Extra-Terrestrial Installation in Dulce, New Mexico

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posted on Nov, 5 2012 @ 03:55 AM
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Well, I haven't been up Tikaboo even though I did scope out Area 51 from the roadway. However I have been to Dulce, fortunately for me only on the surface! I can confirm that there is - in the absence of a Casino or other visible sources of tribal revenue - considerably better quality housing there than in neighboring areas. Also the supermarket seems rather high-end, reminding me of fancy ones in posh parts of Southern California. Finally I did photograph some odd industrial or mining installations right on the roadside which seemed out of place, at least without some explanation.


Remember this is on Indian Reservation Property



The following warning was posted in the comments section of the above video, which might be legitimate but it also might reflect why the Black Ops of the Extraterrestrial Military Industrial Intelligence Complex choose Indian Reservations to hide their illegal operations: Federal Law has no jurisdiction, only the Tribal Elders make the law.



I gave your video a "Thumbs Down". If you encourage non-tribal members to drive up Archuleta Mesa unescorted, they will be arrested and tried in a Federal Court. And as for your claim that "no-one is 100% sure on why the roads go to the top of the mesa",,dude, the mesa top houses the local radio station equipment, AT&T cell phone equipment, a forestry lookout tower, police and EMS communication equipment, airport phone equipment etc. You are hurting families by promoting travel up the mesa.
TheArgosReed



Honestly, I cannot see how somebody trespassing might be "Hurting Families" unless this tribe is under threat from the Black Ops or the Aliens themselves. If ever you encountered a Draco you would be very very worried for sure! Another thing which doesn't make sense is why - if in Indian Territory - one could be tried in Federal Court. The Feds have no jurisdiction there, only the tribe can judge and condemn whoever commits a crime or violation on their own territory. If the Feds step in, then this means that it is a Federal Government Base. Thus that the DULCE UNDERGROUND BASE IS REAL.


When visiting I noted considerable animosity from certain locals, which can readily be understood if they are invaded by UFO tourists and the like and find this to denature their Reservation. Possibly some behave like boors and lack respect or deference not understanding they are visiting foreign territory? But the vibe I got was that they had a mission to stave off anyone prying or inquiring. For TV crews and large investigative teams, however, they seem to put up a front and volunteer some flaky guide or eyewitness who gives zero tangible information.


In any case I didn't feel safe during my brief visit and decided to not stay the night as originally planned. I could see nothing beyond trace evidence of what is alleged to go on beneath the surface of the Archuleta Mesa, but happen to believe the testimony of several whistleblowers involved. And this for several reasons including correlation with their statements with knowledge gained from personal experience. FWIW


GS

edit on 5-11-2012 by Getsmart because: Man-eating Draco Reptilians are a REALITY… unfortunately. DRACOS have Technology & SHARP TEETH.




posted on Nov, 5 2012 @ 02:39 PM
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One of the things you need to do is to check with the local recorders office to see if the land you are crossing is deeded or actually is tribal territory. Locals will tell you all sorts of crap about where you can and can't go. People put up "No Trespassing" signs all the time that have no legal authority.

I have seen situations where traveling on the road is legal but "stopping" is not legal.

The Dulce story is such crap that I wouldn't waste my time traveling there. I've been to New Mexico, but just for the tourist stuff. The museum in Los Alamos is worth the time. You can hike Bandolier (sp) and snoop on the lab at the same time. Lots of history in Santa Fe. Dulce wasn't on my list. I sleep soundly knowing the reptiles aren't going to eat me, well unless I go to Florida.

I commend you for at least investigating the area in person. Too many people think regurgitating internet trash is investigating. Google Earth is a good tool, but only to find places to investigate in the field.



posted on Nov, 7 2012 @ 06:13 PM
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The warcry of every scientist: WHERE IS THE EVIDENCE?


The warcry TO every scientist: WHERE IS YOUR COMMON SENSE? SECRET TO NOT BE REVEALED AND EVIDENCE OF THE SECRET!!

You are a tourist, you must know more, and if you can't find evidence, it doesn't exist.

You skeptics are so funny, I am however neither a believer nor a moron like skeptics - basically there are enough people and even 2 photos (exactly two photos) that may be of the real base which is enough TO NOT DISMISS and yet not enough to BE CERTAIN - yet you are certain ha ha ha, certain tourist, missed the sightseeing.

