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posted on Oct, 6 2010 @ 04:46 PM
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Originally posted by IAMIAM
Here is a good read on the corruptions in the Bible my friend. It is a good start for decyphering fact from fiction within it. Trust not even this information, but weigh it all with your heart.


Why would one go to a Islamic web site to find out the "truth" about the Christian Bible? Doesn't it occur to you that a Muslim is going to take issues with Christianity? A quick summary of that particular page would be "there is a lot of disagreement about who wrote the Bible, so it's obviously a corrupted and totally wrong text."

Nice logic there.

I'm still waiting for you to explain to me how the Roman Empire wrote the books of the New Testament in a time when it was persecuting the church, and settled on the canon a hundred years before Constantine's conversion. Are you another proponent of the time machine theory?




posted on Oct, 6 2010 @ 04:56 PM
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as some say:

we are seeing some good "theory -- anti-theory" here .. that is the purpose of controlling things like money for example, and ways of life....it never seems to come up with the total answer!

ever wonder WHY the people that preach the loudest about how YOU should live are themselves living differently ?

now here's another point of view:

www.stewartsynopsis.com...

what about THIS IDEA??



posted on Oct, 6 2010 @ 05:04 PM
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and here's some more:

www.commentarymagazine.com...

jewishatheist.blogspot.com...

www.free-online-bible-study.org...

www.discerningtoday.org...

note that some of the MOST CONVINCING "proof" is coming from modern day "experts".

much is generalized and riddled with assumptions.

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edit on 6-10-2010 by xuenchen because: added more interesting sites to read.



posted on Oct, 6 2010 @ 06:13 PM
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Originally posted by adjensen

Originally posted by Michael Cecil
This is upsetting to you.

It hurts your feelings; it offends you; it makes you angry.

I couldn't care less.


Gee, that's hardly an attitude that will sell books :-)


If there were a way that I could contact the people who sell my book--believe it or not, I was not aware that it is even available on the website you mentioned (not that I 'think' that there is a snowflake's chance in hell that there are any royalties I am due, but how would I know?)--I would ask them not to sell you my book.

Why?

Because I would not want you to waste your money.

Seriously.

Or, if you already bought the book, I would return to you the money I made on it so as not to be a thief.

You could read my book a thousand times and you would never understand it. Or, if you understood it, you would not believe it. So it would be a waste of your money to buy it.

What my book does is explain the Revelation of the "resurrection"; something in which you have no interest.

There are some people who so desperately believe in the lies that they have been told, that it is really better that they never read the Truth at all. It would be too traumatizing.

As far as I can see, you are one of those people who "can't handle the Truth".

Let me suggest that you simply forget everything I have told you and that you go back to believing quite firmly in the nonsense that you have been told by the Christian theologians. Your life would probably be a lot happier then.

And that, after all, is what you want: pleasure and happiness rather than the Truth.

You sort of remind me of a resident in a dorm where I used to live. I had a room-mate who was an electronics expert and a sound engineer. Another resident of the dorm went out and bought a new sound system for several hundred dollars; very proud that his system had a much higher quality sound than the cheaper systems. My room-mate had him leave the room, closed the door, and then played a record on his new sound system and a much cheaper sound system. Then, through the closed door, my room-mate asked him to tell him which was the new, expensive system and which was the old, cheaper system.

He could not differentiate between them.

My room-mate just laughed. "Then you have just wasted some $300-$400 because you don't have the ear to appreciate the higher quality sound system."

In other words, you would be wasting your money to buy a copy of the Gospels or even Genesis.

You simply don't have the "ear" to differentiate those Writings from any work of either philosophy or even fiction.

Michael

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posted on Oct, 6 2010 @ 06:23 PM
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Originally posted by adjensen
Why would one go to a Islamic web site to find out the "truth" about the Christian Bible? Doesn't it occur to you that a Muslim is going to take issues with Christianity? A quick summary of that particular page would be "there is a lot of disagreement about who wrote the Bible, so it's obviously a corrupted and totally wrong text."


Because, my friend, you can't go to someone who rigidly holds a view to ask for the weaknesses in that view. I wouldn't go to a Republican to ask what the weaknesses are in the Republican view, I would go to a Democrat. I wouldn't go to a Capitalist to ask what the flaws are in that ideology, I would go to a Socialist.

