Scientists agreeing end of times is near?

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
I actually proved the fact that nature, and ALL the green biomass of Earth THRIVES with higher concentrations of atmospheric CO2 than present...

I already know that plants feed on CO2. What the heck does that have to do with CO2 being a greenhouse gas that warms Earth? It is completely irrelevant to my argument.

You show again and again that all you can do is talk about irrelevant things, and you actually fool yourself into believing what you say has any effect on my argument.

Plants can only absorb so much CO2. When humans create more than plants can absorb, guess what, it starts to build up.

Building up greenhouse gases in the atmosphere increases the amount of atoms that collect radiation, and reflect it around our atmosphere. It increases heat!

You failed, again, and again, and again.. Now you are going on ignore. It's quite obvious I'm talking to someone who thinks he knows more than he does, and who has serious problems with reading comprehension, and misquoting people, and misunderstanding basic scientific knowledge.

You sir, are the worst failure I have ever met.

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
I really don't care how many "green" "radical environmentalist" links you keep giving...

I didnt give any green radical environmentalist links!! WTF are you talking about?

I was giving you links that show you many reasons why Earth is considered a closed system. You didn't even bother to read them because you are a closed minded [snip].

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
The Earth is NOT a closed system... The Earth gets bombarded EVERY FREAKEN DAY by metorites, plasma, and other energies which are not only "radiation...

..and once those meteorites, and that plasma, and other energies reach Earth, they are stuck here, forever. The only thing escaping is radiation.

When we are talking about AIR... and the ATMOSPHERE... it is CLOSED. Like a greenhouse with closed doors and windows!

Holy freaking [snip], there is no words to describe your ignorance.

You are officially on ignore.

[edit on 10-8-2010 by Unst0ppable0ne]

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
Kid, the one that has shown "zero knowledge" is you... Using claims like "the laws of light and matter" when there is no such law called "law of light and matter"...

Listen child....

I just told you I was talking about THE LAWS OF PHYSICS. I even told you I was talking about the classical laws of electricity and mangetism and electromagnetism, which describe electromagnetic radiation (light) and matter. I even named several laws dealing with radiation, and light in my previous posts.

You just proved to everyone that you don't read posts. And that I have been talking to a freaking [snip] all this time who doesn't even read posts. I can't even use the term "talking to", more like... "talking at" since you don't seem to be reading any posts.

Then you sit there and have the nerve to mock my words, and argue semantics when I say "laws of light and matter"?? You, child, are a freaking joke.

Now that I'm finished showing you all how lost and confused ElectricUniverse is, and showing you all his straw man tactics of arguing semantics, and misquoting sources and me, and ignoring presented information....

It's time to laugh at his most memorable quote...

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
Whenever you, and some others, learn that you have no control over nature, the Solar System, or the Universe, perhaps then you will understand that mankind's activities are not the cause for Climate Change...

He just tried to claim we don't have any control over nature...



I will laugh all day about that one.

[edit on 10-8-2010 by Unst0ppable0ne]

Originally posted by Titen-Sxull
reply to post by Jess_Undefined

 

Global Warming is a bit different from rapture, horsemen, beasts and Jesus returning so I think the article's title is honestly very very silly.

Not silly at all and perhaps these scientists are finally waking up to the truth.

The truth is, that they are actually one in the same. Because we (creation) are all actually within God, God is nature - and nature is God. God works in slow progression and all of the natural disasters that have been occurring over the past few years and have been becoming increasingly worse are signs of what is to come. As we are already in the Tribulation period, what is yet to come is the Rapture and then Armageddon.

So in knowing this, the question then is "what do we do?" The answer is there is nothing we can do aside from preparing our hearts, as it is the condition of our hearts (a good one being a humble one) and belief and acceptance of Christ Jesus as Lord and Savior that will save us.

For more information you can visit the links in my signature.

When people moan on about Global Warming Co2 ........you're missing a very, very big issue and its in the name......
GLOBAL WARMING

If your kettles on the boil its gonna shake, rattle and spill its contents all over your stove.
Now you have your burnt out planet all smokey from the boil what do you think happens next?

The Volcanic ash clouds block out the sun, we are instantly plunged into a 10,000 year long ice age.........guess what, its an earthly cycle, its just hastened by human intervention. This could also have been the fate of the so called 5 or 6 previous civilisations of the past that science wish to ignore. That is a different conspiracy at which I only gave you a hint.....I will stick to the OP's subject.
S+F btw......It is a Hastened Planetary Cycle and also a Solar system Cycle too, due to the eliptical changing path of our Mother Earth. We are on the closest portion to the Sun of the said elipse. This will still cook up the mantle as it has done in the past, as it will do in the future.

reply to post by ElectricUniverse

Those videos are nothing more than biased, and twists from the facts... We have seen these videos posted before and their premise is not true at all...