Hahaha hahaa when will you learn, to be in the middle like me, don't dismiss and don't believe,, Ah the foolishness. they will never get away from this logical fallacy being certain of non existence of smth they have no access to lawl

Garlic, the tourist


If you eat too much garlic, you are sure to scare even the biggest alien
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posted on Nov, 7 2012 @ 06:31 PM
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Thirty three years of the Dulce fairy tale and not one shred of physical evidence. Yet you still drink the koolaid.

And you call ME a moron?



posted on Nov, 7 2012 @ 07:16 PM
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so if Phil Schneider got killed execution-style 7 months after talking about this, there must some truth to this!This is so good: www.burlingtonnews.net...
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posted on Nov, 7 2012 @ 09:00 PM
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Or Phil didn't pay a gambling debt, or he was some ladies backdoor man, blah blah blah.

Hint: plenty of murders in the US.

Hint: none of them have anything to do with a ficticious underground base in New Mexico.



posted on Nov, 7 2012 @ 09:05 PM
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Or Phil didn't pay a gambling debt, or he was some ladies backdoor man, blah blah blah.

Hint: plenty of murders in the US.

Hint: none of them have anything to do with a ficticious underground base in New Mexico.



posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 06:23 PM
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No, there are real people who visit the place and based on human sources - sources you as a tourist will never have, there is.

But exactly because there is no absolute proof for us the public, it remains hardly reality. However, I keep on teaching people, do not exclude what you are not sure about and others talk about.

UFO phenomena and coverup are also for 60 years and so the tale continues as you say but the fact is - people continue to see unknown aircraft or drones or whatever else, and the fairy tale is the same but it still continues HMM?? Not true because not revealed yet?? Same with Dulce

But again you do the stupid failure in logic and you label me as a believer in all that, no I am not sure, I just do not exclude, cause there are enough sources some cannot be called liars and these sources should not be dismissed without any proof of lies.

I mean... look at your lack of logic
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posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 08:21 PM
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Koolaid is great for washing down BS. One person's source is another man's example of a drooling moron spewing nonsense. I don't care who goes on the record with their BS. If you can't produce one bit of physical evidence in 33 years, there is nothing to the story.

Insult me all you want because I look at the source of the insults and deem them nil in value.

I get on the ground and poke around. And you know what? I find stuff if there is something to be found. The problem with Dulce is there is nothing to be found.



posted on Nov, 9 2012 @ 03:20 AM
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Just like UFOs right? No progress for 60 years but everybody knows they exist and the military are hiding it... I don't see any reason Dulce to not be the same case, meaning, you do not know. But without even digging every perimeter of the Mesa, you are certain, 'OK' that's what I see by every pseudo-researcher



posted on Nov, 9 2012 @ 04:22 PM
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UFO reports without good photography are 100% worthless. A witness may see something, but they don't know what they saw.
www...​.lazygranch.com/groom_lake_birds. htm

Unlike 99% of what you call tourists, I have documented non-Janet aircraft at Groom Lake. I have physical proof, not shaky images of blurred lights.

I'm still waiting for any, I repeat any, physical proof that an underground base exists at Dulce. That BS story is probably older than half the readers on ATS. When can we put the Dulce fairy tale in the dust bin of history. Will 40 years of that crap be enough? Or will their be a new generation of weak minded conspiracy nutcases incapable of critical thought to replace the current generation of wankers who believe such crap?



posted on Nov, 10 2012 @ 03:21 PM
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Why don't you go watch the boring jets that you may see every day around Area 51 and continue to post here about Dulce?

Like I told you, no one knows what is true and what is not, with so much secrecy you can't be certain in its existence or non-existence



posted on Nov, 10 2012 @ 09:30 PM
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Holy crap, that burlington news article is out there, I mean SFOD-D used to guard the stealth fleet around the world?

I'm with gariac on this one from what I've read Schneider seems to be your A-class whackjob - oh yeah and not to mention I think he's having a dig at everyone who believes his stories of Deep Underground Military Bases (DUMBs).

I mean c'mon, my BS meter is pinging off the chart with this dude, and always has.
Same as with Lazar, he's nothing.