Then, I would use my own logic and reason to decide which view most resonated with my own beliefs.


Originally posted by adjensen
Nice logic there.


Thank you! I thought so to.


Originally posted by adjensen
I'm still waiting for you to explain to me how the Roman Empire wrote the books of the New Testament in a time when it was persecuting the church, and settled on the canon a hundred years before Constantine's conversion. Are you another proponent of the time machine theory?


My friend, you already have your mind made up, and I am not out trying to change minds. If you want to research it because you have found questions unanswered in your own heart, I'll be happy to point you the way that you may find your own truth. But, you already have it, so there is nothing for me to prove to you.

I am not against your truth my friend. You are welcome to it. If it brings you peace, joy, and Love for all, keep it.

Judge not, Love all, be at peace

With Love,

Your Brother
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posted on Oct, 6 2010 @ 06:36 PM
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Originally posted by xuenchen
and here's some more:

www.commentarymagazine.com...

jewishatheist.blogspot.com...

www.free-online-bible-study.org...

www.discerningtoday.org...

note that some of the MOST CONVINCING "proof" is coming from modern day "experts".

much is generalized and riddled with assumptions.

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edit on 6-10-2010 by xuenchen because: added more interesting sites to read.


here's an old ATS post (last year)

www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Oct, 6 2010 @ 06:42 PM
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Well, I welcome you to defend that premise -- given evidence, and a theory that said evidence is fake, and no evidence to back up that theory, why would you accept the theory over the actual evidence, unless you're simply practicing wishful thinking?


What evidence? Whose evidence? Have you not read a word I've written? The one and only thing I take on faith is the message of Jesus Christ. Not on a book, regardless of who the author is or is claimed to be. I'm tired of hearing you claim that atleast your viewpoint is backed up by actual evidence. For such a skeptic you certainly are naive. The trouble is, you have no proof or evidence as well. Proof requires facts. Religion has made its living preying on the blind faith of others. There is no proof in your argument, if there was, there would be no discussion. Myself, or IAMIAM, or Michael Cecil would have nothing to say.



It is beyond the scope of your thread, and I'm sorry for derailing it, but this is a rather dangerous practice, not just in the realm of religion, but in pretty much every aspect of a search for the truth. If one begins a search for the truth with an expectation of what it will be, it is unlikely that information which runs counter to the expectation will be given the same credibility as information which supports it and, in the end, one can never be certain what truth is.


Dangerous to who. You tell me what is more dangerous. Someone who seeks out their own path along with the guidance of the teachings of Jesus, or the participants in religion, whom have the murders of hundreds of thousands on their hands? I have no expectation of what the truth is, that is why it is referred to a seeking the truth. It is you that has a preconcieved notion of what the rules concerning salvation are. Religion claims to have all the answers, does it not?



In the end, faith isn't about God meeting your expectations, but you meeting his.


You are absolutely right, my God would not expect me to blindly accept the words of others. My God would expect me to get off my &@$ and make an attempt to discover Him for myself. He sent His son, to deliver His message. His son was tortured and murdered, at the hands of those who held positions of authority in religion. These same "people" directly or indirectly influenced the Bible. That is why I don't put my faith in merely a book.Yeah I guess I'm the crazy one.



posted on Oct, 6 2010 @ 06:43 PM
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I've got a link for you where you can find and read all of the apocryphal books.

Here you go : Link !

Take your time. You're gonna need it to read everything.

Enjoy



posted on Oct, 6 2010 @ 06:45 PM
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Thanks for that!




posted on Oct, 6 2010 @ 07:03 PM
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Originally posted by Michael Cecil

Originally posted by adjensen

Originally posted by Michael Cecil
This is upsetting to you.

It hurts your feelings; it offends you; it makes you angry.

I couldn't care less.


Gee, that's hardly an attitude that will sell books :-)


If there were a way that I could contact the people who sell my book--believe it or not, I was not aware that it is even available on the website you mentioned (not that I 'think' that there is a snowflake's chance in hell that there are any royalties I am due, but how would I know?)


I would suggest that you contact your publisher or distributor, as they show your book being "in stock", so unless they bought out some remainders from another bookstore or something, they're getting them new from somebody you know. Not sure why they'd owe you any royalties, though, those aren't paid by the reseller.


