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Possibly renouncing American Citizenship

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posted on Aug, 18 2010 @ 10:05 AM
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www.infoplease.com...

According to the above link America is only the 48th most free country in the world. Kind of odd for the land of the free and home of the brave if you ask me.

What I really found interesting though is how many people and countries actually exsist in a constant state of tyranny. A large portion of the worlds population live in nations that do not allow basic civil rights.

I found this site while research what country I am going to move too. I hope to renounce my American citizenship and leave by the end of this year. My top choice right now is Australia as it is an English speaking nation.

Does any of our friends on ATS from outside the U.S. have any suggestions of good places to go? I can no longer stay in this nation and watch it fall from the inside due to the large amount of corruption in the government.

I am researching this very carefully, as I don't want to go somewhere that is heading down the same paths of restricting freedom and growing corruption as the U.S..

Here is a link that is more up to date. It has some great graphs that spell out what I have found very well

www.freedomhouse.org...

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posted on Aug, 18 2010 @ 10:21 AM
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posted on Aug, 18 2010 @ 10:25 AM
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I don't understand the anger in your post. I am anything but liberal or conservative. I am simply looking for a home that is more suitable, and offers more freedom. I no longer am able to accept the level of corruption in our government. The constitution is not followed and the people have become too polarized. I want peace, quiet, and a government that will leave me alone, and is not socialist in nature.

I love America, or rather the concepts that it was founded on. It has changed though. I will always love this country but I don't believe I can be a citizen anymore. Why does this bother you? Do you just get angry that people are wanting to leave and that lowers the number of people paying into the pool of socialism?

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posted on Aug, 18 2010 @ 10:26 AM
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Australia, as I have been hearing, is also becoming quite America-like. They are very censoring. I believe they have put hard restrictions on video games, adult movies, ect.

I am not trying to discourage you though, I'd love to live there myself. But don't take a websites word for who is free and who is not. You could become enlightened in the worst country in the world and be depressed in the best.



posted on Aug, 18 2010 @ 10:29 AM
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According to the above link America is only the 48th most free country in the world. Kind of odd for the land of the free and home of the brave if you ask me.

Russ212

Your idea that USA is the 48th free country is not based on reality.

The list is in alphabetical order and via that guideline, it is the 48th listing.
Had they listed it under America you would have deduced that it is the most #1 free nation.



posted on Aug, 18 2010 @ 10:29 AM
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You make a very good point. I have been researching for some time now and I will continue to. This is the best place to get honest opinions I think. I appreciate yours, and I was unaware of those issues with australia



posted on Aug, 18 2010 @ 10:30 AM
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What have you to offer Australia that they would accept you as a immigrant?

You must not realise the current Australian government is socialist, we have much tighter gun control here, pistols for self defence are not allowed by private people, we also tax you to pay for universal health care!



posted on Aug, 18 2010 @ 10:30 AM
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There was no anger in my response. You asked a question and I answered it. Easy as that.



posted on Aug, 18 2010 @ 10:33 AM
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I doubt that very much. All of my research indicates America is not even number 1 in freedom economically. I know for a fact we are not the most free socially too. I did not notice it was in Alphabetical order though. I will show some more links that show where we truly rank as I get time. Here is one for you to review in the meantime though

www.heritage.org...
and here is another that demonstrates we are 8th in personal liberty
www.stateofworldliberty.org...

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posted on Aug, 18 2010 @ 10:36 AM
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So what exactly aren't you free to do right at this moment that makes you feel oppressed?

I can see you wanting to leave America if you were gay, a racial minority or a woman...



posted on Aug, 18 2010 @ 10:36 AM
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I agree with killdogg,if you don't like america,
then leave.I'm going to stay and see what
happens.



posted on Aug, 18 2010 @ 10:37 AM
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Your answer was rude, unhelpful and it is trolling. It is unappreciated.

I love the alert and ignore buttons



posted on Aug, 18 2010 @ 10:37 AM
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Originally posted by slugger9787
reply to post by russ212
 


According to the above link America is only the 48th most free country in the world. Kind of odd for the land of the free and home of the brave if you ask me.

Russ212

Your idea that USA is the 48th free country is not based on reality.

The list is in alphabetical order and via that guideline, it is the 48th listing.
Had they listed it under America you would have deduced that it is the most #1 free nation.


This seems correct to me and that the United States is listed in the first category of nations - stated as "most free".



posted on Aug, 18 2010 @ 10:38 AM
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Hi Russ

Dual citizenship is always an option, you know. I appreciate you might wish to renounce your US citizenship as a matter of conscience, or to voice a protest, etc. But later on, you may feel differently and regret it

Australia is not so different to the US. It's just a matter of scale. In the US there are approx. 300 million people. In Australia, there are approx. 21 million

In Australia, there is still the one political party with two heads. And Australia is strongly influenced by the US anyway

In the US, there are towns and cities spread across the land, basically.

In Australia, there is a handful of towns and cities with most of them on the very eastern edge of the continent

In the US, there is an increasing migrant population and it's causing social and other problems. Same with Australia which last year accepted ... officially ... 300,000 mainly non-English speaking migrants. The unofficial count is not available. The two-headed, one-party government has stated publicly that it hopes to pull in 300,000 Indian migrants this coming year. Major politician stated a couple of weeks ago that two thirds of Australia's population was born overseas

The United States is considered a 'young' country. Australia is the United States kid brother and is only 230 years old, approx.

The United States is only a few hours flight away from Europe. Australia is a 27 hour flight from Europe, approx.

The Australian landmass is not all that much smaller than the United States, yet 90% or more of Australia is uninhabited. It's a big, empty place

There's unemployment in Australia, crime, every brand of corruption imaginable. Its scenery could in no way be said to surpass that of the United States

Why not visit Australia for a few months and travel around ? Only then will you know if by renouncing your American citizenship you're not cutting off your nose to spite your face



posted on Aug, 18 2010 @ 10:40 AM
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It is not what I am not allowed to do, but it is the attitude of the nation, the taxes that are about to get raised. It is the corruption in government. This country has forgotten what true freedom is.

Having to pay for social programs takes away from my freedom. That is one issue. Watching politicians play with the lives of the people to line their own pockets is another. Another is the fact that the people of this nation have lost their moral back bone.



posted on Aug, 18 2010 @ 10:41 AM
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Originally posted by Hefficide

Originally posted by slugger9787
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According to the above link America is only the 48th most free country in the world. Kind of odd for the land of the free and home of the brave if you ask me.

Russ212

Your idea that USA is the 48th free country is not based on reality.

The list is in alphabetical order and via that guideline, it is the 48th listing.
Had they listed it under America you would have deduced that it is the most #1 free nation.


This seems correct to me and that the United States is listed in the first category of nations - stated as "most free".


Exactly. Its alphabetical order...not numerical order. Its really not that hard to understand that concept if you just look at the list and actually read it.



posted on Aug, 18 2010 @ 10:42 AM
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Alec?
Alec Baldwin is that you?

Before you make the decision to ditch this country, why not try joining some type of humanitarian relief effort, in Afghanistan.



posted on Aug, 18 2010 @ 10:43 AM
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good bye, youre freeing up a job for an American that WANTS to be here



posted on Aug, 18 2010 @ 10:44 AM
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Because I really don't give a darn what happens to the terrorist, or the people that support them



posted on Aug, 18 2010 @ 10:44 AM
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Are you planning on working? What kind of work do you want to do?

Many Asian countries are always looking for English teachers. New Zealand is a pretty small country with lots to do. They def. have there own culture as well. Do you just want to travel for a while?



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