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Can we talk about the Jesuits for once?

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posted on Aug, 24 2010 @ 08:54 PM
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Originally posted by Gaussq
According to my investigations and beliefs the jesuits are high but the Tibet monks are higher and probably control the western secret societies very well, using the Jesuits as their chosen henchmen since the 17th century when the Jesuits set up their bases(monasteries) in and around Tibet. The CCP obviously controls China and opposes the hat monks.

I read a novel from the 30s where they spelled it out in plain. All western military intelligence powers rely on black magic and the Tibet monks are the best at it. The Jesuit monks could not compete with the hat monks in that discipline called "Zhuyou Ke, the 13th discipline", note the number 13 originates from there(Illuminati and other shadow organization uses that number as a symbol - it comes from China) etc etc).

Swedenborg also said it, the hat monks are the people doing evil deeds by using dark magic in China.

Remember the obvious links between the SS(jesuit) general Himmler and his arcane obsession and all the German expeditions to Gobi and Tibet to find out more dark secrets. What were they really after? Black magic.

One could say China is truly the center of the world as the old saying goes. All good and evil originates from China it seems.

PS: Look at the number of "Tibet Dharma" centers in the US:

www.tibetoffice.org...

The CIA financing:

www.straight.com...

Pretty massive setup for a region aspiring to be a country...


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Are they actually called the "hat monks"? Google returns nothing.




posted on Aug, 25 2010 @ 06:12 AM
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Sorry:

factsanddetails.com...

www.britannica.com...

en.wikipedia.org...

battleofearth.wordpress.com...

www.iivs.de...

www.iivs.de...

Well, they sure seem to be hat monks, all of them..

PS: I add this link: www.kagyu-asia.com...

Quote from that text: An upside for the Dalai Lama?
But there may be an upside for the Dalai Lama. The Tibetan leader has embraced Urgyen Trinley since his arrival from Tibet and he is now in effect under the Dalai Lama's control. In contrast, the late 16th Karmapa was a thorn in the side of the Dalai Lama and his exile government, as he challenged their control over the Tibetan exile community.

There are even allegations the exile government put a murder contract out on the 16th Karmapa. Some older Karma Kagyu followers still suspect the Dalai Lama of using black magic to kill the 16th Karmapa, who died of cancer. Such extreme views, however, are not held by the majority of Tibetans.

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posted on Aug, 25 2010 @ 07:00 AM
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So, is the "black" pope, just the pope?

And the problem with this is, someone can come along and claim some order is higher than the Jesuits, or since this is common knowledge, the Jesuits will change their organization to something else. The hierarchy is impossible to clearly define unless you have an insider, and then there is always a doubt if it is a hoax or not. All anyone can really do is recognize the manipulation through history and know that the "hidden hand" is one organized unit and not coincidence or separate isolated incidents.



posted on Aug, 25 2010 @ 07:35 AM
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You are right and the thing is it does not really matter who is the highest. What is clear is that there is a hidden hand and it stems from higher dimensions.


I remember clearly Master Li Hongzhi has pointed to the aliens, they were creating our current one-dimensional science for mankind since the industrial revolution began, making human beings loose faith in their Gods, blindly believing in this very limited science. In the process our moral deteriorated and we lost all meaning of life and all touch with Gods.

That is where the key lies I believe. Whether these aliens use Tibet monks or jesuits really does not matter at all to them, they are just a replacable tool in their process. The aliens want to replace human beings by clones. To make this possible they must make us loose all connection to our Gods. Because Gods are infinitely more powerful than aliens.



posted on Aug, 25 2010 @ 08:13 AM
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Originally posted by ModernDystopia
It's all connected. The Bildberberg "theory" coincides with the Jesuit theory. The Black Pope is at the top of this food chain. His orders are passed down to the Vatican who then passes those orders down the Illuminati heirarchy. The Jesuits and the Knights of Malta control The Bilderberg Group, along with the CFR, Committee of 300 and many others. Bilderberg was founded by Joseph Retinger (Jesuit priest) and Prince Bernhard (Knight of Malta).

