Anger mounts over Michelle Obama's 5-day Spanish holiday

Originally posted by ~Lucidity
reply to post by WTFover

 

Maybe if everyone just took a chill and didn't jump so fast before thinking about what the real cause are and what they're really angry about and then just used the right words to define what the problem really is, there'd be a lot less bickering.

But then if we did that, then the scaremongers who want you to think the socialists are out to murder your children and steal your money won't be able to get a rise out of people anymore! Get a hold on yourself, man! You're threatening the whole ATS way of life!

Never forget ATS rule #1: Deny Ignorance!

Come on everybody, let's all deny our ignorance! Of course we know that the Obamas have their dirty little paws in our pockets and are raping us out of our hard earned money because, obviously, they're evil and want to destroy the Constitution! Yeah, that's right! Hey, you know what? We should lynch the Obamas! Yeah, that's right! There's no racial implication there from killing black people for nonsense allegations made by whites! None at all! Let's get 'em, everybody!



In all seriousness, the sheer amount of stupidity in this thread is disgusting. ATS is supposed to be about free and open thought, instead it's a venue for Fox News-watching drones to spout the same nonsense that Glenn Beck shoves down their throats.

pr3l33t out

Originally posted by ~Lucidity
reply to post by WTFover

 

Maybe the point is they should hate the system not the people. Hating the people is petty. Makes no sense. Most would agree.

Thing is, words mean a lot. They matter. Even when it's subtle.

We all know or should know that most of the time when someone says "Obama" it's really just a lazy or shortcut way of saying "the system" or "the administration" or the "federal government."

Problem is not everyone recognizes when it is used that way. They someone say "Obama" and assume one of two things: 1.) that it's a partisan attack on the man or 2.) that this is the way to voice your anger or disgust or outrage, by attacking a figurehead.

At the same time, or maybe as a result of this, some people really do just hate or despise the man, or now it seems his family. I think that's the case here. Because someone told them to be angry but they don't really even understand why for the most part or exactly what it is they're so angry at.

Maybe if everyone just took a chill and didn't jump so fast before thinking about what the real cause are and what they're really angry about and then just used the right words to define what the problem really is, there'd be a lot less bickering.

Whatever the case, this kind of stuff just fuels BS partisan division that is killing this country, pitting American against American is some imaginary war that someone will imaginarily win. And as we bicker. the country suffers...root causes never get addressed, agreed upon, and fixed. Because we're busy bickering.

But, hey, someone clearly wants it this way.

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you do know that obama himself is fueling it as well

look at any speech he has given lately.....

i see what your saying but if that change doesnt stop from the top its never gonna stop from our end.

hey we dont have a problem with the trips,well we do but the important thing is I CAN DO BETTER THEN OBAMA,and his presidency is a JOKE okey?
i want to see the president donating money from his salary,or making something with his money,paint a building,plant some trees on the road,do something charity. go and feed the poor with soup. i dotn care if hes the president,he IS the president he should help the country not just look pretty. i dont care if it look "embarassing"

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reply to post by neo96


It's a trap people fall into.

When people come looking for reasons to despise someone they already have a low opinion of, it's easy to find reasons to despise even more in anything they do or say. It's very hard to set aside existing opinions about one thing and listen to a new thing with an open mind.

Objectivity is something you have to work at hard too.

Is it really rational or logical to outwardly reject every single thing about a person without weighing each issue on its own facts and merits?

Originally posted by ~Lucidity
They someone say "Obama" and assume one of two things: 1.) that it's a partisan attack on the man or 2.) that this is the way to voice your anger or disgust or outrage, by attacking a figurehead.

...At the same time, or maybe as a result of this, some people really do just hate or despise the man, or now it seems his family. I think that's the case here. Because someone told them to be angry but they don't really even understand why for the most part or exactly what it is they're so angry at...

Or...maybe they honestly just don't like his policies?

You know, as soon as I heard this news story, the first thing that came to my mind was...Here we go again. Some people will complain about this and others will begin shouting "What about Bush?" Then the same old tired argument will, again, take center stage. And, in the meantime, our country is teetering on a razor's edge.

Anyway, in case you missed it, my entrance into this thread was

Even though the trip is privately funded, don't you find it a bit offensive, considering how many of her "subjects", ahem, fellow Americans are struggling financially?

Sure, she deserves a vacation and can afford to take one, but don't you think she should have scaled it back a bit and given the appearance of being sympathetic to our current economic climate?

(The "subjects" comment is, kind of a joke, but most in Washington look upon us in that way)

Followed by

She is a public figure, who knows that her actions will be scrutinized and politicized. Both sides do it, right or wrong. I just think this was a little too "in your face".

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Originally posted by pr3l33t

Originally posted by neo96
i see what your saying but if that change doesnt stop from the top its never gonna stop from our end.

