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Originally posted by Erase
reply to post by Arrowmancer
I began a reply to your post, but the numerous logical fallacies gave me a headache. There's no bible allowed in a court house because church and state are supposed to be separate, and a bible in a court house is a huge breach of that.
Freedom to assemble? As long as you fit the criteria required for an assembly permit, you're free to assemble. What's wrong with that? By that malformed logic, people should be allowed to just get behind the wheel of a car without a permit; after all, people can be denied their license right? Right?
Freedom of Press, I don't understand why you want absolute full disclosure to the PRESS of all things.. what if sensitive documents were seen in press publications by the wrong people? Don't you understand that what you're asking of the government is the exact thing the OP is complaining about?
There is Freedom of Speech, but there should be obvious limitations when the content of the Speech violates cultural/societal norms in a negative manner.
Please don't respond to this post without debunking my premises.
Originally posted by VneZonyDostupa
Originally posted by 5MaveN5
I hate to beat a dead horse, and I could be incorrect in how the law is applied. But I would assume that anyone that sells anything on a website would have a business license, or be paying a franchise tax, or at least be paying income tax on any money earned.
Incorrect. They were specifically taxing people using the Goodle AdSense program, which allows you to put ads on your site for free and generate a few cents per click. Some people only make a couple bucks a month, some make thousands, depending on how popular their blog it.
When you sign up for this program (I've done so in the past), all you give them is personal and bank info. You don't need (and aren't offered) any sort of business license.
Well, first, there are only logical fallacies in the mind of the thinker. This may not fit in with your idea of logic, but it fits in perfectly with mine. Which will lead you to believe I'm an idiot, I'm sure, but that's OK, too.
You are not guaranteed a separation of church and state. Nowhere is that even mentioned. What you are guaranteed is a separation of state FROM church, and those two things are completely different. At the base level, the courthouse I used as an example is property of the citizens. We bought and paid for it, we can do with it what we wish, within reason. It's stated that congress can't pass a law concerning an establishment of religion. IT doesn't say that religion can't cross the other way. If what you say about the separation is true, than why is it stated that are rights are 'endowed by our creator'? Nonspecific as to who or what that creator was and is an excellent example of how the First is misunderstood and misrepresented.
I appreciate you making my point for me. Abridging the right to assemble. There's no malformed logic here. Abridge: to curtail; diminish Being required to acquire a permit that can be rejected by the issuer is a possibility of abridging that right. Having a single stipulation or requirement for the granting of such a permit is a violation of the First Amendment.
I don't think all information should be given to the press. But alot more than what is given. If transparency existed, at least to a degree, then the majority of the problems we face domestically and abroad wouldn't exist, and the ones that DO exist would exist and be understood by the citizenry. It's our right to be informed. I understand there are and always be situations where we can't be completely informed, but the level of understanding we currently have is comical. If you think that what I'm complaining about is backing up the opposing side of the OP's argument, allow him or her to say so. I think that it is backing up the OPs side.
I will be the first to admit a mistake, and I have no problem changing my opinions if I realize that they are based on lies, falsities, or truly broken logic. But the 'Headache' comment was unnecessary. I respect your opinion even if I don't agree with it. I'll debate with you in a courteous manner without trying to insult you.
I can hope that in the future, you'll do the same.
Originally posted by truthiron
reply to post by ofhumandescent
What I find alarming is the gradual infusion of the points brought out here are to the newer America is what they will uphold vehemetly. You see it all the time in the replies given here on ATS in so many replies. I'm 79 and the America that was bountiful and free is no longer and now will never be again. What we see is saddening indeed. Thanks for the thoughts.