He was killed. Good for him. Possibly by the govt but more than likely by pissing of the wrong psychopath.



posted on Nov, 10 2012 @ 09:36 PM
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Yes, but as gariac said, there's more than enough time to accumulate at least some specualtive, circumstantial evidence.

33 years is a long time for people to keep their mouth shut or the government to keep something 'deep black'.

Humans are fallible after all. 33 years is a long time for people to not accidetally say something, hint, or for nothing to turn up in official records.

Yes, even classified projects/operations still have a paper trail no matter how small.

Unlike Dreamland where there are photos, viewing sites, ex-workers, ex-contractors that physically say the place exists.

Where is this for Dulce? So there are a few hostile Native Americans up there, I could point to a few places around where I work where there are 'few' hostile Aborigines - I work in the CBD too.



posted on Nov, 11 2012 @ 08:51 AM
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Originally posted by AussieNutter
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Yes, but as gariac said, there's more than enough time to accumulate at least some specualtive, circumstantial evidence.



as gariac said


Is he a God that knows everything? I didnn't find it, therefore it doesn't exist - is a lame way to research. Also gariac seems to hang around Area 51, unless he dug rabbit holes in every perimeter under the Mesa... you know.


33 years is a long time for people to keep their mouth shut or the government to keep something 'deep black'.

Humans are fallible after all. 33 years is a long time for people to not accidetally say something, hint, or for nothing to turn up in official records.

Yes, even classified projects/operations still have a paper trail no matter how small.

Unlike Dreamland where there are photos, viewing sites, ex-workers, ex-contractors that physically say the place exists.

Where is this for Dulce? So there are a few hostile Native Americans up there, I could point to a few places around where I work where there are 'few' hostile Aborigines - I work in the CBD too.


If you are asking how could this place exist when nothing new has been done for years, the same goes for UFOs- since 40s but not much progress and yet some real cases (some - as in I know most are not) continue to happen to this day.

So does the fact that no one revealed what these UFOs are make them non existent even if talked about for decades? The same goes with this Dulce

Also I would suggest some Research before putting labels on people 'being crazy' like Schneider - crazy as in scared but as long as this 'suicide' of his is just suicide and the things he had taken away - I don't think you should consider him so crazy as to talk made up things, even if he may have sounded paranoid.

And Schneider is far nor the first, nor the last to make claims of its existence. Bennewitz, Castello, some other guys whose name I do not know... of course I will not go as far as the stories of Castello but...

see Norio Hayakawa has been in touch with another one who talked of its existence

People have seen vents, some have seen helicopters or other aircraft disappearing somewhere around this area as in - like landing.

And claiming there are no DUMBs is foolish because many other who have nothing to do with alien stories will tell you, yes there are such in the states and other continents as well..

So just like UFOs - there are real objects doing some weird and way high tech things, and the topic is for years, the topic of Dulce is with the same logic, just because not revealed, does not mean it is Excludable - of course I do not claim anything for a fact,I do not exclude it though.
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posted on Nov, 11 2012 @ 12:02 PM
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Originally posted by Imtor
What? Are you saying you believe the inter-dimensional nonsense!? Other sources regarding one claiming three visitations to have happened one was id remember when ,2nd in the 50s third in the 90s and when one was asked - there is no such thing, they are very real and flesh and blood. I don't remember where I read it, I think it was a lecture but I don't remember about what. And that is provided that aliens have come here.


Imtor I know we have discussed before that the interdimensional talk is mostly disinfo, but I have to question our physical reality and that of the alien physical reality. I believe in ghosts, mentalism, and even magic though magic is very rare. But I still believe there is more to the physical world than just what we think. Time and time again we saw that these aliens have the capability to change from a ball of light into a craft or use this technology for teleportation, yet I cannot deny the accounts of the aliens changing our visual perception. I am confident that a group of aliens can make you see one thing while the other person sitting next to you is seeing something else. This isn't technology but more like an advanced form of hypnotism, where they can psychologically make us hallucinate. We have to ask to what extent are these beings evolved if they can do those things? The conclusion is clearly just that the 3 dimensional physical world we live in is not the true nature of the universe. Our reality of time and space doesn't limit the aliens as the reality of a true magician would not be as limited to you or I. So again the bodies from Roswell may have been physical, but these beings are more like magical ghosts because they are not as limited as we are.


And if Lear gave the info to the counter-int to spread the lies to the public - ok the public gets the crap but when John Lear is asked he speaks completely outlandish things - I do not see how his story when he is asked is credible at all.

