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Originally posted by Crimelab
The "pancaking" supposedly started at the points of impact. If this is the case, why did the tops of both towers disintegrate on the way down? Wasn't it the huge mass above the weakened struts that supposedly caused the collapse? If so, why do you see the tops of the buildings disintegrate before hitting the ground?
Originally posted by Crimelab
That just doesn't make sense at all. If anything, since the buildings were weakened on one side more than the other, that means a symmetrical collapse like we saw is extremely unlikely, if impossible. That is what I can't understand and have not seen anybody even try to explain. Two 110 story steel structured buildings disintegrated from the top down. Explain with physics how that is possible please.
Originally posted by curious_soul
It would be more convincing and helpful to show an audio analysis of the collapse to show the spikes (detonations) in a graph beside the video of collapse. They are kind of hard to hear and it may take a few viewings before you actually hear them, but as someone already mentioned if you pay close attention between 0:42 and 0:47 you'll hear them. You could even filter out the background noise to hear only the detonations also.
Really, an audio engineer or someone knowledgeable in audio software really needs to analyze this new video. I also noticed what appear to be squibs coming out from the left side during the collapse. It would be nice to see if these detonations match the timing of the squibs.
Here is a 3 part series where someone did just that with an other video.
(LT : it's the Rick Segal video, 911 Eyewitness, which showed that Rick was filming ALL day on 911 what happened on the other side of the Hudson River, where he stood on a Hoboken Pier just near the waterfront, with a camera on a tripod, so that the camera's audio picked up also sound waves that propagated through the salty waters of the Hudson River, besides the obvious air propagated sounds.It was many times discussed in the past years, but this audio analyzes I did not see before. I have asked before to analyze the effect the water will have had on all the sound we hear and see in this kind of videos, since there must be doubles in it, from the faster water bound waves compared to the slower air bound waves. The same original low frequency sound would arrive two times at the same microphone ! But I do not see obvious pairs of signals spread out in this analysis, just as I did not see them in similar other analyzes. That probably proves that Rick's microphone did not pick up low frequency sounds passed through the river. His tripod probably had rubber dampers. )
It shows the full spectrum of sound and indications of explosions. I've only watched the first part, but it shows what kind of analysis I'm talking about.
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rebelforgod
1 year ago
Who is the greater fool? The fool himself, or the one who argues with him?
I give NO pretenses here, Only do I show just what I see.
You look for yourself, for the interpretations are your responsibility too.
I used MixW communications software to display the audio spectrum, and the A/V is from Richard Segal's DVD: Eyewitness, from Hoboken Pier.
Check it out yourself, for the software's a free download, and "Eyewitness" has been available as a google download, but DVD audio is best.
rebelforgod 1 year ago
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rebelforgod
3 years ago
If Prescot Bush can found the CIA and stock it with Communists and criminals. If G.H.W. Bush can sponsor the JFK killing, then become CIA Director and President. If Clinton can sponsor Bush's Cocain & become Prez, then baby George Bush can terrorize NYC & Pentagon so his corporate buddies can carpetbag America into paying a trillion for a WagTheDog War.
rebelforgod 3 years ago
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rebelforgod
3 years ago
Yes, I am paranoid, as anyone who has been on a battlefield becomes. My aircraft were shot at by a scud in 91, and I personally have been shot at eight times by city cops, and twice by Mexican Military drug smugglers inside Arizona (I was trying to video them, but they saw me first).
rebelforgod 3 years ago
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rebelforgod
3 years ago
Also, Illinoise cops tried to chainwrap & dump me in a river. Oregon cops tried to plant a bagie of white powder on me during a false arrest. I've documented corrupt court proceedings over 3 years, discovered a truck per month Meth factory just west of Snowflake, AZ., and found Catron County, NM has 4% of it's residents are listed as unsolved murder cases (how many more murders are unlisted?). This is the real USA today.
rebelforgod 3 years ago
How To Brainwash A Nation
From: TPOCS | May 13, 2009 | 244,849 views
This amazing interview was done back in 1985 with a former KGB agent who was trained in subversion techniques. He explains the 4 basic steps to socially engineering entire generations into thinking and behaving the way those in power want them to. It's shocking because our nation has been transformed in the exact same way, and followed the exact same steps.
You are kidding right?... They collapsed when SEVERAL FLOORS which had several tons of debris fell on top of other floors, which added more debris, hence more weight and which caused the underlying floors to have less, and less resistance as more and more weight was added from each collapsed floor...
... It is not "beyond the capabilities of a jetliner, and the trickle down effect to have caused the buildings to collapse at the speed they did...
STOP TWISTING WHAT I AM SAYING.... LEARN TO READ... I said because of more weight THERE WAS LESS AND LESS RESISTANCE...
So our equation tells us that it will take 9.2 seconds to free-fall to the ground from the towers' former height.
Using our simpler equation, V = GT, we can see that at 9.2 seconds, in order to reach the ground in 9.2 seconds, the free-falling object's velocity must be about 295 ft/sec, which is just over 200 mph.
But that can only occur in a vacuum.
On page 305 of the 9/11 Commission Report, we are told, in the government's "complete and final report" of 9/11, that the South Tower "collapsed" in 10 seconds. Here is the exact quote: "At 9:58:59, the South Tower collapsed in ten seconds". (That's the government's official number. Videos confirm that it fell unnaturally, if not precisely that, fast. See for yourself: QT Real)
But as we've just determined, that's free-fall time. That's close to the free-fall time in a vacuum, and an exceptionally rapid free-fall time through air.
The official collapse timing is not "10 seconds", that is a cherrypicked number from a summary. You can time the collapses yourself and discover they last much longer, the lower bound is 14-15s.
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occurred in the upper portion (Figure 3), which was immediately followed by a total collapse
top down in about 10-12 seconds.
At 9:58:59, the South Tower collapsed in ten seconds, killing all civilians and emergency personnel inside, as well a number of individuals-both first responders and civilians-in the concourse, in the Marriott, and on neighboring streets.
Originally posted by beebs
So should I be scared that MIT has totally missed the boat on this one?!
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And what about the 9-11 Commission?
The values are 2/3g acceleration for WTC2 and 3/4g for WTC1. These may have been revised since but as far as I know they are still the most accurate we have.