Does the Afghans have the right to kills American soldiers?

Originally posted by EnlightenUp
reply to post by oozyism

 

Just what were they carving next to the doorway?

ETA: Looking at it closer, it looks like it could even be a star of David.

edit on 9/26/2010 by EnlightenUp because: just because

You grabbed that from the video, very interesting..

Is that the Illuminati sign?

Originally posted by Death_Kron
reply to post by oozyism

 

I don't think anyone has a "right" to kill another human being,

This is pretty much the bottom line for me.

As a US citezen, my rights are outlined in the' Bill Of Rights', and I dont remember anything in there about me having the right to KILL anyone or anything. Protect myself? Sure. That still says nothing specifically about KILLING. It is amusing to me that so many folks equate self defense with killing ones attacker. We all know its not a difficult task to KILL someone. Ok...In a life or death struggle between two adversaries does either party have the right to kill the other? NO. Each party has the right to CHOOSE to kill or not to kill.

IF I were a serviceman or woman it wouldnt be my right to kill anyone or anything....It would be my JOB. Theres a very big difference between a right, and preforming the functions of a vocation.

Originally posted by oozyism
You grabbed that from the video, very interesting..

Is that the Illuminati sign?

The drawing to the right is the Masonic emblem of the square and compass.

Here's what ive learned U.S. is killing everyone wholesale. AND its a zionist thing too......I wonder if Benny Laden is enlighten he should, he works for the CIA and Israel.So when the Taliban said no you can't have Ben Laden we should have said OK and forgot about it and went on our way and the world would be a better place.Yes the Afghan can shoot back cause there doing it.

Perhaps Americans should ask themselves this question BEFORE invading other peoples space. Might save a lot of grief.

reply to post by Majorwood

So when the Taliban said no you can't have Ben Laden we should have said OK and forgot about it and went on our way and the world would be a better place.

The Taliban never said that, they asked for evidence, funny how the US does not have any evidence to connect Osama bin Laden with the 9/11 attacks.

If I have a guest and you want to arrest him for an act you accuse him of commiting, I expect you to bring evidence.

I cannot see why the Afghans do not have the right to fight back and try to expel an invader from their country. America would be the first country to scream their right to do this from the roof tops if they were "invaded" by a country who wanted to "restore democracy" to America.

One of the things that gets overlooked in this whole Afgan war thing and no doubt, Iraq as well, is that these people have a culture of a tooth for a tooth. When a member of a mans family gets killed he has, in their culture, a duty to seek revenge for that loss so killing Afghans merely sporns more Tailban. It's a never ending cycle.

What I find particualry interesting about the war on Afghanistan is that the Ameriican descriptions of opponents has changed in a way that phases out Al Kieaida and phases in a new enemy, the Tailibain.

Does this mean that by phasing out Al Kiedia they are phasing out Osama Bin Laden as well? Have you noticed that Osama Bin Laden as been toppled by the US and they now want us to beleive that Hohamad Atta is the "mastermind" of 911? Is this a sign that 911 and Osama Bin Laden have now served their prupose and need to dissapear from the public memory?

Just a my thoughts
cheers

"rights" is a meaningless word. Did America have the "right" to lie to the public about 9/11? All that matters is force, will power. Do Afghans have the force to kill American soldiers? Yes, with guns, guns most likely made in the US of A.

Originally posted by filosophia
"rights" is a meaningless word. Did America have the "right" to lie to the public about 9/11? All that matters is force, will power. Do Afghans have the force to kill American soldiers? Yes, with guns, guns most likely made in the US of A.

The moral of might makes right ??

Yes, it is very prevailing in the American mentality, or at least propagated, to make Americans think that way.

War = You shoot me I shoot back.

Do they have a right? Yep

reply to post by oozyism


Thanks for that video. As to the simple question the OP poses, the simple answer is yes. Do we(Americans) have the right to kill invading armed military soldiers that have set up a seemingly endless occupation of the USA? No matter what their version of events may be the answer is yes we have every right to kill them.

i see that most of the posters here defend the Afghans right to shoot back at the oppressors. However, one must remember that the Coalition forces are protecting and supporting an Afghan government, under which womans and girls actually can live like human beings and educate them selves.

Look at Iraq - USA military is pulling out now, which will certainly happen in Afghanistan as well, as soon the Afghan government stands on its own feet and can defend their country against extremists.

