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Can we talk about the Jesuits for once?

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posted on Aug, 23 2010 @ 10:44 AM
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yes, now that i read more of your link i see your point.
this is why i ask questions a lot, sometimes we have preconceived notions in our heads that are pretty far from the truth.
quite interesting really. when i first began reading, i thought it was explaining what i wanted to hear.
thanx.




posted on Aug, 23 2010 @ 05:45 PM
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Here's a link, followed by an excerpt, to a pretty interesting interview with Eric Jon Phelps, probably the world's foremost researcher on this subject:

www.remnantofgod.org...




Phelps: The Jesuit General is the absolute, complete, and total dictator and autocrat of the Order. When he speaks, his provincials move. The provincials are his major subordinates. There are around 83 provincials right now. As I understand it, the Jesuit Order has divided the world into 83 regions. Ok? For each region, there is a Jesuit provincial. There are 10 provincials in the United States. There is one for Central America. There is one for Ireland. They’ve divided up the world into these provinces. So it’s old Babylonian provincial government, centered in Nebuchadnezzar or the Jesuit General himself; so it’s strictly a Roman form of government where all the states or provinces are subordinate to this worldwide sovereign.





The reason why Kennedy was assassinated was he wanted to end the Vietnam War, and he wanted to end the rule of the CIA. That begets two questions: Did Rome want the Vietnam War? And, did Rome control the CIA? The answer is yes on both counts. We know, on its face, that the Vietnam War was called “Spelly’s War”—Cardinal Spellman’s war. He went over to the warfront many times and he called the American soldiers the “soldiers of Christ”. The man who was the Commander of the American forces was a Roman Catholic, CFR member, possibly a Knight of Columbus, I don’t know, but he was General William Westmoreland. So, Westmoreland was Cardinal Spellman’s agent to make sure that war was prosecuted properly. And another overseer of Westmoreland was Cardinal Spellman’s boy, Lyndon Baines Johnson. Lyndon Baines Johnson was a 33rd-degree Freemason. He was also part of the assassination, with J. Edgar Hoover, another 33rd-degree Freemason.



posted on Aug, 23 2010 @ 06:08 PM
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Ok, my question is, if the Jesuits are so powerful, what can you tell me about their plan for the world? And if Jones and Icke scoff at them, does that imply that the NWO is also a distraction. So if Jones is against Global Warming, for example, does that mean the Jesuits are also against Global Warming? So in other words they really hate Al Gore? Or is the whole thing just one patsy group against another?



posted on Aug, 23 2010 @ 06:14 PM
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you're telling on yourself.
you crossed the jesuits over to the evil ones agenda via pagan and past lives. thus showing your lean toward dark agendas.
it goes with the jesuit thread who seem to be getting recognition here.



posted on Aug, 23 2010 @ 06:45 PM
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Originally posted by GBP/JPY
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you're telling on yourself.
you crossed the jesuits over to the evil ones agenda via pagan and past lives. thus showing your lean toward dark agendas.
it goes with the jesuit thread who seem to be getting recognition here.


Really ?

Could you please explain how you reached such a bizarre conclusion ... a random sweeping statement will not suffice because it provides neither context nor validity.

It's very possible that I am just being a little slow here but please elaborate on the following;

#1 How am I 'telling' on myself / to whom am I doing the telling / and what exactly is it that I am telling about ?

#2 How did 'I' cross the Jesuits via Pagan and Past-lives ?

#3 Who are the 'evil ones' that you speak of and what makes them specifically evil ?

#4 What have I said in this thread specifically (or any other thread generally) that shows I have a 'dark agenda' and what exactly do you personally consider a 'dark agenda' ?

#5 Can you please explain what the last line of your post means as I can't seem to understand the point you are making.

In return I am very happy to answer any questions you would like to ask me in an effort to understand why I feel the need to ask for clarification.

My only contribution to this thread prior to this post was to point out the fact that the OP had made two identical posts in seperate forums (which he/she has since explained), so please pardon my confusion.

I look forward to your reply with interest.

Woody



posted on Aug, 23 2010 @ 06:51 PM
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You may have missed Phelps' other website:

Vatican Assassins


Not sure if I buy into his theories though. He seems to go way over the top with his rhetoric.


Anyway, enjoy.



Edit to add: Way, way, WAY over the top...


If the Satanically-motivated Society of Jesus successfully drives all North American Whites into the Black Pope’s “New Right” Jesuit Fascism led by an American military dictator, there will be another Jewish Holocaust, this time in apostate White Protestant North America. The Holy Roman 14th Amendment, Socialist-Communist, Corporate-Fascist American Empire (1868-Present) with its annexed Canadian satellite will be the killing floor for the “perfidious Jews” always targeted by the Vatican for annihilation.