So yes, the Bilderberg Group is obviously very powerful, but the point is, they aren't at the top. It's built entirely on hierarchy, it's how the Jesuit Order/Catholicism has always been. Even Hitler has been quoted as saying how much he admired the Jesuit Order for their hierarchy. Himmler even admitted that the SS hierarchy was heavily influenced and inspired by the Jesuit's hierarchy.


So lets throw another 'Iron into he Fire'. I was just watching a video on the Rothschilds, don't have the link handy, I found it on Google/video, and it was on the Rothschilds Timeline, the video is well over two hours long, poorly done and a drag to watch as far as videos go but it had a wealth of information in it. In there it stated that the Rothschild's took over all the financial affairs of the Vatican back in 1823. It was one of the Rothschilds that stated something to the effect that he who controls the money controls the world. So trying to get to the 'top of the food chain' in all this is difficult, the Jesuits in my opinion are more of a law enforcement arm of the Vatican, but then look at who controls all the money. As a side note, there are a couple versions of the Jesuit Oath floating around on the internet and if there is any truth to them at all it's mind blowing.



posted on Aug, 27 2010 @ 01:32 AM
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www.jesuits.ca...

www.shambhala.mn...

Well, I saw somewhere they even started a jesuitism-Tibetan Buddhist centre at Harvard or MIT now, can´t remember which school it was anymore..

The link is definite between the jesuits and the Yellow Hats.



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posted on Sep, 23 2010 @ 06:07 PM
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Originally posted by nagabonar
Maybe the part that is fueling the conspiracy about Jesuits, is that they are present in major educational and social institutions all around the world, in nearly every country of the world, with their own assigned regions. Here is a map of the 10 assistancies of the jesuits:



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Well, this is fascinating, because I've just been reading about the Jesuits, and in the article it says that the world is ruled by 'l0 kings'.

In fact, the article I've just read is very interesting, and quite a few dots started to join up for me. I am starting to believe that the 'shadow government' is the Jesuits. It seems they aren't Christians but are Luciferians.

Their art of deception and dissimilation has created many organisations and movements under different names - Zionists, Communism, Knights of Malta, Freemasons, etc, You name it, they seem to have created it - they play all parts, all roles.

It seems that the head of the Jesuits is, as another poster has said, the most powerful man in the world. Apparently he is the head of every single intelligence agency in the world. JFK saw this and wanted to disband the US intelligence community, wanted to stop the Jesuit instigated Vietnam war and wanted to dismantle the Jesuit instigated Federal Reserve. So they killed him.

They wrote the Elders of Zion, it is their agenda, which we can clearly see is being followed to the letter.

I think th Jesuits are the 'dark forces' which JFK referred to in his famous speech to the press, and which other past presidents have referred to.

It also makes sense that all those who are in power are put there by the Jesuits, and are therefore Luciferians or are so compromised that they are blackmailed into being a Luciferian stooge.

If you're interested in reading it, here's the link to the article: www.meguiar.addr.com...



posted on Sep, 23 2010 @ 07:06 PM
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Its much more than just the Jesuits.

You also got the Curia (the foreign representatives of the vatican) The fransiscans, who have probably a more checkered history than even the Jesuits. The Domicans and many many other catholic orders.

I do not only agree, but know without a doubt that the papacy, the high priest of Rome, is at the head of this international structure. Hasnt changed for 2200 years... Not just the Vatican either, its mainly a joint operation between the aristocrats of Europe, who, elect a particular person to stand as the 'vicar' of christ, ie; god incarnate on earth as pope of Rome. A major player in this is the massimo family of Rome, who trace themselves back to the Maximi family and the much earlier Fabia family of ancient Rome.. Theres a whole mystical philosophy to how all this works. Should study gnosticism, and the whole western esoteric tradition to understand it.



posted on Sep, 23 2010 @ 08:07 PM
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Originally posted by dontreally
Its much more than just the Jesuits.

You also got the Curia (the foreign representatives of the vatican) The fransiscans, who have probably a more checkered history than even the Jesuits. The Domicans and many many other catholic orders.

