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Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. (Romans 13:1-7)
Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established.
The authorities that exist have been established by God. Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. (Romans 13:1-7)
Originally posted by bogomil
What 'christians' are you talking about? Or do you mean 'Paulinites'. To my knowledge the 'christian' sect based on the teachings of Peter and James (Jesus' disciples) was declared more or less heretical 325.
It should be expected, that Jesus' direct disciples would be in a position of knowing, what the man talked about, so this implies, that 'christianity' consider Jesus' teachings heretic also.
Originally posted by The Djin
reply to post by NOTurTypical
Hmmm, shouldn't this be a thread bashing Judaism??
Naw, I've never had a jew try and tell me how to live, this is a good (and just) old christian bash.
Originally posted by bogomil
It was James and Paulus, who really couldn't stand each other, leading to Paulus' estrangement from the original Jesus-crowd (in normal language: He was kicked out).
This is ONE typical example of the 'christian' paranoia/megalomania (vicitim/perpetrator) syndrome, where 'christians' seem to be unable to get along with anybody, not even other 'christians'.
Paulus fabricated his own theology of grace, redemption and trinity, starting with OT material. Without this OT material, his whole system would come crashing down in ten seconds flat.
Peter and James interpretated the OT material differently, and this conflict lasted until Constantine supported the Pauline group politically. and excommunicated the remaining judeo-christians from 'THE church'.
According to your own statements in your answer to Djinnie, you must be a Paulinite. I.e. not a 'real' christian. Does the new covenant, which Jesus allegedly made, also include Paulinites? JUst asking.
So every and any authority is your gods' authority .
So by your reasoning then Islamic authority is established by your god and you should submit to Islamic authority.
This also raises the issue of a god that changes its' mind, if laws that are established by a god change the one cannot get around the fact that the god has changed it's mind.
Since the yahwhe /jesus god is alleged to be unchanging you've created a contradiction either your god is or is not unchanging.
Your trying to have your cake and eat it my friend and it simply doesn't work it simply digs you a bigger hole.
If you decided for whatever reason to live in Iran you agree to submit yourself to the Iranian authority, as by your own reason this authority is established by yawhe/jesus.
The authority in question rejects your "holy" spirit and also "jesus" as its' savior so by your own reasoning your god is instructing you to commit yourself to an eternity of torment.
What a repugnant creature your god seems to be my friend .