Jewish Holocaust Coming to America if Whites are Driven into New Right Fascism


If there's any truth to the Jesuit conspiracy theories, this guy will put a quick end to them with his wild speculating.

[edit on 8/23/10 by FortAnthem]



posted on Aug, 23 2010 @ 07:55 PM
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I do agree that some of his statements can be a bit outlandish, if you will. Despite this, he's one of a very few "conspiracy researchers" that I believe are not in the pocket of TPTB, like Icke, Maxwell, Wilcock and Jones are. I've actually read from a few sources that the Jesuits consider him quite a threat. Whether they consider him a threat because of slander or because he's actually telling the truth is up for debate. I personally choose the latter. His own independent research and testimonies he's gathered do coincide with the testimonies of Rivera, who I do believe told the truth about the Jesuits and probably paid for it with his life. To me, men like Rivera and of course Cooper are true American heroes, not these Vatican hacks like Alex Jones.



posted on Aug, 23 2010 @ 08:10 PM
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He might be just a little bit more credible if he didn't have to throw around the term "The Holy Roman 14th Amendment, Socialist-Communist, Corporate-Fascist American Empire" in dang near everything he writes.


Like that guy who calls Obama the "long legged Mac daddy", it's hard to take someone seriously when they constantly resort to silly name-calling.



posted on Aug, 23 2010 @ 09:07 PM
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I have never heard of this "Jesuits" Are you wiling to make a tread?
A few links to real historic reference would be nice.

Sorry i don't research secret societies so maybe thats why i have never heard of them.



posted on Aug, 23 2010 @ 09:42 PM
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Perhaps a better source may be Malachi Martin and his book The Jesuits



In The Jesuits, Malachi Martin reveals for the first time the harrowing behind-the-scenes story of the "new" worldwide Society of Jesus. The leaders and the dupes; the blood and the pathos; the politics, the betrayals and the humiliations; the unheard-of alliances and compromises. The Jesuits tells a true story of today that is already changing the face of all our tomorrows.


This book seems to be more about the Jesuits support of liberation (communist) theology in south America.

Although it seems Martin also published another book "Jesuits : Revolt of Angels" which is no longer in print although some used copies can be found for a very cheap price.



posted on Aug, 23 2010 @ 09:42 PM
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I'm just about done with pdf entitled "Secret History of the Jesuits", I've had this file for awhile now but just got around to reading it. Let me tell you these guys were BAD. They have been behind uprisings, wars, over throwing governments, assassinations and much much more. I've got about 150 pages read of 197 and I'm into WWII now. These guys were helping the Nazi's in so many ways and were sanctioned by the Pope. This file is well footnoted and not just someones opinion. I think this may have been a book that was once published, I found it in a newsgroup a few years ago.



posted on Aug, 23 2010 @ 09:46 PM
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I think I found it:

The Secret History of the Jesuits



posted on Aug, 23 2010 @ 10:21 PM
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Originally posted by FortAnthem
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I think I found it:

The Secret History of the Jesuits


That's It!

Sometimes it's a drag to get through and I think thats because the author might be an accomplished academic and you know how much they hate to write in 'common english'...lol It sure sheds a different light on the Jesuits and The Vatican. That read is not all the dirt on the church, I read some of Tony Bushby's work on the Nexus Magazine website awhile back on the history of the Popes, that'll really knock your socks off...lol



posted on Aug, 23 2010 @ 10:35 PM
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When you get done with that read try these on for size, they'll make a good Catholic cry...lol

The Criminal History of the Papacy - Part 1

The Criminal History of the Papacy - Part 2

The Criminal History of the Papacy - Part 3



posted on Aug, 24 2010 @ 05:20 AM
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Originally posted by FortAnthem
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I think I found it:

The Secret History of the Jesuits


Thank you for the link. I've been looking for that online for awhile. I got through the first couple of chapters. It's a tough read. It's written pretty poorly.

Just as a side note, and take this as you will, but the original publisher of the book before Jack Chick was the Grand Orient Freemason Lodge in Paris. Interesting, eh?

[edit on 24-8-2010 by ModernDystopia]



posted on Aug, 24 2010 @ 06:44 AM
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About the jesuits, you will find a wealth of information about them here:

www.overunity.com...

I also believe the jesuits and the other western secret societies have some eastern Masters, just like the last German emperor pointed to Tibet.

Anyway, they will all come down in a few years, just like the rest of the evil spectre. I prepare myself for the future through self cultivation in Falun Dafa.

www.falundafa.org...



posted on Aug, 24 2010 @ 06:53 AM
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Originally posted by filosophia
Ok, my question is, if the Jesuits are so powerful, what can you tell me about their plan for the world? And if Jones and Icke scoff at them, does that imply that the NWO is also a distraction. So if Jones is against Global Warming, for example, does that mean the Jesuits are also against Global Warming? So in other words they really hate Al Gore? Or is the whole thing just one patsy group against another?


