Obama Disclosure TV Spot?

Originally posted by theMegaladon
Hahah yes exactly, the infa red footage of birds and bugs just ruins my childhood memory's any more. No.. no longer the great story tellers of ancient Greece, nope all we get in a youtube flooded with a CSETI knockoff doing whippets in some Arizona desert while Greer rips off his MUFON polo shirt like hulk hogan while you hear "oooohhhhh aaaahhhhhhhh" then a fancy laser show for the affordable price of $1000 to $5000 a pop, depends what row you are sitting in.

They are just mercenaries, more concerned with dirty lucre than the aesthetic , the storytelling.

I could pull off a much more convincing hoax.

reply to post by DoomsdayRex


Yes you could pull off a much more convincing hoax. But you don't need to. The massive amount of pure ignorance of the many who are interested in this subject means you can show darn near anything and as long as you tell them something they want to hear. The sad truth about the modern status of this subject.

Day in and day out we are bombarded with the most ridiculous things. While I have seen more and more people as of late get hip to this around here, I am upset at the fact that for every one person who grows a brain in this subject, he/she is replaced by 10 ignorant fools who cancel them out. Until we can reverse this trend we have to be content wading through the cesspool of ignorance and wishing that this subject can be taken seriously by your average Joe.

The diamond in the rough doesn't stand a chance with this signal to noise ratio. I don't care what that diamond is, unless we clean this subject up it is doomed to nothing more than brief news coverage (with the obligatory host's chuckles) and useless internet discussion.

This subject has become nothing more than entertainment and a way to kill a little time for those interested in it I fear.

I know my previous answer was a bit sarcastic; however I can never understand why people think that someone in government will be the point of disclosure.

If the government does in fact know aliens are visiting and have contact with them, they would more than likely be in an agreement to use their technology for secret projects, which would make disclosure an impossibility.

If the government is aware that there is an alien presence above the earth and are not in contact with it and have no means of communicating with it, and are otherwise helpless, do you think they would disclose that?

If the government does not believe that there is an alien presence above the earth, and are using the sightings of secret projects being reported as UFO’s or alien craft, do you think that the government would come forth only to have government projects, that they have been able to keep secret, brought into the public eye?

These are just three scenarios, but you can see from just these three why disclosure no matter what it may be would most likely not be a reality any time soon.

Kinda like "CHANGE" and "TRANSPARENCY", there may be "DISCLOSURE", but it may not be the disclosure we were expecting.




Someone tell me this is Photoshop, PLEASE.

reply to post by Alxandro

What does that have to do with this thread?

I respectfully ask you to keep your political trolling out of this forum. I believe there are forums here on ATS where they enjoy that sort of thing.

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I'm sorry if you were offended by the pic but I was not trolling.

Read my first line again, my point is perfectly valid.

reply to post by IgnoreTheFacts


Pretty much sums it up.

Isn't it funny how Ufology has come full circle? We are back to the 1950s UFO cults, "contactees" and other sci-fi related strangeness.

Modern Ufology has more to do with cults and religion than any serious scientific research. 100 years ago people who wanted to "believe" saw the Virgin Mother in the backyard of their farmhouse. Today people who want to "believe" see little gray creatures sneaking into their bedrooms at night. Ponder the religious symbolism. Many of us, especially in the developed nations, have replaced the old religions with new ones. In this way, Ufology serves a purpose in that it supplies people with a new mythos, new legends, new martyrs/saints and a new "secret" way of understanding the universe that the uninformed debunkers and skeptics can not comprehend.

Some people are waiting for the day Jesus returns to Earth, others are waiting for the day the government discloses the "Truth".

If I had more free time I think I'd like to write a book on this whole subject.

I get excited every month when the new date for disclosure arrives even though it never happens. As excited as I am, I fear how FOX news will spin it the next day. ET lands and says that they come in peace. That's what they want us to believe, so that we can drop our guard while they invade. That sounds just like something HITLER would do! Are you going to stand there and do nothing while they take your homes and guns away and force America to accept SOCIALISM?

Originally posted by MrAndy
I get excited every month when the new date for disclosure arrives even though it never happens. As excited as I am, I fear how FOX news will spin it the next day. ET lands and says that they come in peace. That's what they want us to believe, so that we can drop our guard while they invade. That sounds just like something HITLER would do! Are you going to stand there and do nothing while they take your homes and guns away and force America to accept SOCIALISM?

Only if it happens during a Democrat administration. If it happens during a Republican administration, MSNBC will be doing the same spin, replacing "guns" with "social security" and "socialism" with "fascism".