Because I would not want you to waste your money.


Well, that's very noble of you, but I have plenty of money, and I've bought much weirder books than yours in the past. Seriously, I even have a copy of Behold a Pale Horse by Bill "Madder than a March Hare" Cooper around here someplace.

But fear not, I will not buy your book. You were mean to me :-)


Let me suggest that you simply forget everything I have told you


Since you have told me nothing, apart from a demonstration of being confused about royalties and just as confused about the philosophies behind Christian Gnosticism, consider it done.


You simply don't have the "ear" to differentiate those Writings from any work of either philosophy or even fiction.


See, again with the elitism. I don't "deserve" to know what you're talking about, so I'm precluded from the knowledge. I lack your intelligence and insight, so I am consigned to the "lost cause" pile. If what you had was the truth, you would seek to enlighten and educate others, not dismiss them with a "sorry, you're not worthy."

But the truth of the matter is that you don't like the criticism, you apparently can't answer it, and so you devolve into an ad hominem attack, implying that your beliefs can't be false, simply because I am a deluded, brainless follower of the religion of majority. This is not a valid argument, sorry.

This is the real world, where ideas are judged on their merit, intelligent people apply thoughtful criticism to claims, and one can rarely make bold statements (like "I know the truth and you don't") without being called out on it. Claiming to be "above you all" is not a reasonable response to said calling out, and your credibility plummets as a result.

But I guess that's the point of Gnosis, right? It's hidden knowledge, not because it's nonsense, but because only the elite intellectually and spiritually mature sorts, such as yourself, deserve to know what truth is.



posted on Oct, 6 2010 @ 07:11 PM
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Originally posted by IAMIAM
Because, my friend, you can't go to someone who rigidly holds a view to ask for the weaknesses in that view. I wouldn't go to a Republican to ask what the weaknesses are in the Republican view, I would go to a Democrat. I wouldn't go to a Capitalist to ask what the flaws are in that ideology, I would go to a Socialist.


I will certainly say that you make me laugh, so I'll give you that much. Going to a Democrat to ask what the flaws are of the Republican Party is certainly about as sensible as going to your Islamic web site to learn the "truth" about the Bible. What gives you the confidence that the flaws that the Democrat points out are valid? What makes them flaws? Why do the Republicans have them? Do the Republicans view them as flaws? Do you?

I'll give you an alternative way to look at it -- go to your local Toyota dealer, and ask him to help you select your new Ford.


Originally posted by adjensen
I'm still waiting for you to explain to me how the Roman Empire wrote the books of the New Testament in a time when it was persecuting the church, and settled on the canon a hundred years before Constantine's conversion. Are you another proponent of the time machine theory?


My friend, you already have your mind made up, and I am not out trying to change minds. If you want to research it because you have found questions unanswered in your own heart, I'll be happy to point you the way that you may find your own truth. But, you already have it, so there is nothing for me to prove to you.

If I might make a suggestion, lay off the Dan Brown books and try reading actual histories. My mind is "made up", along with pretty much everyone else, because there is no credible support, none, for your claim. Dodging it with your silliness doesn't change that fact.



posted on Oct, 6 2010 @ 07:15 PM
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But I guess that's the point of Gnosis, right? It's hidden knowledge, not because it's nonsense, but because only the elite intellectually and spiritually mature sorts, such as yourself, deserve to know what truth is.


Have you ever considered who is responsible for hidden knowledge being hidden? Don't pretend like there is no such thing as hidden knowledge. There is, and it exists in every area of study.



posted on Oct, 6 2010 @ 07:16 PM
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Originally posted by lambs to lions
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Well, I welcome you to defend that premise -- given evidence, and a theory that said evidence is fake, and no evidence to back up that theory, why would you accept the theory over the actual evidence, unless you're simply practicing wishful thinking?


What evidence? Whose evidence? Have you not read a word I've written? The one and only thing I take on faith is the message of Jesus Christ.


I think that we got derailed along the way, sorry.

I was discussing the person's claim that the Jews had made up the whole of Christianity and Islam in the Dark Ages.

Is there evidence that the church existed prior to the Dark Ages? Yes, documentary and archaeological evidence clearly indicates that the church existed in ancient Rome.

Is there evidence that Jews made the whole thing up? No.