So no one wants to answer my question? If Alex Jones is a Jesuit, which people are always saying on his website and then complaining that their comment was removed, how does this affect Jones' beliefs? What does this mean then if the Jesuits control the world? How does it differ from say, the Bilderberg theory?



posted on Aug, 24 2010 @ 07:17 AM
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Originally posted by filosophia
Ok, my question is, if the Jesuits are so powerful, what can you tell me about their plan for the world? And if Jones and Icke scoff at them, does that imply that the NWO is also a distraction. So if Jones is against Global Warming, for example, does that mean the Jesuits are also against Global Warming? So in other words they really hate Al Gore? Or is the whole thing just one patsy group against another?

I believe it is a case of one patsy group verses another patsy group. Being Pro-Climate Change or Anti-Climate Change does not matter; that they are fighting vocally against each other and condemning the other camp, that is their purpose. Global Warming/Climate Change is now an issue that appears to commonly divide people across the world.


So no one wants to answer my question? If Alex Jones is a Jesuit, which people are always saying on his website and then complaining that their comment was removed, how does this affect Jones' beliefs? What does this mean then if the Jesuits control the world? How does it differ from say, the Bilderberg theory?

I do not believe Alex Jones is a Jesuit. It is more likely that he is considered "controlled opposition" to groups like CFR, Bilderberg and the idea of an NWO. As for how those groups are connected to the Jesuits, I couldn't say. They are likely subordinate organisations that have to answer to instructions given by the Black Pope and his advisors.

You never know with these things. The whole idea of the Jesuits being so powerful could be just another Wild Goose Chase where people are being lead away from the real truth (ANOTHER distraction).

[edit on 24/8/2010 by Dark Ghost]



posted on Aug, 24 2010 @ 07:49 AM
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Originally posted by filosophia

Originally posted by filosophia
Ok, my question is, if the Jesuits are so powerful, what can you tell me about their plan for the world? And if Jones and Icke scoff at them, does that imply that the NWO is also a distraction. So if Jones is against Global Warming, for example, does that mean the Jesuits are also against Global Warming? So in other words they really hate Al Gore? Or is the whole thing just one patsy group against another?


So no one wants to answer my question? If Alex Jones is a Jesuit, which people are always saying on his website and then complaining that their comment was removed, how does this affect Jones' beliefs? What does this mean then if the Jesuits control the world? How does it differ from say, the Bilderberg theory?


It's all connected. The Bildberberg "theory" coincides with the Jesuit theory. The Black Pope is at the top of this food chain. His orders are passed down to the Vatican who then passes those orders down the Illuminati heirarchy. The Jesuits and the Knights of Malta control The Bilderberg Group, along with the CFR, Committee of 300 and many others. Bilderberg was founded by Joseph Retinger (Jesuit priest) and Prince Bernhard (Knight of Malta).

So yes, the Bilderberg Group is obviously very powerful, but the point is, they aren't at the top. It's built entirely on hierarchy, it's how the Jesuit Order/Catholicism has always been. Even Hitler has been quoted as saying how much he admired the Jesuit Order for their hierarchy. Himmler even admitted that the SS hierarchy was heavily influenced and inspired by the Jesuit's hierarchy.



posted on Aug, 24 2010 @ 08:51 AM
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According to my investigations and beliefs the jesuits are high but the Tibet monks are higher and probably control the western secret societies very well, using the Jesuits as their chosen henchmen since the 17th century when the Jesuits set up their bases(monasteries) in and around Tibet. The CCP obviously controls China and opposes the hat monks.

I read a novel from the 30s where they spelled it out in plain. All western military intelligence powers rely on black magic and the Tibet monks are the best at it. The Jesuit monks could not compete with the hat monks in that discipline called "Zhuyou Ke, the 13th discipline", note the number 13 originates from there(Illuminati and other shadow organization uses that number as a symbol - it comes from China) etc etc).

Swedenborg also said it, the hat monks are the people doing evil deeds by using dark magic in China.

Remember the obvious links between the SS(jesuit) general Himmler and his arcane obsession and all the German expeditions to Gobi and Tibet to find out more dark secrets. What were they really after? Black magic.

One could say China is truly the center of the world as the old saying goes. All good and evil originates from China it seems.

PS: Look at the number of "Tibet Dharma" centers in the US:

www.tibetoffice.org...

The CIA financing:

www.straight.com...

Pretty massive setup for a region aspiring to be a country...


[edit on 24-8-2010 by Gaussq]



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