OK then. Show me your videos with the facts. Or do you pass these tales down verbally from father to son? Who are your experts?

[edit on 10-8-2010 by rusethorcain]

Originally posted by Unst0ppable0ne

Wrong! Do you even know the basics of science?

WTH?... That is ALWAYS the kind of statement made by people WHO DO NOT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT SCIENCE...

There are MANY laws, and principles in the different branches of science... If you are talking about physics, NONE of the mayor laws of physics corroborate your claim, or the claim of the AGW scientists...

Originally posted by Unst0ppable0ne
Radiation from the Sun passes through the windows, and when it is reflectect off of the interior at a different wavelength, it can NOT pass through the windows so it gets trapped and heats the inside.

What i have been saying is that the heat stays inside because it IS a CLOSED system...there are no doors, or windows open hence there is no air circulation...

Learn to stay on topic...

Originally posted by Unst0ppable0ne
This is basic science. I knew this since I was 12 years old. Here are some other people who knew it too...

Really?... I have to wonder why is it that you can't even name '"the branches of science" and the laws you are trying to discuss...

BTW, I clearly stated "several times" if there are no doors, or windows open there is no air circulation hence the heat stays trapped, but once you open a window, or a door air circulates and cools the greenhouse/house/building.

Originally posted by Unst0ppable0ne
You failed, yet again. Why am I not surprised? Maybe because TRUTH is on my side, and not yours.

I failed again?... ... naaa, you are the one not understanding the truth of Climate Change...

Originally posted by Unst0ppable0ne
Let me ask you wise guy... If I had a car with all the windows shut, and it was sealed from outside, and the air inside was really hot..... If I put a fan in the car, would it cool it down?

The air circulation would help relieve the heat... otherwise fans would not work at all "wiseguy"...

Originally posted by Unst0ppable0ne
I look forward to laughing at your answer.

:lol; You want to laugh?...

The AGW scientists...the CREAM OF THE CROP of the AGW advocates who had, and still have millions, if not billions of dollars at their disposal to TRY to prove that AGW is real, and that CO2 is the cause of the warming, yet they WERE FREAKING CAUGHT RED HANDED LYING, POSTING FALSE DATA, AND FALSE RESULTS.

THEY WERE CAUGHT TALKING ABOUT USING EVERY LEGAL AND ILLEGAL WAY TO KEEP PEOPLE IN THE DARK, AND TO NOT ALLOW THEIR RESULTS, WHICH CONTRADICT THEIR CLAIMS, TO BE RELEASE EVEN IF PEOPLE USED FOIA, and you, a NOBODY want to claim that you can prove CO2 is the cause of the warming?....

The first person to post this story was seattletruth in the BAN forum. Here is a link to his story Link

A BRITISH climate scientist at the centre of a controversy over leaked emails is facing fresh claims that he sought to hide problems in temperature data on which his work was based.

An investigation of more than 2000 emails apparently hacked from the University of East Anglias climatic research unit has found evidence that a series of measurements from Chinese weather stations was seriously flawed.
.....

www.theage.com.au...

And there is more to the story.

Climate scientist Phil Jones and a collaborator have been accused of scientific fraud for attempting to suppress data that could cast doubt on a key 1990 study on the effect of cities on warming.

Dr Jones withheld the information requested under British freedom of information laws. Subsequently a senior colleague told him he feared that Dr Jones collaborator, Wei-chyung Wang of the University at Albany, had ''screwed up''.

The apparent attempts to cover up problems with temperature data from the Chinese weather stations provide the first link between the email scandal and the UN's embattled climate science body, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, as a paper based on the measurements was used to bolster IPCC statements about rapid global warming in recent decades.

www.theage.com.au...

And more...

The IPCC has already been criticised for its use of information that had not been rigorously checked - in particular a false claim that all Himalayan glaciers could melt by 2035.

Of 105 freedom of information requests to the University of East Anglia over the climatic research unit, which Dr Jones led until the end of December, only 10 had been released in full.

www.theage.com.au...

When the news broke, and Jones, and the IPCC top brass decided to pass the fault to one man only the scientists which was accused told what happened...

The scientist behind the bogus claim in a Nobel Prize-winning UN report that Himalayan glaciers will have melted by 2035 last night admitted it was included purely to put political pressure on world leaders.