Originally posted by DoomsdayRex

Originally posted by Pimander
Just in case you IgnoreTheFacts do not forget that there are at least 50 ex-military and ex-intelligence service whistle blowers who have admitted (some of them on their death-beds) that contact with extraterrestrials is already happening. The chances are they aren't all lying so that means the government may well be 'concealing something'.

Who are these people? And what are the exact chances?

They include:
"All Apollo and Gemini flights were followed, both at a distance and sometimes also quite closely, by space vehicles of extraterrestrial origin - flying saucers, or UFOs, if you want to call them by that name.

Every time it occurred, the astronauts informed Mission Control, who then ordered absolute silence."

Maurice Chatelain
Former Chief of NASA Communications Systems

AND

"At no time, when the astronauts were in space were they alone: there was a constant surveillance by UFOs."

NASA Astronaut Scott Carpenter

There are loads. I will summarise and start a new thread at some point but you only have to do a quick google search for others. I am intending to have an extremely close look at the whistleblowing so far but my preliminary research has indicated that many ARE credible. Do you have ANY EVIDENCE AT ALL that they are lyeing?

Originally posted by DoomsdayRex

Originally posted by Pimander
The alternative is of course that the whistleblowers are disinformation agents (possibly unwittingly in many cases). What then, if we DO NOT ignore the facts, would be the purpose of orchestrating this MASSIVE red herring? Enlighten me...

That is the only alternative?

Well it is certainly an alternative! My point was if they are telling the truth then the debate needs to move on from where you are (I can imagine you squirming at the thought) or if they're lying on somebodies behalf. Do you think that YOU might be able to contribute to the discussion in a meaningful way and perhaps offering more likely alternatives?

You can't tell me that astronauts need to lie to get attention surely? That really would be stretching it!

Listen Doomsday, not all ATS members are foolish enough to simply accept that there can be huge volumes of disinformation but there is nothing to hide. If all you can contribute is to ask ATS members to ignore some evidence then you are simply holding back a debate.

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Thru reading of various subjects, both here, and other places, I'm getting the notion that disclosure, or something just as crazy, has more to do with celestial mechanics than anything else.

Astronomers and physicist have learned quite a lot in the last century about how our solarsystem works. About its engine and how that engine moves. And they have learned more about how the entire SOL moves and interacts within the galactic plane. I get the feeling that it is all due to timing, that when we (planet, SOL, galactic arm, ect) are in the right place, and therefore, the right time, extraordinary events in the heavens will be more prevalent.

I feel that such events (right place right time) has happened before, and all that is left to show for it are clay tablets and such. I am keeping an eye on such things, but I will dread such an actual event (or events) because it will be a very rough ride to say the least.

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Originally posted by Alxandro
reply to post by Spangler

 

I'm sorry if you were offended by the pic but I was not trolling.

Read my first line again, my point is perfectly valid.

I agree -- I thought it was a funny play-on-words (i.e., "Transparent", "Disclose", and stuff from Victoria's Secret).

That wasn't necessarily a political statement. You can agree or disagree with Mr. Obama's political ideology, or how well or poorly he is doing his job, and still think that was funny.


[edit on 8/30/2010 by Soylent Green Is People]

Originally posted by Pimander
...do not forget that there are at least 50 ex-military and ex-intelligence service whistle blowers who have admitted (some of them on their death-beds) that contact with extraterrestrials is already happening. The chances are they aren't all lying so that means the government may well be 'concealing something'...

Let's stipulate there are 50 potentially believable whistleblowers...

Perhaps only some of the 50 are lying. Perhaps some others only think they have evidence of ET contact. They wouldn't be lying -- they would just be mistaken.

lets talk about just the  astronauts,
(never mind the other credible witnesses)
  they are the picked from the best
of the most highly trained military pilots in the world.people that are trained to
fight with jet aircraft that at times are going faster than the speed of sound,
tracking enemy aircraft ,and then engaging them.talk about having your #  together !

 now your trying to tell me that they have no idea what there talking about ?

do you have a clue how ignorant you are?

Originally posted by zigoapex
do you have a clue how ignorant you are?

I suppose you are talking to me?

Can you tell me the specific reports of astronauts who have evidence that we are in contact with ETs that AST member 'Pimander' mentioned a few posts above? The reports I'm thinking of were about UFOs, not ET contact. A UFO is certainly unidentified, but not necessarily an ET craft.