Are you joking me? Are you # joking me? This is easily the biggest pile of crap I've seen in this entire thread, which is surprising given the fact that this thread showcases some of the most idiotic members of this forum at their peak of stupidity. Are you seriously telling us that you're somehow entitled to sink to the level of politicians just because they're acting that way? You are an idiot and your statement proves it. You're exactly the kind of person that's responsible for the state of politics today. "Oh, boo hoo, Obama hated on my favorite "news" channel so now I'm going to sink to his level because I can't control myself, poor me, waaah!" Congratulations, you now literally embody the ATS motto. Ignorance officially denied.

the words we speak do have consequences
if you continually to bash berrate and belittle people
there comes a breaking point.

reply to post by pr3l33t


Ok, so it isn't her "salary." I stand corrected on that. My greater point is - if taxpayer money funds these "excursions" then I being a taxpayer have a right to have an opinion on how my money is spent. Doesn't change anything but I have the right to the opinion and it seems some people here don't think there should be an opinion on this issue.

reply to post by pr3l33t


Ok, so it isn't her "salary." I stand corrected on that. My greater point is - if taxpayer money funds these "excursions" then I being a taxpayer have a right to have an opinion on how my money is spent. Doesn't change anything but I have the right to the opinion and it seems some people here don't think there should be an opinion on this issue.

Mr.Obama and Mrs.Obama's political leanings are not important on this topic, neither is their faith.

What is important is how politically stupid they are. How could someone run such a brilliant campaign and then be so clueless... on the economy, healthcare, the Gulf spill, and now this.

One of the great marks of a great leader is an understanding of perception.... image... impact.

Why would Churchill walk the streets of London with Londeners during the Battle of Britian?...positive, political image and empathy with the populace...garner strength and support...build moral.

Same for Lincoln deuring the Civil War. Rebels were numerous times only a couple of miles from the white house and Capitol...but Lincoln never gave the impression of fear. In fact, he pushed the completion of the capitol Dome as a symbol of hope and strength in the future of the USA.

FD Roosevelt did the same. He never allowed published pics of his wealthy jaunts...they did happen...but they were hush,hush. why/ he feared the image contrasted with the hurt and hunger of the populace during the Depression. He also never allowed people to know he was almost cripple and suffered from polio, as it would present a picture of weakness to our enemies.

Hey, Washington suffered with his men. RE Lee ate what his men ate and slept in wet tents like the rest of his army.

Patton purposely potrayed the hard-ass spiffy polished fearless general not only to inspire his men, but to intimidate his enemies...both military and political.

So...what do the Obamas do to inspire the American people...to buld support...and to remove the resentment and pwer of his political enemies? Numerous vacations, luxurious jaunts across the oceans, flying the dog seperately even....what image is this presenting?

I know it happens with all politicians...but right in your face...bad move going into the fall elections. Is he just stupid or bold.

reply to post by WTFover

I know what you said upon your entrance.

Sure. People may honestly dislike his policies...but half the time the way they express this seems like they want to harm him. And half they time they can't even formulate or crystallize a factual and fair thought about why they dislike the policies. It's...well...like crazy anger. Hate the policies. Fine. But do people think anyone's really going to listen if they express their opinions like a 5 year old might? (No offense to 5 year olds.)

To everyone

the 'fool' in the White house is only one of the SERIES of fools you've had in that building...

Make no mistakes, going back to a Republican with all that they stand for would be an even bigger FOOLISH mistake to make. Remember it has been a succession of Republican Presidents who have create the mess you are in and then buggered off and left this 'fool' to try and sort it out...

I keep saying that if we all try and follow the historical party politics then history has taught us so far that we come full circle and nothing gets done apart from the development of the CAREER politicians who SUCKLE at the money giving teat that is your taxation.....

Fool or not President Obama needs to act decisively and properly and also stop the double standards that wife clearly has become so EXCELLENT at........

As I said before - Michelle Obama is living the American Dream whilst most other Americans are living the American Nightmare...

Regards

PurpleDOG UK

Originally posted by ~Lucidity
But do people think anyone's really going to listen if they express their opinions like a 5 year old might? (No offense to 5 year olds.)

Absolutely not. Debates must be substantive and, above all else, devoid of silly and childish insults.

Unfortunately, many (on all sides) believe that by being the loudest and most boisterous, makes them right and the automatic winner, when, actually, others just choose to ignore them and not waste valuable time.

So, that's kinda the long way around to say...I agree.

Edit to add: Also, everyone needs to realize that those who act like 5 year olds are the ones the media puts forth as the face and mouth of any group. The overwhelming majority of any group, movement, etc. remain silent.

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[edit on 8-8-2010 by WTFover]

reply to post by WTFover


You make fine points WTFover, you're very even handed. The policies are the actual target of any hatred, it does not take a shrink to decipher that. The NWO policies are always embodied by the puppet implementing them and some of us can't "hate the sin, love the sinner". If we could, the NWO agenda would be fully implemented by now.