Dr Murari Lal also said he was well aware the statement, in the 2007 report by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), did not rest on peer-reviewed scientific research.
.........

www.dailymail.co.uk...

In an interview with The Mail on Sunday, Dr Lal, the co-ordinating lead author of the report’s chapter on Asia, said: ‘It related to several countries in this region and their water sources. We thought that if we can highlight it, it will impact policy-makers and politicians and encourage them to take some concrete action.
‘It had importance for the region, so we thought we should put it in.’

Dr Lal’s admission will only add to the mounting furore over the melting glaciers assertion, which the IPCC was last week forced to withdraw because it has no scientific foundation.

According to the IPCC’s statement of principles, its role is ‘to assess on a comprehensive, objective, open and transparent basis, scientific, technical and socio-economic information – IPCC reports should be neutral with respect to policy’.

www.dailymail.co.uk...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Nice try....


[edit on 10-8-2010 by ElectricUniverse]

reply to post by Unst0ppable0ne


For crying out loud... NONE OF THOSE LAWS YOU USED SO LOOSELY TRYING TO SOUND INTELLIGENT, but showing the contrary, CORROBORATE YOUR CLAIM THAT CO2 IS THE CAUSE OF THE WARMING....

The cream of the crop of the AGW scientists had to lie, post false data, and false information, and had to use every legal and illegal way to keep people in the dark...

These people had "millions" if not billions of dollars at their disposal to TRY to prove that CO2 is the cause of the warming, yet they couldn't find any evidence for their claims...yet YOU "Unst0ppable" want to claim that you can prove CO2 is the cause of the warming?... Oh boy...

Originally posted by rusethorcain

OK then. Show me your videos with the facts. Or do you pass these tales down verbally from father to son? Who are your experts?

Naaa, I don't take fantasy stories of videos which are not only full of bias, but do not tell the truth about Climate Change...

I have already posted several links.

You want more?... Here are some more..

www.abovetopsecret.com...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

BTW, natural disasters will continue to increase, but not because of CO2...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

I also even posted the plans the socialist elites have had for us for a long time. You can even find such documents at UN links none-the-less

"In 1991 an evil green environlunatic, i mean a good environmentalist known as professor Ignacy Sachs wrote a paper for the UN in which he describes step by step the phases that need to be taken by the SOCIALIST elites in order for western countries to redistribute their wealth to developing countries, as well as the emergence of a One World Government.

He states in this paper that the governments of the western world will most probably not accept this transfer of wealth, and dissolution of their sovereignty unless their hands are forced "by a popular movement or a catastrophe, such as another Great Depression or ecological disaster.“

How about if you cause all tree of them?... Cause a worldwide economic crisis, claim that there is an environmental problem that MUST BE SOLVED RIGHT NOW, and that if you don't do it THE WORLD WILL DIE, and make a "popular movements of the people backing immediate action to stop such an environmental problem, and economic prolem....Wouldn't that be better?.....

He discusses how it will be needed for the dissolution of all middle classes around the world, which will mean EVERYONE will be equally poor which happens in Socialist dictatorships.

He states this plan, and strategies should cover several decades in order to be implemented slowly, unless there can be redistribution of wealth at a faster pace, which would shorten the time needed to implement this plan.

BTW, I am going to be linking to the official UNESCO website where the paper can be found.

Without further due, here is the article and links supporting what I just described above.

Published on 12-10-2009

By Jurriaan Maessen

“The governments of Europe, the United States, and Japan are unlikely to negotiate a social-democratic pattern of globalization – unless their hands are forced by a popular movement or a catastrophe, such as another Great Depression or ecological disaster“

Richard Sandbrook, Closing the Circle: Democratization and Development in Africa, Zed Books limited, London, 2000.

A 1991 policy paper prepared for the United Nations Conference on Environment and Development (UNCED) by self-described ‘ecosocioeconomist’ professor Ignacy Sachs outlines a strategy for the transfer of wealth in name of the environment to be implemented in the course of 35 to 40 years. As it turns out, it is a visionary paper describing phase by phase the road to world dictatorship. As the professor states in the paper:

“To be meaningful, the strategies should cover the time-span of several decades. Thirty-five to forty years seems a good compromise between the need to give enough time to the postulated transformations and the uncertainties brought about by the lengthening of the time-span.“

In his paper “The Next 40 Years: Transition Strategies to the Virtuous Green Path: North/South/East/Global“, Sachs accurately describes not only the intended time-span to bring about a global society, but also what steps should be taken to ensure “population stabilization”:

“In order to stabilize the populations of the South by means other than wars or epidemics, mere campaigning for birth control and distributing of contraceptives has proved fairly inefficient.“

“The way out from the double bind of poverty and environmental disruption calls for a fairly long period of more economic growth to sustain the transition strategies towards the virtuous green path of what has been called in Stockholm ecodevelopement and has since changed its name in Anglo-Saxon countries to sustainable development.”

