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Sad practice and really a scary thought to see so many westerners follow Jewish indoctrination.
Actually this is a common misconception. There is no archeological evidence to suggest that circumcision was 1st practiced by Jews & there is abundant anthropological evidence to suggest that male genital mutilation is a phase that many societies go through. Therefore, since the Sumarians were around for about 5000yrs, its likely that the practice, in the ME, began with them.
Originally posted by daggyz
Anything to eventually get angst aimed back at the Jews. I wonder if Hitler mentioned circumcision as a slight against them?
Originally posted by Kailassa
Originally posted by frozenspark
If we are born with it, then it is there for a reason.
According to The Gospel of Thomas, Jesus would agree with you.
His disciples said to him, "Is circumcision useful or not?" He said to them, "If it were useful, their father would produce children already circumcised from their mother.
Originally posted by Binder
Perhaps a good basis for a study. Test the sensitivity of the skin below the glans of a circumsized man, and how much area is how sensitive, and compare it to the foreskin of an uncircumsized man, how much area is how sensitive. Also the age at which circumcision occured if it did. Then we would have empirical evidence of whether or not we are throwing away an erogenous zone(that would be terrible) or if the brain can rewire to make what is left a comparable erogenous zone if the circumcision is done at an early age, or if it also occurs later. This would make for a very good research project if there are any medical students out there looking for material. Two schools of thought on this matter. One school is that the anatomy matters, and the other school is that orgasm as well as any other experience occurs in the brain regardless of anatomy. It would be definitive work.
ADULT CIRCUMCISION OUTCOMES STUDY
The reduction in erectile function was statistically significant. Some men were unable to have erection after the procedure but even those who were able to have sex with the same partner before and after the procedure reported worsened erectile function. This difference remained significant when adjusted for age and co-morbidities. Some comments were: "Erections are shorter time now." "Penis smaller. Now have erectile dysfunction."
The reported decrease in penile sensitivity that resulted from circumcision bordered on statistical significance. Men who had sex with the same partner before and after circumcision reported greater reduction in penile sensitivity than other men. How men viewed the decreased penile sensitivity differed: "Somewhat less sensitivity helps prolong intercourse." " I had been warned that I would lose sensitivity, but overall, I feel that I was not completely informed."
The all responders group reported worsened erectile function and decreased penile sensation, as well as decrease in sexual activity that was not statistically significant. However, men in the same partner group actually reported increased sexual activity but this too was not statistically significant. The comments were mixed: "No sex drive." "Sex is a lot better."
Fine-touch pressure thresholds in the adult penis (pdf)
The glans of the circumcised penis is less sensitive to fine touch than the glans of the uncircumcised penis. The transitional region from the external to the internal prepuce is the most sensitive region of the uncircumcised penis and more sensitive than the most sensitive region of the circumcised penis. Circumcision ablates the most sensitive parts of the penis.
Circumcision Results in Significant Loss of Erogenous Tissue
A report published in the British Journal of Urology assessed the type and amount of tissue missing from the adult circumcised penis by examining adult foreskins obtained at autopsy. Investigators found that circumcision removes about one-half of the erogenous tissue on the penile shaft. The foreskin, according to the study, protects the head of the penis and is comprised of unique zones with several kinds of specialized nerves that are important to optimum sexual sensitivity.
Circumcision Decreases Sexual Pleasure
A questionnaire was used to study the sexuality of men circumcised as adults compared to uncircumcised men, and to compare their sex lives before and after circumcision. The study included 373 sexually active men, of whom 255 were circumcised and 118 were not. Of the 255 circumcised men, 138 had been sexually active before circumcision, and all were circumcised at >20 years of age. Masturbatory pleasure decreased after circumcision in 48% of the respondents, while 8% reported increased pleasure. Masturbatory difficulty increased after circumcision in 63% of the respondents but was easier in 37%. About 6% answered that their sex lives improved, while 20% reported a worse sex life after circumcision. There was a decrease in masturbatory pleasure and sexual enjoyment after circumcision, indicating that adult circumcision adversely affects sexual function in many men, possibly because of complications of the surgery and a loss of nerve endings.