Yes - this Afghan government might be corrupt, but it is still a thousand times better then the taliban government which treats woman like dogs and blows up Buddha statues and Sufi graves, and denies the young people of Afghanistan to have some fun and listen to music.

The above being said, at least 50% of the Afghan population stand 100% behind NATO - all women.

Note - I am a born and moderate Muslim in Indonesia, so i know what i talk about.

reply to post by oozyism


Interesting question. But what gives anyone the right to kill anyone?
Even in self defence, subduing the predator and attempting to understand the insanity that has driven them to attack you would be better than simply killing them. I mean, if people are attacking you, maybe you should work out why before more come to do so. In this case I find it quite obvious that American soldiers are attacking Afgans under orders to facilitate the theft of resources (mainly oil). I don't believe even Ghandi's approach would work.. (sorry Ghandi!)

Short answer: No, not the right. Just the ability and possibility.

reply to post by Fragment


If someone forcefully enters your home then yes you have the right to forcefully kick them out. As simple as that.
Soldiers are human beings and with occupations come higher rates of rape, harassment, theft, murders e.t.c.

Were invading their country without a declaration of war.... why wouldnt they? Not that a declaration of war means anything, I just love how were bankrupting our economy without officially being in a war.

It's ok. Soon we'll get sick of hunting men in caves and go to Iran to defend Israel because they cant shut their #ing mouth or fight their own war.

Such a joke.

If America invaded free, souvereign and peaceful Afganistan which government that respects human rights and its people will, and not a dictarorship one, I would say they have every right to fight back. But we have to keep in mind that Afganistan was under terrible tyranny of the Taliban before the invasion and as much as the invasion caused other problems, it liberated Afganistan people from another, worse oppressor (according to afghan people polls). So we can ask to what extent are these attacks on coalition forces peoples fight for freedom (for liberty), and to what extent they are orchestrated by Taliban criminals and religious fundamentalists in the intent to regain power and oppress ordinary people again (anti-liberty). Since majority of ordinary afgnani people would according to polls rather live under western occupation than under Taliban rule, I side with the latter, therefore Taliban attacks are not morally justified.

Originally posted by oozyism
Simple question really:

Do Afghans have a legitimate right to fight, kill any and all American soldiers in Afghanistan?

It's a perfectly valid question that you ask.

We shouldn't shy away from it, just because it is an extremely sensitive issue.


I think that soldiers from invading forces are a legitimate target for attack.

There's too many people that have a one-eyed view on the issue, immediately assuming that the actions of the USA, UK and other countries, must be correct.

Hostile military combatants are valid targets.


This is why I never understood that bollocks about ''One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter''.

Clearly, terrorists target innocent people, or aren't concerned if their actions result in misery for innocent people.
''Freedom fighters'' are people that actively target hostile and aggressive military forces.

reply to post by bussoboy

You are completely right, and indeed there will always be some bogeyman for US populace be afraid of. It is either Hitler (who happens to be reptilian), Gorbachev (who is also a antichrist), Saddam, Bin Laden, Taliban, Ahmadinejad or Kim Jong Il. If it's not any of them, it is piss-easy to find someone else, there's plenty of CIA-imposed dictators to go around and CIA-trained / US-funded terrorist groups to play the "axis of evil". Yeah there's lots of bad guys out there but you guys created most of them in the first place, does that make any sense to a rational-thinking person....

Originally posted by SassyCat
reply to post by bussoboy

 

You are completely right, and indeed there will always be some bogeyman for US populace be afraid of. It is either Hitler (who happens to be reptilian), Gorbachev (who is also a antichrist), Saddam, Bin Laden, Taliban, Ahmadinejad or Kim Jong Il. If it's not any of them, it is piss-easy to find someone else, there's plenty of CIA-imposed dictators to go around and CIA-trained / US-funded terrorist groups to play the "axis of evil". Yeah there's lots of bad guys out there but you guys created most of them in the first place, does that make any sense to a rational-thinking person....

Yes it does but sadly the American people are too stupid (or simply dont care enough) to do anything about it. I print out 10 pages of facts about Aspertame and hand them to people and watch them nod their head and pick up a diet coke. They simply dont care.

reply to post by oozyism


NO humans have no right to kill each other.
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