I do not only agree, but know without a doubt that the papacy, the high priest of Rome, is at the head of this international structure. Hasnt changed for 2200 years... Not just the Vatican either, its mainly a joint operation between the aristocrats of Europe, who, elect a particular person to stand as the 'vicar' of christ, ie; god incarnate on earth as pope of Rome. A major player in this is the massimo family of Rome, who trace themselves back to the Maximi family and the much earlier Fabia family of ancient Rome.. Theres a whole mystical philosophy to how all this works. Should study gnosticism, and the whole western esoteric tradition to understand it.


Yes, no doubt that the Poop is also a Luciferian, and is at the very top, alongside the head of the Jesuits. I'm not sure which one of them is the highest ranking, I need to a bit more research on that. And the aristocrats of Europe too. All the various religious bodies - including the Dominicans, etc, are all sub-groups.

Iran's Ahmadinejad is one of them too. He's a satanist and is on good terms with the Poop. Basically all those with power slot into the hierarchy somewhere, but what interested me particularly is the joining up of the dots. Some of those in powerful positions are 'puppets', some are lower down in the hierarchy - what I hadn't been able to clarify for myself until now was who were the faces at the top, and how the top figures linked up. I'm sure this also extends to countries like Japan and China as well, although I'm unfamiliar with the 'aristocracy' over there.

It's interesting to note also the play on the double-meaning of 'God'. When they talk of 'God', it's double speak. They use the word in full knowledge that they mean Lucifer and the rest of us mean the biblical God, or universal creative force.

Interesting to note also that they promote communism, especially interesting in light of what's going on in US politics, and with the NWO socialist agenda.

World domination, imposition of world communism seems to be the name of the game.



posted on Sep, 24 2010 @ 01:11 PM
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Originally posted by wcitizen


World domination, imposition of world communism seems to be the name of the game.



And Tibet was the origin of the communism invention, they spread the concept through the Jesuits who used Marx as their puppet.

The Tantric Tibet Lamas can go in two directions depending on if the develop Shan(Compassion) or not. Demon king is the choice of those who have no compassion. The jesuits hooked up with the Tibetans during the 17th century I believe, they used many north Indian/Tibet bases for this purpose, to learn some black magic. There was a jesuit priest who boasted about how they controlled the China emperor from Paris with black magic during the 19th century. Of course the Tibet allies were in control of those secrets.

I remember the last German emperor after having been dismantled by the Nazis said the Buddhist priests ran all the western secret societies and the jesuits were their chosen henchmen in the West. That book came out around 1935 and was quickly buried..

Also the Russian forces found all those dead Buddhist priests in Berlin at the end of WWII.

Today their main opponent for world power is the CCP(incl power over Russia).



posted on Sep, 24 2010 @ 01:24 PM
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"Can we talk about the Jesuits for once?"



A decent reminder OP


Although ATS has talked about them quite few times. But why not talk again?

I thought that Herman Von Rompuy, the current president of EU, has Jesuit conncection or even is one by himself. He is also reported to be very much against about Turkey becoming EU member state - most likely because Religious reasons.

But he would deserve his own thread. In fact he does! Here. Also there are few threads about Jesuits.

Search ATS for Jesuits, Van Rompuy, Black Pope etc... They often pop up. But not too often I guess


-v


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posted on Sep, 24 2010 @ 01:29 PM
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Originally posted by ModernDystopia

Originally posted by catwhoknows
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I am saying the so-called Jesuits have nothing to do with Jesus.


Oh, indeed. The same can be said about all modern Catholics.


Maybe you shouldn't speak of things you know nothing about. You're pissing me off and your ignorance is showing. Get that mess covered up will ya?


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posted on Sep, 24 2010 @ 01:55 PM
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Originally posted by alonzo730
My people (Haudenosaunee) tortured, killed and ate a number of Jesuit missionaries before the Catholic church succeeded in converting them. I always thought they were the military arm of the church. Militia Christi. The priest at our local parish is a Jesuit. He doesn't have any power any more. A number of my friends have done ceremonies at the church to negate the negative influence the Jesuits had on our people. Today only old people go there.