What we have seen and I don't think I'm alone in this, is that the level of hatred for the puppets has risen exponentially from the time of the Kennedy assassination with a few dips and humps in the graph. The NWO agenda shifted into high gear at that same time and so there's no surprise with our growing dissatisfaction. They wanted this to be gradual. It kept us from acting out, waiting for the next guy to right the ship. I'm too young and I don't trust all the accepted history of our leaders prior to that time. There were some that were openly despised I know. And some to the level of a Bush and Obama.

Clinton was a scoundrel but a lovable one to be sure and that kept him from being hated to figurative and literal death. A disarming smile, a well placed tear, a cult of personality to be sure. Bush Sr. was never loved but was masterful at hiding much of the damage he was inflicting. For instance NAFTA was implemented under Clinton with all the living presidents seemingly on board. Reagan was a likable sort but a true puppet with Bush Sr. covertly in control. (Some of us perceived Bush Sr. as a one term president, not so.) Carter, controlled by Zbigniew Brzezinski. Ford, in on the Warren Commission and pardoned Nixon. Nixon, enough said. Johnson, a closet bigot despite his Civil Rights Legislation. He hated Kennedy and any non-southerner and we're supposed to believe there was love in his heart for minorities? There was love in his heart for his legacy, nothing more. And we're back to Kennedy and the "day the music died". The end of our innocence.

People have had 47 years of hatred building for the office of the president and the puppet in the chair. A bit of online b*tching is rather tame considering.

Originally posted by AlreadyGone

What is important is how politically stupid they are. How could someone run such a brilliant campaign and then be so clueless... on the economy, healthcare, the Gulf spill, and now this.

One of the great marks of a great leader is an understanding of perception.... image... impact.

That's a fine point AG. Perception is everything and they know it. What doesn't fit is that they are stupid by any means. They are not, they are well schooled and they are surrounded by coaches/controllers as insurance. Outrage is the response they are seeking from the US in my opinion. Their open dedication to the NWO agenda is also likely required and so the constant display of loyalty on the world stage. Is this happening in Spain by accident? I don't think so.

hey guys, I'm glad you think something as worthless as this is ATS worthy. thanks for presenting right wing outrage on a site that is actually about conspiracies.

i also fail to see any proof that she is actually spending tax payer money, but I will continue to keep combing sources.


but seriously, keep fox news squabbles off ATS

reply to post by Hemisphere


Starred! Nothing of any significance, good or bad, at the national level can be accomplished in in a single four or eight year term. The plans are laid and the initial steps taken, well in advance of their public "implementation".

The only solution, in my worthless opinion, is to begin a systematic removal of all incumbents. Yes, even those who some believe are "righteous". At this point, it is impossible to differentiate between the good guys and the bad guys. White hats are a dime a dozen and any joker can buy one. Maybe, just maybe, within this generation, we can put the brakes on the "machine".

Originally posted by WTFover
reply to post by Hemisphere

 

The only solution, in my worthless opinion, is to begin a systematic removal of all incumbents. Yes, even those who some believe are "righteous". At this point, it is impossible to differentiate between the good guys and the bad guys. White hats are a dime a dozen and any joker can buy one. Maybe, just maybe, within this generation, we can put the brakes on the "machine".

And you starred as well! It is impossible to differentiate. Barry was groomed for decades. They likely had alternatives in place if he had failed to make the grade. Even if Barry had lost along the way, do any of us think for a moment that either Hillary or McCain would not have met their (NWO) needs? John Kerry, a fraternity brother of Bush, he wouldn't have toed the company line? Why was John Edwards (sexually) eliminated? We can guess and my guess is that despite his personal shortcomings, he was not completely in the NWO tank.

There's only one party at present and a gradual but thorough purge as you've suggested is likely the only means to a satisfactory end.

Bloomberg makes Dubai a hub

www.thenational.ae...

“Particularly since the meltdown of the western capitalist system, there has been an increasingly large focus on the virtues of Islamic finance,” he said. “Today, there is no one single provider of information that caters to the Islamic finance market. So by Bloomberg being here, we are in the process of building out an Islamic finance product. We are very confident that we can build a product that meets the needs of the market right now.”

en.wikipedia.org...

I need some fresh air.

Like maybe another planet.

Originally posted by Stormdancer777

Bloomberg makes Dubai a hub

www.thenational.ae...

“Particularly since the meltdown of the western capitalist system, there has been an increasingly large focus on the virtues of Islamic finance,” he said. “Today, there is no one single provider of information that caters to the Islamic finance market. So by Bloomberg being here, we are in the process of building out an Islamic finance product. We are very confident that we can build a product that meets the needs of the market right now.”

en.wikipedia.org...

I need some fresh air.

Like maybe another planet.

Wrong thread?

Did you mean to post this here?