Possibly renouncing American Citizenship

If socialism frightens you there are not many places you can go. The US is still one of the most capitalistic countries on earth. You did not mention shame as a reason for leaving. I am ashamed of how we use war in our capitalism.

I would say Switzerland (If they'll take you) is a good place to go. Not sure I like the national healthcare but the country is safe, war free, and quite wealthy. Also, by law, they require citizens to possess firearms in their home. Plus they quite often hold referendums for nation wide issues.

They are very sovereign and very separist. Which are policies America once had. America has forgotten who it is, and needs to be b!tch slapped by its people.




[edit on 18-8-2010 by AzoriaCorp]

reply to post by KILL_DOGG


It was on topic but sarcastic. Your intentions and attitude are clear. Yes I asked a question that I want an answer too, but not one that has no value.

You can state that it was a reasonable answer, but I know the truth and you do as well.

Much respect, russ. Most everyone else in this thread, however, proved why everyone hates Americans. It's his right if he wants to leave, and I know I would like to leave as well, for more reasons than one [perhaps I'd like to see a different part of the world].
But just because someone wants to leave your oh so precious America, you have to get angry and automatically assume they're a terrorist.
Jesus, people...

A friend of mine is just back from Moscow and remarked as to how much Russia has changed in the 20 some years he's been in the US. He said Moscow is much like the US was 20 years ago. Good times and everyone making money. Might be worth a try.

Also I have heard for many years, if you want to see the "real" Australia...... go take a trip to New Zealand. He said I wouldn't regret it.

A couple of places you might consider once you have decided to leave the country of your birth.

I for one will remain here. The country I have fought for in the past, and may be called upon to do again in the hope "that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom -- and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth."

This country and its people are worth fighting for. Buck up and do your part. If SHTF, you are better off here!!

"Thought I heard a rumblin'.

Callin' to my name.

Two hundred million guns are loaded.

Satan cries 'Take Aim.'"

As a previous poster stated, if you do leave, don't let the door hit you on the way out.

Regardless of where you go OP,

I think you will be replaced by ten Mexicans anyway.

It may be a good idea for you to keep your US citizenship tho, as there is a possibility in the near future that only "Service earns you citizenship".

Sorry about the flack you're getting from those who'd rather swim in.....

Here's my suggestion, having lived and worked on 4 continents:

Forget UK, Canada, Australia - too much like the USA
Mexico - are you nuts?!?
NEW ZEALAND - lived/worked there a year and it's great

Europe (including Switzerland) - UNLESS you change your attitude about taxation and benefits FORGET anywhere in Europe - you won't be happy
ON THE OTHER HAND
Iceland may be bankrupt, but folks are happy there except for the economy and they have cheap geothermal power
France has an interesting social system for health/child care
Denmark is one of the highest taxed and the locals don't have a problem with their tax rates (relative to the benefits they receive)
Switzerland has very restrictive immigration policies, so unless you have several million $ to bank there (really it was $1 million 30 years ago)
Sorry - no data on Eastern & Central European countries, but you'd have to assume a taxation basis similar to the rest of the EU

African and Middle East destinations can be very lucrative for technical engineering type folks, my dad worked in Saudi making good money (back in the 70's) - problem is, the area's just not great on accepting immigrants from the US except where they have segregated living "compounds" for western workers - there might be some exceptions (Dubai for one) but it's probably not a good region for moving a family.

Central and South America have good values, need technical/professional workers, and generally don't have any problems with foreigners as you might expect in the USA. Specifically, Costa Rica, Panama, Ecuador and Honduras are highly regarded by expats as very comfortable for Americans.

There are also the tropical islands - but you might want to wait a few years to find out how the carnage from the Gulf flows before making a commitment to the Bahamas, Jamaica, Cuba, Dutch Antilles, etc.

As far as renouncing your citizenship, the only thing it "buys" you is the ability to thumb your nose at the IRS for wanting you to file and pay tax on your worldwide wages just for the privilege of being a citizen. I guess there are other benefits, but I can't think of any - nothing is going to erase the fact that you "were" an American. I think it's possible to travel on a country-of-residence passport once you're established, maybe not.

Hope this helps.

gj

reply to post by russ212


Why don't you stay in the USA and try to change things for the better rather than abandoning ship and taking up on some cruise liner where the beds have already been made the way you like by people who already worked hard to see that it was done.

