Manual on How to Molest Children Is Legal, Cops Say

reply to post by zerbot565

planing someones murder is illegal
planing to overthrow a government is illegal

how can planing to molest children not be illegal ?

Damn if that isn't the truth as I see it...
But, I'm not in charge...

Why not get a hold of SweetLiberty via U2U?
She's going to talk to Detective Phillip Graves as soon as he's back from vacation on Tuesday.

I'd love to hear his reply when putting the question to him exactly as you've worded it.

Or maybe give him a call yourself?

Keep in touch
peace

reply to post by InfaRedMan


So you're saying that people don't kill other people only because it's illegal and if there was no law people would kill others ?

I don't kill people not because it's illegal but because I think it's wrong to deprive another of their life.

People who kill others don't care about the law statistics prove this that where there are laws in place which say "don't do x" people still do x if they really want to.

A law is in place not to prevent a crime but to punish a person after the crime has been committed, no laws will prevent people from doing what they really want to do.

Now I'm not saying we shouldn't have laws but I'm just making the point that people don't do or do things because of legality they do or don't these things based on their morality of whether they think it is right or wrong! Sure the law can help disuade the more morally weak but ultimately it's not going to stop a person if their heart is set on it.

The law has said this book is ok, therefore by your logic you should also think it's ok, however you don't think it's ok because of your morals.

reply to post by silo13


You mean it would be legal for me to write a book on how to locate and identify potential child molesters and maim or kill them....

as long as I am not caught in the act of doing what I suggest?

Banning a book in this case is as justifiable as murder of innocent people during a war.

Collateral damage is a given in many cases and it should be acceptable here.
Ban the book and arrest the man for inciting, and promoting child abuse.

The fact that there is a manual like this out there sickens me, but let's face it, everything is downloadable on the Internet, legal or not.

I wonder what this 'Mule' guy's plans are with this manual, surely no respected publisher will publish this piece of crap and no bookstore that want's to keep it's rep up will sell it.
And even if the two above do.... a child molestor that is stupid enough to walk into a store to buy the manual.... well, that's asking for trouble.
I wish some did and I wish I was right there behind him at the counter...
Then what? you know what? Let's stone him right outside the bookstore! (sarcasm intended)

point is, unless they download it from the net (which they already can on hundreds of sites together with a lot of other filth) this manual will never have 'succes' in public.

Fine, the manual is legal... Take ownership of it, make it available for easy and free download to anyone interested, then track them down and add them to the watch lists, surveillance of their activities should be mandatory.

Use the goddamned thing for some good and catch some pedophiles.

reply to post by rusethorcain

You mean it would be legal for me to write a book on how to locate and identify potential child molesters and maim or kill them....

I don't know. I'm not an officer of the law in any capacity whether that be cop, judge, lawmaker, etc. All I am is the 'jury'. And this jury member says if it's legal for pedophiles to write books on how to entrap children then it's just as legal for you to write a book on how to catch them and burn them at the stake.

as long as I am not caught in the act of doing what I suggest?

That seems to the crux of the situation yes.

Banning a book in this case is as justifiable as murder of innocent people during a war.

I'm not sure I follow you on that one. I for one don't believe there is any justification in killing innocents. In war, or outside of it, but I think I see where you're going with it.

Collateral damage is a given in many cases and it should be acceptable here.
Ban the book and arrest the man for inciting, and promoting child abuse.

I agree.
BUT (and there's that BUT again) - but - well...
Let me put it this way.

Pedophiles use the internet to swap kiddy porn, to find and groom children, to pray on the innocent.

So, does that mean restricting the internet to those who can prove they're not pedophiles is correct?

Or, one step less, not further, that in order to use the internet we should all be forced to have 'Net I.D' so those of us who are less desirable members of society can be tracked and convicted?

See the conundrum? I mean by your way of thinking (if I get what you're saying and please I do not mean to presume) but by your way of thinking our internet anonymity should be sacrificed, be the 'collateral damage' in order to stop those using the internet for nefarious reasons?

On a personal note:

I hate this. Because all I want to do is AGREE with you. BAN the freakin thing and find the *Bleep* who wrote it and roast him (or her) like chicken on a stick.

But I can't. Because we ban that book? There'll be no stopping those who we've given the RIGHT to keep us SAFE from banning anything THEY see fit... Or taking our internet privacy, etc.

peace

reply to post by GypsK

I wonder what this 'Mule' guy's plans are with this manual, surely no respected publisher will publish this piece of crap and no bookstore that want's to keep it's rep up will sell it.

A member of NAMBLA might purchase it. If they were allowed. And it was legal. And there was people willing to sell it - which there are - anything to make a buck you know.

Don't get me wrong, it just goes beyond my acceptable horror levels, but...

But please, tell me how we can give the government a right to ban 'this' manual, and not 'that' book or manual. 'That' being a guide to something you and I would not find controversial, but the government would?

Do you really think if we put the power to 'ban' this manual on the internet, (or out) that freedom as we know it would not be compromised beyond repair?

