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Originally posted by catwhoknows
reply to post by 19872012
Holocaust deniers are as ridiculous as climate change deniers - liars.
How can anyone deny something that happened? Tell that to the families of people who died in the Holocast, I say.
Originally posted by OzWeatherman
Sorry, thats just ridiculous
There is masses and masses of arhcived footage, and documentation that proves that there were concentration camps. And, there are also a few ATS members, who had family members that actually experienced the disgraceful living conditions and treatment, that would like you to say that to their face.
You sound like another anti-semitic Hitler sympathiser....another one on the boards
Originally posted by OzWeatherman
reply to post by 19872012
Does it really matter what number died?
Originally posted by catwhoknows
reply to post by 19872012
Yes,
It was all re-written, because people are liars.
But it happened.
Originally posted by gravitational
reply to post by 19872012
You are right.
The six millions Jews were not all murdered by the Wehrmacht or Waffen SS - Eintzgruppen . They were also murdered by their collaborators.
Ukrainians, Latvian, Lithuanian were also murdering Jews.
Croats and Chechen who formed the 'Ustaša - Croatian Revolutionary Movement ' and independently built and managed concentration camps.
And lest we forget the governments like Hungary and France, who eagerly turned their Jewish citizens to the hand of the Nazis, who sent them to be murdered in eastern Europe.
Originally posted by 19872012
Originally posted by gravitational
reply to post by 19872012
You are right.
The six millions Jews were not all murdered by the Wehrmacht or Waffen SS - Eintzgruppen . They were also murdered by their collaborators.
Ukrainians, Latvian, Lithuanian were also murdering Jews.
Croats and Chechen who formed the 'Ustaša - Croatian Revolutionary Movement ' and independently built and managed concentration camps.
And lest we forget the governments like Hungary and France, who eagerly turned their Jewish citizens to the hand of the Nazis, who sent them to be murdered in eastern Europe.
Have you ever considered the possibility that many of the Holocaust victims could have been killed by the Russians and just happened to be Jewish, and then it got lumped in with the Nazi stuff?
I just find it hard to believe so many countries would just hand over people like that to Hitler. It seems ludicrous to me, i'm amazed it's not questioned more than it is.
In 2004, he traveled to Ukraine, so he could see where his grandfather had been imprisoned during the war, and to pay respects at a memorial to the lives lost. Upon his arrival, he was shocked to discover that there existed not a single marking or commemoration to 1.25 million Jewish victims in all of Ukraine and Belarus. In order to right the egregious wrong, Father Desbois helped found Yahad-In Unum in 2006. The organization collects information about the mass killing of the Jews in Ukraine and Belarus between 1941 and 1944. Ukrainian contemporary witnesses are interviewed about the mass shootings which took place next to their home and the mass graves are located. Desbois estimates that there are no less than 1 million victims buried in 1,200 graves in Ukraine. Desbois conducts many of the interviews with the witnesses himself (and with translators). Using metal detectors, Desbois and his team have unearthed German cartridges and bullets from the pits where bodies were thrown, as well as jewelry belonging to the victims.[1]
Originally posted by Hefficide
The problem I see with the practicality of seeking to revise the "official" history is that, if the task were to be undertaken, then disparate groups would undoubtedly come up with staggeringly different interpretations of the available data - and then would stand vehemently by their own results - thus negating any benefit the exercise might have.
Originally posted by Amagnon
Originally posted by Hefficide
The problem I see with the practicality of seeking to revise the "official" history is that, if the task were to be undertaken, then disparate groups would undoubtedly come up with staggeringly different interpretations of the available data - and then would stand vehemently by their own results - thus negating any benefit the exercise might have.
.. and why I pray do you think that 'negates' the benefit? It is through encouraging a wide range of views and interpretations, and allowing open discussion of conflicting narratives (regardless of what underlying motives might be present) that we can develop an understanding of anything, whether contemporary or historical. It is called freedom of speech and thought - and it leads to divergent opinions, where intelligent observers must assess all the sources and information and make up their own minds.
Why is it, I find it more and more prevalent everywhere I look - that people simply want to be told - they want the 'right answer' - they do not want to think, they do not want a range of evidence, theories and views - they want someone in authority to tell them 'this is the truth - there you go - no more thinking required.'