I'm not talking about some astronauts' reports of objects in space seen in the distance during some missions (the reports I'm thinking of have valid non-ET explanations)...

...nor am I talking about Dr. Edgar Mitchell, whose personal opinion is that we are in contact with ET, but has stated that he did not learn "secret information" as an astronaut pertaining to ET contact -- it's strictly his personal opinion (everyone is allowed personal opinions about ETs -- even former astronauts).

By the way, there is no reliable source for the Scott Carpenter quote. Carpenter himself claims he never said that (of course, you can counter-claim that he DID say that, but now says that he didn't -- under threat of government reprisals).

Please specify which astronaut reports claim that we have had contact with ETs that you are talking about so I can respond specifically rather than generally.

(I mean, heavens knows I don't want to continue to be 'ignorant' -- or even 'clueless' for that matter )




[edit on 8/31/2010 by Soylent Green Is People]

I don't actually believe any of this, I just made a thread for the sake of making a thread..The stimulus being a remembrance of a past thread..I tend to post immediate thoughts and then be ridiculed as a crazy Steven Greer/Bob Lazar type believer and I don't even know who those people are so....Lay Off. I believe in life elsewhere and an elite agenda, nothing more, nothing less.

Originally posted by Pimander Do you have ANY EVIDENCE AT ALL that they are lying?

At no point did I say any of them were lying. You are making that assumption without basis, purposefully trying to twist my words. I asked who was making these claims, nothing else. As a matter of fact, you are the only one here who has suggested they are lying...

Originally posted by Pimander
The alternative is of course that the whistleblowers are disinformation agents (possibly unwittingly in many cases).

Originally posted by Pimander
My point was if they are telling the truth then the debate needs to move on from where you are (I can imagine you squirming at the thought) or if they're lying on somebodies behalf.

As for the two quotes you supplied, you may want to ask our friend and resident NASA historian James Oberg about Mr. Chatelin.

In the case of Mr. Carpenter, he claims to have never said the above quote. In fact, in an interview with the Cincinnati Enquirer, Carpenter stated he does not believe aliens are visiting the Earth. Source

Originally posted by Pimander
You can't tell me that astronauts need to lie to get attention surely?

At no point did I accuse them of lying. That is a straw man of your own devising.

Originally posted by Pimander
Listen Doomsday, not all ATS members are foolish enough to simply accept that there can be huge volumes of disinformation but there is nothing to hide.

Now I am a disinformation agent for asking a question?

Originally posted by Pimander
If all you can contribute is to ask ATS members to ignore some evidence then you are simply holding back a debate.

When and where did I ask anyone to ignore any evidence? Again, you are making assumptions you have no basis for.

Originally posted by zigoapex
now your trying to tell me that they have no idea what there talking about ?

No, that is not what Solyent is saying. However, astronauts are not infallible creatures. They are still human beings and subject to a human beings flawed perceptions.

Consider what astronaut Dr. Jerry Lindberger had to say about his UFO sightings during his time on Mir...

"Sometimes I looked out of the window and I could see a metallic thing like a spoon flying methodically. The biggest problem in space is that it is very hard to judge distance. It could have been a spoon or a space ship thousands of miles away.

Source

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Cheers to Torsion for absolutely making my day, and proving that Sarcasm is NOT in fact the lowest form of humor!

Originally posted by Soylent Green Is People
I'm not talking about some astronauts' reports of objects in space seen in the distance during some missions

Yet when you ask for evidence of an astronaut claiming first-hand knowledge of alien life on Earth, all you get are UFO sightings...along with being called ignorant or a disinformation agent.

Originally posted by Soylent Green Is People
...nor am I talking about Dr. Edgar Mitchell...

Or they will misquote Dr. Mitchell or rely on an appeal-to-authority...

Originally posted by Soylent Green Is People
By the way, there is no reliable source for the Scott Carpenter quote. Carpenter himself claims he never said that (of course, you can counter-claim that he DID say that, but now says that he didn't -- under threat of government reprisals).

Timothy Good does that in Above Top Secret. It is special pleading, rationalizing evidence contrary to your beliefs so that it is twisted to fit your beliefs.

Originally posted by Soylent Green Is People
Please specify which astronaut reports claim that we have had contact with ETs that you are talking about so I can respond specifically rather than generally.

My friend, I think our sons will be old men before that happens...

Originally posted by Soylent Green Is People
(I mean, heavens knows I don't want to continue to be 'ignorant' -- or even 'clueless' for that matter

)

You're ignorant and I'm a disinformation agent. We've really got the kids feathers up today, don't we?