Why would anyone believe that which has no evidence, in lieu of something that does, unless one believes in it so much that evidence of its truth or its falsehood is not relevant?



posted on Oct, 6 2010 @ 07:19 PM
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Oh, I agree...lol.




posted on Oct, 6 2010 @ 08:26 PM
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Originally posted by adjensen
If I might make a suggestion, lay off the Dan Brown books and try reading actual histories. My mind is "made up", along with pretty much everyone else, because there is no credible support, none, for your claim. Dodging it with your silliness doesn't change that fact.


My friend, your argument for Christianity would be far more convincing if you actually acted like you understood his simple lessons. You have no humility, you have no charity, you lack Christs grace, and you are not even trying. Then you sit up on your pedestal and look down on others because you are more learned in the scripture.

My friend, it does not take a life time of study to understand "Love God with all your heart, and love your neighbor as yourself."

You like to think it takes 66 books and umpteen hundred pages to teach that simple "Truth". This makes you feel secure, comfortable that you are heads and tails ahead everyone else spiritually. In truth, you are empty inside, devoid of security and Love. It shows through your words as plain as day. I do not know what troubles have brought you to this view in life. I am sorry you had to face them.

Be well my friend. I am leaving this conversation with more resistance to Christianity than I had before I started. Remember, when you testify for Jesus, you represent an example of his unconditional love for Mankind. You fail to show it, and he may not even recognise you when your standing before him.

With Love,

Your Brother



posted on Oct, 6 2010 @ 09:02 PM
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Originally posted by adjensen


There is a significant difference between what Christ taught and what some people have done in his name, both within and outside of the Church. However, to paint the Church (Catholic or otherwise) with some broad brush and dismiss it all, is both foolish and shortsighted. Claiming past actions (in particular, actions hundreds of years ago,) condemn current religion, or that the actions of few (pedophiliac Priests, for example,) condemn the actions of all are both invalid claims, for obvious reasons.


I was following you and grasping what you where saying up until the very last sentence of this paragraph. You are right you should not condemn a church on its past actions such as the crusades or Inquisition even. However condemning it for its current and recent cover ups such as pedophiliac priest is current and still ongoing. The Catholic Church for example has a don't ask don't tell policy when it comes to such actions. They do not excommunicate there priest for such actions and the list of infractions going on and on. They do not abide by sex offender laws for such actions and as far as I know haven't even allowed trials to take place against the accused.

It isn't just the actions of the priests it goes all the way up the ladder of leadership on this subject. In US if you were not aware the pope has immunity against or allegations of pedophiliac accusations. Those that claim actions against the church and are open about a personally condemned not the priest who may have committed the act. So it is the church that needs to be condemned for allowing such actions to take place and trying to just sweep them under the rug like it never happened.

I'm not saying other churches don't do the same but the Catholic Church being one of the most influential in the world needs to lead by some form of example. The current example it is setting is not a good one and is a reminder of all its past mistakes. What I am saying here is if you don't want your past actions held against you don't make similar mistakes in the present. The Catholic Church is doing exactly what they have always done pretend it didn't happen and will go away but it doesn't work that way anymore. They have influence but no where the power they once had over kings and leaders.

Now onto the OP.

You clearly hold a grudge against the Catholic Church which is fine I was raised Catholic and I have my own issues with some of their actions mostly in the recent. Let's say these missing books are actually missing from the cannon. I say that because some the books that are supposedly lost books of the bible don't match up in writing style or dating processes. The dating processes are bit skewed because you would literally have to destroy the document to find a more accurate date for when it was written but still there are ways to tell such as what it was written on and the stylizations it was written in to get a clear picture of when it could have been written.

I'm not sure if anyone the ones you have mentioned have been found to written in totally different time frame but they have found a few supposed lost chapters that where nowhere near the age of what is currently in the bible. If you are a true seeker of knowledge you would research and find out for sure if what you are reading fits the timeline.

Now let's move on the Vatican’s secret library which really isn't a secret cause everyone knows about it and the vault where this information is stored is fairly out in the open. If you went to the Vatican on a tour you would walk right by the area where the information is stored. What's in the secret library a bunch of old writings, books, church doctrine, and files pertaining to just about anything you want to know such certain members credit reports.