“(…) a fair degree of agreement seems to exist, therefore, about the ideal development path to be followed so long as we do not manage to stabilize the world population and, at the same time, sharply reduce the inequalities prevailing today.”

In order to make this happen Sachs stresses the need of “defining the rules for adequate environmental protection, designing the institutional machinery and choosing the mix of economic, legal and administrative instruments necessary for the implementation of environmental policies.”
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blacklistednews.com...


Global Warming/AGW, which now they are calling "Climate Change" to try to confuse the people who are uninformed, alongside other "crisis" such as the global economic crisis" were created for two purposes, as a depopulation scheme, and as a way for people to accept a One World Government "to fight Climate Change" and to "stop the global economic crisis"...

[edit on 10-8-2010 by ElectricUniverse]

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
Global Warming/AGW, which now they are calling "Climate Change" to try to confuse the people who are uninformed, alongside other "crisis" such as the global economic crisis" were created for two purposes, as a depopulation scheme, and as a way for people to accept a One World Government "to fight Climate Change" and to "stop the global economic crisis"...

If it gets us away from the global kleptocracy of corporatism and US/Western Imperialism and makes us start re-aligning with the planetary eco-sphere, whats wrong with that?


AGW is really easy to understand - I wasn't conned. I dont understand why you are having so much difficulty with it. Its not a case of "OmG teh Nw0 iz cuming 2 g3tz M3!!!1!!"

Originally posted by Unst0ppable0ne

I already know that plants feed on CO2. What the heck does that have to do with CO2 being a greenhouse gas that warms Earth? It is completely irrelevant to my argument.

It shows that atmospheric CO2 is essential for mankind, and for all of nature...

BTW, just because CO2 is a ghg, doesn't mean it is an important ghg...

Water Vapor consists of 95% of the trace gases on Earth, meanwhile CO2 consists of 3.26% of trace gases.

In the Troposphere, which is the atmospheric layer where all weather events occur, and it is the atmospheric layer that influences surface temperatures, water vapor consists of at least 95%-98% if not more of the greenhouse effect, meanwhile CO2 and the other trace gases account for the other 2%-5% of the greenhouse effect, or even less. Not to mention that these are "guesstimates".

Molecule by molecule water vapor absorbs more radiation in the form of heat than CO2 does...

The Earth's geological record shows that CO2 LAGS temperatures at an average of 800 years. There are times that the lag goes for a few thousand years, and there have also been many times when CO2 and temperatures did not correlate at all.

Petit et al. (1999) reconstructed histories of surface air temperature and atmospheric CO2 concentration from data obtained from a Vostok ice core that covered the prior 420,000 years, determining that during glacial inception "the CO2 decrease lags the temperature decrease by several thousand years" and that "the same sequence of climate forcing operated during each termination." Likewise, working with sections of ice core records from around the times of the last three glacial terminations, Fischer et al. (1999) found that "the time lag of the rise in CO2 concentrations with respect to temperature change is on the order of 400 to 1000 years during all three glacial-interglacial transitions."

www.co2science.org...

In general CO2 as a ghg is INSIGNIFICANT...

Originally posted by Unst0ppable0ne
Plants can only absorb so much CO2. When humans create more than plants can absorb, guess what, it starts to build up.

We are NOWHERE the levels of atmospheric CO2 that plants need for maximum growth...

Right now atmospheric CO2 levels are about 380ppm, and research has shown that the optimum level of atmospheric CO2 for most plants/trees is at 1,200ppm-1,500ppm...

I have already posted this several times...

Successful indoor growers implement methods to increase CO2 concentrations in their enclosure. The typical outdoor air we breathe contains 0.03 - 0.045% (300 - 450 ppm) CO2. Research demonstrates that optimum growth and production for most plants occur between 1200 - 1500 ppm CO2. These optimum CO2 levels can boost plant metabolism, growth and yield by 25 - 60%.

www.planetnatural.com...

Originally posted by Unst0ppable0ne
Building up greenhouse gases in the atmosphere increases the amount of atoms that collect radiation, and reflect it around our atmosphere. It increases heat!

... There is a saturation level that cannot be exceeded... GHGs can only absorb 100% of the solar radiation, and water vapor absorbs most of this radiation leaving a very small amount for CO2 which is insignificant...