John Lear must be put on lie detector! He is saying wild stories every time


I was just writing about this in the Richard Hoagland thread, I don't know why disinfo agents like to muddy the waters so much, they think it will bring plausible denial and they urge for that greatly, all they want is to bring plausible denial. There is one thing though, and that is an intelligent person can always beat a disinformation agent psychologically, but a person who is not informed will not be able to. As far as Dulce, for anyone who can discern truth from falsehood would know that Bennewitz was investigating Dulce far before anyone knew about it - he was a private researcher who used science as his evidence and did not believe in disclosing his findings to the public. He proved to himself that we were being visited and counter intelligence attacked him. It is just far too obvious to me when looking at a person talk, with knowing collaborative information, if he is lying or not. And with counter intellgence, you have to understand they can lie twice and tell a truth, or tell 3 truths then lie. Dulce didn't come from Lear, it came from Manuel Gomez, Bennewitz, Hansen, Valdez, and the actual townspeople.



posted on Nov, 11 2012 @ 07:56 PM
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Originally posted by greyer
I was just writing about this in the Richard Hoagland thread, I don't know why disinfo agents like to muddy the waters so much....



"THE Richard Hoagland thread"?
Oh please, give me a link to that.
My interest? My signature should explain it.
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posted on Nov, 11 2012 @ 09:20 PM
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Originally posted by Imtor

Originally posted by AussieNutter
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Yes, but as gariac said, there's more than enough time to accumulate at least some specualtive, circumstantial evidence.



as gariac said


Is he a God that knows everything? I didnn't find it, therefore it doesn't exist - is a lame way to research. Also gariac seems to hang around Area 51, unless he dug rabbit holes in every perimeter under the Mesa... you know.


Not saying that at all. Just that I share his point of view, and that to convince me there needs to be more than wild claims and circumstatial evidence at best - my BS meter is set quite high most of the time.


If you are asking how could this place exist when nothing new has been done for years, the same goes for UFOs- since 40s but not much progress and yet some real cases (some - as in I know most are not) continue to happen to this day.

So does the fact that no one revealed what these UFOs are make them non existent even if talked about for decades? The same goes with this Dulce


I agree with you on this, however, there are concrete reports from multiple sources, physical evidence, and eyewitnesses to events that make these more credible.



Also I would suggest some Research before putting labels on people 'being crazy' like Schneider - crazy as in scared but as long as this 'suicide' of his is just suicide and the things he had taken away - I don't think you should consider him so crazy as to talk made up things, even if he may have sounded paranoid.



He was found dead in his apartment with a piano wire wrapped around his neck. According to sources, it appeared that he repeatedly suffered torture before he was finally killed
Source: www.burlingtonnews.net...

Doesn't sound like any 'suicide' that I've heard of. A piano wire garotte and evidence of torture? Sounds like a murder, but for who knows what - there are many reasons that this could have happened to him. Without knowing his background and circumstances it is impossible to make a difinitive call on his death, interesting yes. Not conclusive.

As for people who are "so crazy as to talk made up things, even if he may have sounded paranoid" - there is one US general being prosecuted under the stolen valour act, and there is this whole website dedicated to people who claim to be something that they're not. Why they do it? A complex? Attention seeking? Who knows, but ther are more than you think.

As for his claims of the military and especially SFOD-D being used to protect a stealth fighter whereever it lands is ludicrous. My common sense, BS meter or what have you goes off the chart here. Some of the people contained in the above website make ludicrous claims too.



And Schneider is far nor the first, nor the last to make claims of its existence. Bennewitz, Castello, some other guys whose name I do not know... of course I will not go as far as the stories of Castello but...

see Norio Hayakawa has been in touch with another one who talked of its existence


Didn't know about this one, off to do some digging.



People have seen vents, some have seen helicopters or other aircraft disappearing somewhere around this area as in - like landing


Hearsay is fine, but where are the photos, videos, the hard evidence, the proof?



And claiming there are no DUMBs is foolish because many other who have nothing to do with alien stories will tell you, yes there are such in the states and other continents as well..