I can verify they do in fact have the last thing I mentioned on certain members credit reports but not whether they actually store it in the secret library. Let's say you want to see something in the secret library well it really depends on what you want to see. Some of the material is light sensitive do to age of the document so they can't just readily hand out that materiel to anyone. Photo copying and turning into pdf's would also be hard with such material. Yet as for getting anything else out of the secret library you have to know what is you are looking for and its catalog number and few other things I can't remember of the top of my head plus the reason or need for the information. You have to be a member of the church and level within the church determines what kind material you have access to.

Such as a church goer would have general access to stuff that they can photo copy or pdf for that person. A priest would have a bit more access and so on and so forth up until the arch bishop’s which pretty much have access to anything in the this secret library that really isn't secret. Some historians are allowed access to older material so long as they are members of the church. The freedom information act in the US has a lot of the same stipulations as the getting information from the Vatican library.

Now let's move onto the eradication of Gnostics which you assume there is no peaceful form of eradication. It's call assimilation in terms of a church or religion it is done by converting the majority. In allot of cases especially with the Catholic Church it was done by accepting or adapting certain traditions of other cultures and belief systems into their own. In South America and Mexico they would build monasteries and churches on what the natives of those areas thought was sacred ground. From there they would adopt parts of the native traditions that could fit into the belief of Christianity so the natives had some common ground. It made learning the Christian faith easier on the native people.

I'm not saying there weren’t any wars fought over ones belief system because the church did go to war against the Muslims a few times in the Middle East and Europe. Yet most conversions or attempted conversions where done by assimilation not eradication. As for the Gnostics last I remember they were mostly converted because of the majority and the fact that they were considered heretics. They were not eradicated for beliefs but ousted by the majority so they let go and joined up and where assimilated into the masses because they denounced there only beliefs and accepted the new one as where so many other belief systems of that time frame.

Now on top of all of that let's not forget there are Old Testament supposed lost books that neither the Catholic Church nor Judaism accepts same with there are some books in the Muslim faith that only certain sects accept and others deny outright. So if you want a mass cover up of the bigger religious picture you can't just point fingers at one group and say all their fault.
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posted on Oct, 6 2010 @ 09:39 PM
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I do have a grudge so to speak against the Catholic church. Its fairly obvious why. Although, there are many reasons, the one that crosses me the most is; the violence and torture perpetrated in God's name. We can argue over dates, numbers, and reasons. The truth of the matter is what they did was harrowing. It always gets me when they are confronted with the past they simply say, "mistakes were made, we are looking towards the future". I don't think that they are alone in these mistakes. You can look at modern day Israel and Palestine and see a religious war happen every day. That is my problem with religion. I said it earlier, what better tool for the "devil"? To divide and conquer God's faithful. Over what? Different perspectives. Anyway, thanks for your input, great post.



posted on Oct, 6 2010 @ 10:12 PM
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Originally posted by IAMIAM

Originally posted by adjensen
If I might make a suggestion, lay off the Dan Brown books and try reading actual histories. My mind is "made up", along with pretty much everyone else, because there is no credible support, none, for your claim. Dodging it with your silliness doesn't change that fact.


My friend, your argument for Christianity would be far more convincing if you actually acted like you understood his simple lessons. You have no humility, you have no charity, you lack Christs grace, and you are not even trying. Then you sit up on your pedestal and look down on others because you are more learned in the scripture.


Nice bit of judgmentalism there, "friend." I am, in fact, rather humble. I am, most likely, far more charitable than you are. And why on Earth would you believe that I am arguing "for Christianity"?

Here's what I believe, friend-o. Christianity is the truth. It is my responsibility to correct misstatements made about this faith, and to ensure that an accurate depiction of the Christian faith is available to you. What you do with that is between you and God, I honestly don't care if you accept Christ's gift of salvation or not.

That's the end of it. When you waltz in here, with your flowery invectives and your misrepresentations of Christianity, I am going to correct your misstatements. I have been nothing, if not respectful, but to believe that I should simply ignore your patently false claims is the height of foolishness.