I'm just asking.

peace

reply to post by rusethorcain


You could just easily use what you say to support freedom of speech and say that collateral damage in the form of offensive material is acceptable in order to keep Freedom of Speech intact

This is ONE SICK BOOK it should be banned. im all in favor of public demonstrated book burning on this one. sick sick sick
I find it really oddd, at least under bush's regime, we could be arrested for saying bomb online, in an airport, its just a word* a book on how to harm and casue them future anger problems is legal* yeah, freedom of speech, but thats a thin line too. i could make a book, how to make a bomb or weapon, but ide be under investigation, even though i mean no harm..its something in reality we all can use and learn, by human nature. how to touch and fondle children, is and commit whats considered the most heaneous of crimes...and he is allowed to walk amongst us.
Mafia people have written books too. Popularity along with freedom of speech protected them. supreme court, federal judges should ban the book* if we live in a culture, that can ban certain death metal bands form playing, heavy metal too, and allow parental advisory lyrics being posted on album covers, which are words...then the book should be the same.

reply to post by Discotech


Not if you value life over speech.

Originally posted by zerbot565
planing someones murder is illegal

This is true. But writing or buying a book about how to murder someone is NOT illegal. There's a subtle difference. Writing and reading are not planning.

how can planing to molest children not be illegal ?

It is illegal. But writing or reading about it is not illegal.

This is free speech, people. This is when the support of free speech is MOST important. When the subject is something you abhor!

reply to post by rusethorcain


Books don't kill people

reply to post by Benevolent Heretic


so your implying i can make a manual on how to overthrow the u.s goverment , including vital locations and details on where to plant bombs for the best effect and how to shut down powerplants and that is all legal with in freedom of speech ?

reply to post by Discotech


You're purposefully twisting and contorting the spirit of my post and creating your own subtext. Therefore I see no further purpose in discussing the issue with you.

IRM

I have always been wary lately about too much freedom and pro-activeness but I'd never thought that I'd see something like this in my lifetime. Then again, I shouldn't be surprised anymore in this day and age, everything seems to be up for grabs. I do hope that this isn't some kind of preparation to turn people against freedom of speech or freedom in general.

reply to post by InfaRedMan


I'm sorry you see it that way.

My point wasn't intended to twist what you had said it was to point out that we really don't need certain limitations and that morality outweighs legality.

You may have been innocent in your belief for certain limitations but all those limitations lead to are what we have now in the form of nanny states and responibility being taken away from us leading us into an irresponsible society, which we do indeed currently have where people do not take responsibility for their actions and instead would rather lay the blame on anything but the person responsible for their actions.

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
This is free speech, people. This is when the support of free speech is MOST important. When the subject is something you abhor!

A person with strict Libertarian leaning should find this to be a no-brainer. And this site is chock full of "Libertarians," yet when something like this comes up, they are strangely silent or vocal in opposition.

Odd. .

The law only restricts freedom of speech when said speech leads to "imminent lawless action." As others have stated before, this does not fall into that category.
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[edit on 9/6/2010 by clay2 baraka]

I've been reading the comments about this book and I've seen nothing but emotional knee-jerk reactions.

Yes, the book subject is absolutely sickening. Sexual violence against the most vulnerable of society deserves the severest of punishments.

But, seriously it's just a book! It does what every other bound or ringed ream of pages does: distribute information.

Now, before anyone gets their "throwers" ready, take the moment to let this bit of thought permeate the gray matter.

--- The information provided in this book is just that, information. It's how the information is used by the reader that should determine wrongfulness. Hasn't one person thought that this book is a god-send for parents, schools and law enforcement?

'The Mule' just went and made information, meant solely for the use of predators, available to the public! Now, those in society out to protect children have a volume of information into the minds and modes of these sickening people.

This is exactly the kind of advantage that books like these give the members of a community. People write these books to provide information on how to hurt children but in the end, in the hands of the right people, the information becomes critical in the mitigation and subsequently the elimination of such crimes.

The same can be said for how-to manuals from other criminal topics, like terrorism and gangs.

Seriously, the "Not-In-My-Backyard" mentality shown by some is laughable.

[edit on 9/6/2010 by mistafaz]

reply to post by mistafaz


That is actually a valid point. The book should be read by every parent so that they may be better educated and informed as to the methods used by child molesters. In the hands of alert and involved parents, the information in the book would be used to protect children.

Child molesters are going to do what they do, as a parent, wouldn't you like to know what to look out for?

Originally posted by zerbot565
reply to post by Benevolent Heretic

 

so your implying i can make a manual on how to overthrow the u.s goverment , including vital locations and details on where to plant bombs for the best effect and how to shut down powerplants and that is all legal with in freedom of speech ?

Lol! Guy, if you make that book, it would only be helping the government in identifying the weak spots shown by you. I would call you an upstanding citizen for your efforts because you have alerted the public to what the vulnerabilities are and how to mitigate them! Plus, you will have made some money doing it too!