reply to post by adjensen
You cannot in any way even understand the argument I am presenting.
Everything you say originates in the 'fallen' consciousness: the consciousness of the "self" and the 'thinker'; that is, the "beast of the sea" and
the "beast of the earth".
It makes no difference if you have 'thought' about it for 10 seconds or for 10 YEARS. It is all the thoughts of the 'thinker'.
The consciousness of the 'thinker' originates in the desire for pleasure and the fear of death; so the thoughts of the 'thinker' are intended for
pleasure rather than Truth. This is what theology is: nothing more than a series of thoughts
about Revelations which are pleasurable to the
You find something pleasurable, and that you call the 'Truth'.
And, when someone contradicts you, that is unpleasurable, so you accuse them of lying.
Knowledge or "Gnosis" originates in another dimension of consciousness altogether: the consciousness Created by and in the image of God.
Your statements about the Vision are precisely the same as the arguments used by the Jewish religious 'authorities' against Jesus, by which they
'justified' eliminating him.
Never mind that Moses received the same Vision; never mind that Mohammed received the same Vision; never mind that Ezekiel and Isaiah received the
The only reason they are believed is because they are DEAD
But, let someone still alive claim to have received that Vision, and it is "unsure", or it has no "meaning", or is not in any way "relevant" to anyone
But the Vision of Knowledge is precisely that.
It conveys information about even the different dimensions of consciousness.
But it is not at all surprising that the 'fallen' consciousness would deny, contradict and minimize such information as not being of any importance.
That is what it is required
to do, being in opposition to the consciousness Created by God and the Knowledge received from God.
Oh, by the way, there are only two "Evidences" that the "Gnostic" view is the Truth:
One of those "Evidences" is the Vision of the "Son of man".
The other of those "Evidences" is the Revelation of the "resurrection", consisting of the Revelation of the Memory of Creation and the revelation of
the memories of previous lives.
Those who have received those Revelations do not need even so much as one
book written by a theologian.
Rather, on the basis of those Revelations, they are capable of explaining many of the Sayings in the Gospel of Thomas
, for example, that the
Christian religious 'authorities' have no understanding of whatsoever; as well as differentiating Truth from falsehood in those documents that have
been perverted by this or that metaphysical school of thought. (The Gospel of John
, for example)
edit on 6-10-2010 by Michael Cecil because: commentary on the Vision and the Revelation of the "resurrection"