Christ taught us to love one another, but he also taught that heresy (literally, wrong teaching,) that leads one away from God must be countered with the truth. You make statements against Christianity, while claiming to profess Christ's teachings. When bolstered with nonsense like "Rome wrote the Bible", it is most clearly evident that you are not, in any way, a follower of Christ, but of "a christ", someone invented by you to meet your expectations of what God should be.



posted on Oct, 7 2010 @ 02:47 AM
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Originally posted by adjensen
But I guess that's the point of Gnosis, right? It's hidden knowledge, not because it's nonsense, but because only the elite intellectually and spiritually mature sorts, such as yourself, deserve to know what truth is.


Well, over the past 34 years I have contacted over 10,000 media officials and religious 'authorities' with this "hidden Knowledge" in an effort to make that Knowledge public.

And they have censored and suppressed my writings.

So, whose fault is it that this Knowledge remains hidden?

Some 5,000 faxes were sent to media outlets announcing the publication of my book in August, 2007. But not one single newspaper would write a review of my book.

Whose fault is that?

I personally faxed a copy of a press release for my book--which only I was capable of writing--to some 60 or 70 Jewish Federations in the United States. I did not receive even so much as one reply.

My hometown newspaper, the South Bend Tribune, would not even write a review of my book; probably because of the threat it would constitute to the University of Notre Dame.

This is what happens. People exactly like you--more than 10,000 of them--do everything in their power to censor and suppress the Truth. And then, when someone claims to have "hidden Knowledge", they accuse them of being an "elitist".

The "elitists" are those who chose to censor and suppress the Truth in the first place.

Of course, I fully suspect that the logic of such an assertion completely escapes you.

You are quite fundamentally offended by any assertion that the consciousness of the 'thinker' is incapable of acquiring Absolute Truth for itself.

Michael



posted on Oct, 7 2010 @ 08:45 AM
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Originally posted by Michael Cecil
Of course, I fully suspect that the logic of such an assertion completely escapes you.

You are quite fundamentally offended by any assertion that the consciousness of the 'thinker' is incapable of acquiring Absolute Truth for itself.


Again, you somehow come to the conclusion that I'm offended by any of this. I'm not, not in any way. I am dismissive of it, not because it offends me, but because it's wrong. Right as rain to you, wrong to me and, I suspect, most people, because it fails even a rudimentary pass of critical thought.

You say that for 34 years, you have been censored and suppressed. I suspect that the truth is that you have been ignored, if the arrogance, inability to coherently articulate a reasonable position and condescension that you have shown to me here are any indication of how you have acted in those 34 years.


I personally faxed a copy of a press release for my book--which only I was capable of writing--to some 60 or 70 Jewish Federations in the United States. I did not receive even so much as one reply.


I can tell you exactly why, and why no newspaper would review your book. Because your press release was, in all likelihood, complete twaddle. Whoever receives and reviews these things most likely didn't get beyond the first paragraph, maybe not even the first sentence, before they threw it away.


My hometown newspaper, the South Bend Tribune, would not even write a review of my book; probably because of the threat it would constitute to the University of Notre Dame.


Michael, I'm trying to be nice here, but this is delusional thinking. You are deluded in this belief. Regardless of any "threat" it might have to Notre Dame, they didn't publish anything about it for the same reason that every other newspaper did not.

I had a friend once who was in a downward spiral. He was pretty successful, an outwardly nice guy, but he was stubborn, had a very distorted sense of self-worth, and he could get very mean. After one particular episode, it cost him his job, something that he had worked his way up to over a period of many years.

But he moved on to something else. History repeats itself, this time it only took a couple of years for him to implode. He asked to come work for me, and, not really knowing about the Narcissism and anger, I said sure. Fired him about nine months later. Shortly after leaving, he picked up something else, that lasted about the same length of time, and I've lost track of him since.

Along the way, he lost his home, his wife divorced him and his kids effectively disavowed any relationship with him. When I met him, he was a millionaire, when I last saw him, his possessions fit in a duffel bag. And if you asked him, none of it, not one shred of it, was in any way his fault. It was his investors, his partner, his wife, me, you name it.

But another friend, who also knew this fellow made the observation "how can this happen, time and time again, and not lead one to any degree of introspection?"

If you have spent 34 years of your life as a "voice crying out in the wilderness" and no one will listen, I would kindly suggest that you spend some small amount of time reflecting on your role in this failure to garner attention. I truly sympathize with you, and I'm sorry for your struggles, but it is likely that the only way to stop struggling is to either give it up, or figure out why it isn't working.






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