That is what is wrong with America today- everyone wants everything handed to them and they don't want to struggle or work for anything. And when they don't get it they whine about how all the worker bees aren't doing what they need to do so they can take their reward. But do they stand up and so some work to change it? No!

reply to post by russ212


Oh and make sure you do it right if you are going to renounce your citizenship.

You must appear in person before a U.S. consular or diplomatic officer,
in a foreign country (normally at a U.S. Embassy or Consulate); and
sign an oath of renunciation.

349(a)(5) of the INA pretty clearly states that Americans cannot effectively renounce their citizenship by mail, through an agent, or while in the United States.

And unless you already are a citizen of another country you will be stateless and won't be able to get any passport to go anywhere ever.

Best of Luck to you.

[edit on 18-8-2010 by Identified]

Originally posted by russ212
reply to post by whoshotJR

 

No, I am 30 married and I have children that I don't want to grow up here. I have never watched Glenn Beck as I don't have cable

FYI you can not renounce citizenship for your children or your spouse. And Minor Children are not allowed to renounce without a US government official signing off that they understand what they are doing. Not sure that would work so well as no official wants to have that child come back later and ask for that judgment to be set aside.

reply to post by JimIrie


The problem with Spain is that Spain doesn't allow dual-citizenship. So you will have to give up one for the other.

reply to post by russ212



I doubt there is any place any more free than here. That is not to say that we are free by the way. We need to get over the idea that there is anyplace to hide. Of course there are countries were the government has less money to harass you so they may tend to leave you alone but in the end they all restrict freedom. I feel like leaving here because if I am living in country that has become so insane that a GIJoe doll is disarmed before boarding a plane I may as well live somewhere that is a bit more pleasurable.

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By the way, if I had the cash I would be out of here in a second. Read the many posts on ATS about government stupidity and bullying. You can always get a visa to visit family.

why is their such hostility ? people he is is own temple ,this world belongs to him juat as it belongs to all of us ! this world is ours! besides ,the government has the option for this .so whats the problem ? he is playing it safe i my self have thought about leaving , because i am not happy here i been all over the usa and the only place i was remotely happy was oregon , you guys sould be giving him praise and good luck and i hope you make it and keep us informed ,not be negitive , for thoes of you who are negitive about his choice ,you actr like its going to effect somthing in your life ?

sorry russ

ya ya ya i know my spelling

reply to post by ATLien


I hear Iran is free'er than America.

Their president will tell you so himself.

But lets hope you're not any other religion aside from Islam.... or gay....and i pray you don't have relatives in Israel, because, according to him, he's going to wipe it off the world map.

Originally posted by KILL_DOGG
Head on over to Iran and don't let the door hit you in the balloon knot on the way out.

It sounds like you've taken the mental abuse to heart and been conditioned by the system to not consider venturing out. You think the abuser is the only viable option. Yeah, if you don't like Amurrica, you're only option is Iran or something like it. Okiedokie.

Originally posted by Snarf
reply to post by ATLien

 

I hear Iran is free'er than America.

Their president will tell you so himself.

But lets hope you're not any other religion aside from Islam.... or gay....and i pray you don't have relatives in Israel, because, according to him, he's going to wipe it off the world map.

I've seen at least 3 posts like this already. Quit being bitter about someone else's decision.
Actually, I can respect if you love your country, but don't get hostile about it. That's the stereotypical American way. We're already angry enough. Break the cycle, break the chain.

Originally posted by Antigen Shift

Originally posted by Snarf
reply to post by ATLien

 

I hear Iran is free'er than America.

Their president will tell you so himself.

But lets hope you're not any other religion aside from Islam.... or gay....and i pray you don't have relatives in Israel, because, according to him, he's going to wipe it off the world map.

I've seen at least 3 posts like this already. Quit being bitter about someone else's decision.
Actually, I can respect if you love your country, but don't get hostile about it. That's the stereotypical American way. We're already angry enough. Break the cycle, break the chain.

^ i strongly agree with that statement my good man ,people just need to learn to not try and mold people to their way of thought ..wait i guess we all do that here on ats ...oops ..ok lets try this people just need to learn to exsept other people .we live only once ..why waste your life here ? get out and explore the world ..be free live free most of all love

Nephi

Why don't your kids wanna grow up here?

reply to post by AzoriaCorp


I agree with everything you say about Switzerland - just one little qualification on what you say re citizens being requiried to possess a gun. That only applies to Swiss nationals. When they've done their military service they are required to keep their firearms at home, to be ready for a national defence emergency. Other citizens aren't required to keep firearms.