Researchers Demonstrate Traumatic Effects of Circumcision
A team of Canadian researchers produced new evidence that circumcision has long-lasting traumatic effects. An article published in the international medical journal The Lancet reported the effect of infant circumcision on pain response during subsequent routine vaccination. The researchers tested 87 infants at 4 months or 6 months of age. The boys who had been circumcised were more sensitive to pain than the uncircumcised boys. Differences between groups were significant regarding facial action, crying time, and assessments of pain.
The authors believe that "neonatal circumcision may induce long-lasting changes in infant pain behavior because of alterations in the infant’s central neural processing of painful stimuli." They also write that "the long-term consequences of surgery done without anaesthesia are likely to include post-traumatic stress as well as pain. It is therefore possible that the greater vaccination response in the infants circumcised without anaesthesia may represent an infant analogue of a post-traumatic stress disorder triggered by a traumatic and painful event and re-experienced under similar circumstances of pain during vaccination."
Circumcision Study Halted Due to Trauma (Of Researchers)
Researchers found circumcision so traumatic that they ended the study early rather than subject any more infants to the operation without anesthesia. Those infants circumcised without anesthesia experienced not only severe pain, but also an increased risk of choking and difficulty breathing. The findings were published in the Journal of the American Medical Association. Up to 96% of infants in some areas of the United States receive no anesthesia during circumcision. No anesthetic currently in use for circumcisions is effective during the most painful parts of the procedure.
Originally posted by Jim Scott
Clotting is highest in the human body at 8 days after birth.
I have the benefit of seeing this from the other perspective. I was not circumcised. The result was tramatic. The foreskin grows onto the glans of the penis. At the age of four, I had to have four adults hold my arms and legs down so the doctor could cut the foreskin away from the glans. It hurt for a week. No anesthetic. Given a choice, I would rather have been circumcized at 8 days than butchered at 4 years old. I remember it.
Clinical Practice Guidelines
The normal foreskin is attached to the glans and is non-retractile in most newborns. Over time the foreskin separates and becomes retractile. The proportion of boys with retractile foreskins is: 40% at 1 year, 90% at 4 years and 99% at 15 years.
* Non-retractile foreskin is a normal variant and needs no intervention. It is different from true phimosis (see below).
* The foreskin should never be forcibly retracted for cleaning. Once it becomes freely retractile naturally then the boy should retract it as part of routine bathing.
See, that your 1st comment was to jump straight to "orgasm" speaks volumes. I enjoy a good gaz the same as anyone else, but I also enjoy the physical communication just as much. The time when the conscious mind is sort of anaesthetised, but a part is still there kind of dreamily conscious of whats going on & paying attention to my partner. Its the most real contact we can ever achieve with another person.
I was taught that the orgasm was caused by release of tension in the pelvic floor muscles (could be the wrong name or muscle, but around there), so stimulation, although pleasurable is input into the main show.
You can jump off you soap box now.
Well, as I've imputed, I do have much more experience on this subject to impart, which, as I stated earlier, is no Kinsey research, but is a considerable body of knowledge nonetheless. However, I've asked 27jd some socratic questions, so, in the spirit of good debate, I'll wait to see if/what he replies before going on.
I can't, and wouldn't argue about sensual experience. As you are correct that neither set has the frame of referrence to refute, or confirm either way.
Originally posted by AdAbsurdum
Originally posted by SLaPPiE
I don't know one cut man that wants his skin back.
You do now.
The UK's Health Protection Agency attribute the rise in STD diagnoses in recent years to increased rates of testing, improved diagnostic methods, and an increase in unsafe sexual behaviour among young people.1
Anyway, before I get on to answering the rest of this post & your next reply to me, since you & I are having something of a debate, I wonder if you would be prepared to honestly answer 3 socratic questions?
1) Are you bi-sexual, or have you ever had any homosexual experiences?
2) Approx how many sexual partners have you had?
3) Have you ever watched another man having sex (I dont mean porn, I mean right in front of you)?