One thing can be said for them, though...they did not promote the whiskey and gun trade with your people, and the English and Dutch traders out of New York did. I know...small blessings, but it does speak to concerns of a spiritual nature.

Also, the 'martyrdom' of the missionaries...was it not a ceremonial affair, and not just a Friday night chow-down? I think that also needs to be said.



posted on Nov, 10 2010 @ 11:16 AM
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Here's a thread I did concerning the Jesuits:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Its about the story claiming that 8 Jesuits survived the atomic blast in Hiroshima unscathed and without any radiation poisoning. Supposedly, they were less than one kilometer from the epicenter and should have been vaporized.

I speculate that they may have been acting as spys for the Vatican, keeping watch on the secret Japanese nuclear program and may have known to seek cover when they saw the solitary bomber high above the city.

Also of interest is that a future Black Pope was at a seminary that took minor damage from the blast, just outside the city. It makes you wonder if he wasn't there on orders from the order to carry out some type of black mass type sacrifice using all those killed during the atomic blast as a burnt offering to the Jesuit's dark master.



posted on Nov, 10 2010 @ 03:26 PM
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Originally posted by FortAnthem


Here's a thread I did concerning the Jesuits:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Its about the story claiming that 8 Jesuits survived the atomic blast in Hiroshima unscathed and without any radiation poisoning. Supposedly, they were less than one kilometer from the epicenter and should have been vaporized.

I speculate that they may have been acting as spys for the Vatican, keeping watch on the secret Japanese nuclear program and may have known to seek cover when they saw the solitary bomber high above the city.

Also of interest is that a future Black Pope was at a seminary that took minor damage from the blast, just outside the city. It makes you wonder if he wasn't there on orders from the order to carry out some type of black mass type sacrifice using all those killed during the atomic blast as a burnt offering to the Jesuit's dark master.


I met one of those gentlemen when I was a child. He was a friend of my great uncle, a Jesuit brother. You have no idea who these men were and you are slandering good people. This thread is beyond dispicable and you people should be ashamed.



posted on Nov, 10 2010 @ 03:33 PM
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AND, the oath of the jesuits....there's a masterpiece, it may be the special elite oath i refer to, but it says some evil things, i read it on an ats thread two weeks ago!



posted on Nov, 10 2010 @ 03:38 PM
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Originally posted by GBP/JPY
AND, the oath of the jesuits....there's a masterpiece, it may be the special elite oath i refer to, but it says some evil things, i read it on an ats thread two weeks ago!


You don't know what you are speaking of...

The “Jesuit Oath” you’re referring to is a complete fabrication. According to the Catholic Encyclopedia this oath was the product of the imagination of the forger Robert Ware (mid to late 1600’s).



posted on Nov, 10 2010 @ 05:07 PM
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I'm glad to hear some input on that, thanks man...i was pretty darn concerned that i needed to go down there and......hush my mouth



posted on Nov, 10 2010 @ 07:01 PM
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I met one of those gentlemen when I was a child. He was a friend of my great uncle, a Jesuit brother. You have no idea who these men were and you are slandering good people. This thread is beyond dispicable and you people should be ashamed.



I never said anything derogatory about those Jesuits in that thread, in fact I acknowledged that they had acted very heroically in the aftermath of the atomic blast. What I was questioning were the exaggerations and factual errors in the story that can be found on many Christian websites.

Sure, I did a little wild speculation about the Jesuits but, that's what we do here; we talk about wild conspiracy theories. Even if those Jesuits were sent by the Vatican to spy on the Japanese military projects, that doesn't take anything away from the heroism they displayed on that day.



posted on Nov, 10 2010 @ 07:03 PM
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Honestly... this thread is very disconcerting to me. I have ties to the Jesuit order. From personal experience I can tell you that these men are nothing like what is portrayed here.

Please, all I ask is that people use some discretion when making such claims about an order of the priesthood. These are real people we are talking about here not UFOs. The Priests & Brothers I have had the honor of knowing were true men of God and totally devoted to their calling.

~Peace



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