Hungarian Physicist Dr. Ferenc Miskolczi proves CO2 emissions irrelevant in Earth’s Climate
...
Dr. Miskolczi’s Constant was discovered with a program that is the result of a project started 25 years ago in Hungary. It was then he began the process of writing a high-resolution radiative transfer program which would describe the Earth’s climate using the TIGR Global radiosonde archive of the Laboratoire de Meteorologie Dynamique, Paris database. With this information he was able to accurately describe mathematically how the atmosphere absorbs and releases heat using a long standing Equation called the Schwarzschild-Milne transfer equation to accurately calculate the Earths infrared optical depth. That is what Global climate is; the process by which Earth either holds onto or releases heat. The IPCC and the CRU scientists would have us believe that CO2 increases the heat the atmosphere holds on an infinite unlimited basis. That conclusion is absolutely false, and the CRU and the IPCC have had to falsify and invent data to make it appear that it does.

In reality water is so overwhelming abundant on Earth, it dominatingly, completely, and overwhelmingly governs the climate equilibrium of the Earth. It is 71% of the total surface area of the planet, 333 Million cubic miles (a cubic mile is an imaginary cube measuring one mile on each side) of water exist here, by far outweighing all other greenhouse gasses.

Can our climate undergo changes due to the addition of greenhouse gasses? Yes, but only under circumstances great enough to overwhelm the presence of 333 million Cubic miles of water, such as the impact of a large Asteroid and the tremendous heat it would add instantly. Carbon Dioxide is very far inside the greenhouse effect’s self-regulatory barriers. Amounts even double our current emissions, cannot overwhelm this equilibrium. Only the Sun has that immense amount of power, and only water exists in quantities large enough to effect such a change. As long as the sun’s activity is the “business-as-usual” fluctuations and there is water on Earth, CO2 cannot cause or increase global warming.

www.examiner.com... rths-Climate

To find the research paper here is a link to it.
www.scribd.com...

Originally posted by Unst0ppable0ne
You failed, again, and again, and again..

No my dear boy, you are the one failing miserably...

Originally posted by Unst0ppable0ne
Now you are going on ignore.

OMG "Unst0ppable0ne" is puting me on ignore.... must be the end of the world...

Originally posted by Unst0ppable0ne
You sir, are the worst failure I have ever met.

blah, blah, blah blah... Look in the mirror if you want to see failure...


[edit on 10-8-2010 by ElectricUniverse]

Originally posted by ghostsoldier

If it gets us away from the global kleptocracy of corporatism and US/Western Imperialism and makes us start re-aligning with the planetary eco-sphere, whats wrong with that?

Oh yeah that's right, i forgot i was responding to a self professed communist who has never left his own Australian country and seen, or ever experienced a socialist dictatorship...

What's so bad about another socialist dictatorship where the government tells everyone what to do, what they can earn, what they can eat, forces you to work for free "for the good of all" and suppresses dissent and any voice that dares to speak about freedom?.. You will never know because you have been drinking from the kool-aid given to you by communists...

Originally posted by ghostsoldier
AGW is really easy to understand - I wasn't conned. I dont understand why you are having so much difficulty with it. Its not a case of "OmG teh Nw0 iz cuming 2 g3tz M3!!!1!!"

You really need to grow up, and grow out of that phase of "rebellion"... It's getting old...

And yes you were conned, and you swallowed the hook, line and sinker...and it is obvious you seem to like it...

[edit on 10-8-2010 by ElectricUniverse]

reply to post by ElectricUniverse


You still at it???

www.abovetopsecret.com...
...a past post you may find enlightening

Im sure Electric or some other non AWG fanatic has pointed this out, but CO2 levels have been 20, 30, 40x what they are today in Earths recent geologic past. Didnt turn into Venus. Life continued on.

And a doubling over the next hundred years will destroy us all, huh. *yawn* AWG = Fail. Move on to some *real* enviromental issues already. (which are plenty)

reply to post by rusethorcain


And no proof for your claims except some "vague videos"?...

Humm, I wonder why the cream of the crop of AGW scientists were caught hiding facts, rigging the data, and in general trying to keep people in the dark instead of showing all the evidence of what they found?...

But even after the AGW scientists such as Mann, Jones, et al were shown to be scammers you get the AGW believers still wanting to keep alive their "religion"... Go figure...

reply to post by ElectricUniverse


Vague videos? They were put out by the History Channel among others.
Where the heck do you live any way? Bum- fuk?

anthropogenic means derived from human activity...

I believe these changes are happening with or without our input

reply to post by ADUB77


Thanks for your input, but I vehemently disagree. Is that ok?