I know they exist. What I find preposterous is the fact that a lot of these so called 'DUMBs' just appear, as I beleive this is what happened with Dulce - again to keep something like that quiet with the hundreds of contractors that would be needed to acheive the final fitout would be a monumental task, not to mention where does all the spoil from the dig/drill sites go?
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posted on Nov, 12 2012 @ 10:53 AM
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search 'Underground hidden reality and the death of Phil Schneider' - I think you will find it easily in YouTube

It's about two hours, from what I remember it talks about the life of Phil Schneider, has autopsy of his corpse and the conclusion was just that 'suicide is not excludable', some people there talk about some technolgy and energy we have but if the masses had that, the system would not live, and the current $y$tem is all about $$$.. but this video does not reveal anything about Dulce itself. There has been some documentation within the video that the Philadelphia experiment took place, but the evidence is too vague, just a small clue

I am glad you acknowledge the idea he was killed but even I being more open of him knowing something real to be happening or this underground facility, do not have any information of signs or marks showing he was tortured and killed - the video mentions the possibility of suicide

But come on, Hitler killed himself was nonsense, now seeing this guy and what he knows, I have said it before - killing himself just to look credible?? What for? LOL.. And he isn't THAT crazy, sorry if some are comparing him to someone who escaped the ASYLUM..

I think he is more credible than Lazar. Thomas Castello's story is you know ... too far fetched.. while Schneider seems to be ON TO smth - it is possible some of the things he said to be his mere interpretation/paranoia - depopulation, killing millions, On the contrary, it's not surprising and definitely into the power's capabilities

so not everything to be really experiencing it - though the ET stuff if true is enough. I am not sure what the photos are, there is no one around to have attended at his conference it seems.

So where is that info that he was tortured? I thought the evidence was so little they were 'certain' it is suicide



posted on Nov, 12 2012 @ 11:01 AM
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Imtor I know we have discussed before that the interdimensional talk is mostly disinfo, but I have to question our physical reality and that of the alien physical reality. I believe in ghosts, mentalism, and even magic though magic is very rare. But I still believe there is more to the physical world than just what we think. Time and time again we saw that these aliens have the capability to change from a ball of light into a craft or use this technology for teleportation, yet I cannot deny the accounts of the aliens changing our visual perception. I am confident that a group of aliens can make you see one thing while the other person sitting next to you is seeing something else. This isn't technology but more like an advanced form of hypnotism, where they can psychologically make us hallucinate. We have to ask to what extent are these beings evolved if they can do those things? The conclusion is clearly just that the 3 dimensional physical world we live in is not the true nature of the universe. Our reality of time and space doesn't limit the aliens as the reality of a true magician would not be as limited to you or I. So again the bodies from Roswell may have been physical, but these beings are more like magical ghosts because they are not as limited as we are.


I know where you're heading but if aliens are really here, then there can be more than one type, And if there is more than one type, some I've read may be able to change their state, but there is no magic LOL and not hypnotism, it is either high technology or mind powers that humans do not have, allowing to bend things in time and space. No magic.. but for this with dimensions and 'magic' I don't think such exist or the clues are too little

The clues for using their mind powers seems true, but I remember one source from a conference by I think Timothy Good (I may be wrong) who talkjs about one he'd known that told him no such things as other dimensional, they are in our reality - but maybe using some psychic powers... well I see the dreams I have tell me sometimes more, I think more developed brains may be able to do more things.




I was just writing about this in the Richard Hoagland thread, I don't know why disinfo agents like to muddy the waters so much, they think it will bring plausible denial and they urge for that greatly, all they want is to bring plausible denial. There is one thing though, and that is an intelligent person can always beat a disinformation agent psychologically, but a person who is not informed will not be able to. As far as Dulce, for anyone who can discern truth from falsehood would know that Bennewitz was investigating Dulce far before anyone knew about it - he was a private researcher who used science as his evidence and did not believe in disclosing his findings to the public. He proved to himself that we were being visited and counter intelligence attacked him. It is just far too obvious to me when looking at a person talk, with knowing collaborative information, if he is lying or not. And with counter intellgence, you have to understand they can lie twice and tell a truth, or tell 3 truths then lie. Dulce didn't come from Lear, it came from Manuel Gomez, Bennewitz, Hansen, Valdez, and the actual townspeople.


Plausible denial - I agree and I think this is a well known method in spying and all sorts of information/disinformation. It may very likely be what's happening with all the UFOs and aliens stories





 
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