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Originally posted by 19872012
Now I find this incredibly strange.
From Wikipedia, sourced:
Some Rothschilds were supporters of the State of Israel, although other members of the family opposed the creation of the state.[14] In 1917 Walter Rothschild, 2nd Baron Rothschild was the addressee of the Balfour Declaration to the Zionist Federation,[18] which committed the British government to the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people. Lord Victor Rothschild was against granting asylum or even help to Jewish refugees during the Holocaust.[14]
Originally posted by neformore
reply to post by PuterMan
You can try and pull apart my post as much as you like, but the simple fact is that the only reason people question the "facts" of the issue is because they have a problem with jewish people.
Historical accuracy is an excuse put forward to try and cover up that fact, in the same manner that the actions of the Israeli government today is also used as an excuse.
You will not find another subject anywhere so emotively "analysed" by people who have no interest in debating any other part of history.
There is only one reason for that.
Originally posted by neformore
You will not find another subject anywhere so emotively "analysed" by people who have no interest in debating any other part of history.
There is only one reason for that.
Originally posted by PuterMan
Do you see survivors of other genocides making such an issue of it? No.
The Jewish Holocaust is NOT the biggest genocide in human history but it is the one that is protected by law in five countries against open discussion, and by very powerful lobbies in others, and that disgusts me.
Originally posted by OzWeatherman
You sound like another anti-semitic Hitler sympathiser....another one on the boards
Originally posted by neformore
And there you confirm it for me... thanks. You have an issue with jewish people
Please list me the five countries where it is illegal to discuss the holocaust? Thanks.
Originally posted by PuterMan
Countries where Holocaust denial laws exist:
- France
- Spain
- Austria
- Switzerland
- Belgium
- The Netherlands
- Israel
- Poland
- The Czech Republic
- Slovakia
- Romania
- Lithuania
- Germany
OK a few more than 5. I was just going from memory.
Originally posted by PuterMan
Your retort is just so typically childish and emotional of the type people who seek to defend all things Jewish without any opening for reasoned and reasonable debate, in other words to block anything that they don't like. That sort of attitude has no place on ATS, or indeed anywhere else for that matter.
Please list me the five countries where it is illegal to discuss the holocaust? Thanks.
Perhaps you should take the time to read the thread.
If you are not capable of forming a reasoned argument and debating an issue openly perhaps you should consider whether you should be on ATS at all let alone being a moderator.
By the way I see you are West Yorks. I used to live in Moortown, Leeds and if you know anything about Leeds you will know that that is (or was when I was there) a predominantly Jewish area. Do not presume to foist your prejudices upon me.
Originally posted by PuterMan
Maybe my term discuss was misleading, but when it boils down to it discuss=deny in the minds of people like yourself.
Countries where Holocaust denial laws exist:
- France
- Spain
- Austria
- Switzerland
- Belgium
- The Netherlands
- Israel
- Poland
- The Czech Republic
- Slovakia
- Romania
- Lithuania
- Germany
OK a few more than 5. I was just going from memory.
Originally posted by neformore
If you have no problem with jewish people, why would you - in your words - describe me as beign one of the "type of people who seek to defend all things jewish withouth and opening for reasoned and reasonable debate"?
After all, if you have no problem with them why would that be an issue?
You won't find me making any excuses at all for the actions of the Israeli government. In fact you will, if you look at my posts, find me openly condeming them. You will also find that I tend to call a spade a spade, and if a person, or group of people from any race or religious denomination does something stupid, I tend to describe it as exactly that.
What I don't do, however is hide behind cliches, or try and pretend I'm something that I'm not.
Please list me the five countries where it is illegal to discuss the holocaust? Thanks.
Ah. The mod card. What you mean here is "I can't counter your argument effectively so I'm going to try and make out you shouldn't be a moderator." Sorry but thats just plain sad and smacks of desperation on your part.
Maybe, just maybe, if you look through my posting history you will find that I've been openly debating the Holocaust issue since I first became a member of ATS four years ago and before I was a moderator. Maybe you'll also find that I have done more than my fair share of research on the subject.
Maybe, instead of hiding behind thinly veiled retorts about my status as a mod here, you could look some of those things up - you might learn something. You might also then understand how I have formed the opinion that I have.
You describe me as being one of the - "type of people who seek to defend all things jewish withouth and opening for reasoned and reasonable debate" -and you compain about my "predjudices"?
Where you live is not an indication of how you view people by the way. Hitler spent his late teen years in Vienna which had a large jewish population.
Originally posted by neformore
Ah. There you go. Not illegal to discuss. Illegal to deny.
Big difference there, don't you think - its a standard tactic used by deniers to claim its illegal to discuss the holocaust when its simply not the case. Denying it happened completely is a different matter altogether.
And no, discuss does not equal deny in my mind. If it did, why would I be discussing the subject with you?
However, my premise remains. People who wish to deny and revise have a problem with jewish people - if they didn't the subject wouldn't bother them at all.