest possibility that they are wrong are the "scholars", I see no need to get all worked up and throw out personal criticisms, as those who claim to be "rational" so often do. A lot of scholars, scientists, historians, archeologist etc lack the ability to think outside the box on certain issues because they possess a conditioned mainstream view of a topic. Instead of listening to what the evidence is telling them, they accept only that which validates mainstream ideas and preconceptions, whilst ignoring anything they can't properly explain.
On a side note: I think most people more than wanting to believe that it is from extraterrestrial origin, they dont want proof (even if there was) that it was not so they can continue with their fantasies about ancient aliens. I can see people actually taking it almost personally where theres the slightest possibility that those artifacts can be man made... of course ppl should have their head up their a$$es but hey, dont need to fly that high either.