Autistic Girl Expresses Profound Intelligence

reply to post by Gorman91

Good news is it's like having multiple operating systems on the same computer. One can go and write a story while I play video games, or run math simulators while I'm taking a math test. Lots of stuff. It's really great. Of course, there are problems. I'll be thinking of something, and I'll have my attention deviated. Then I'll forget it until, like, hours later the brain reminds me what I was doing before I got distracted. So when I'm in doing something like making a model for a school project, I'll play some music and keep most of my brain occupied while a lower consciousness works on the model. It's freaking weired. Like, it all deactivates with binaural music. It's both an evolutionary benefit and a curse.

We all do that in one form or another though these autistic kids seem to focus mostly in there minds, it seems they are just more in touch with them selfs and there subconscious. Interesting story of how you deprogrammed yourself....it could of been worse you could of been born in a more backwards time then todays age, then who knows you would of had some quack over you trying to get the demons out with two sticks and some papers. Some people are just idiots and crazy. Kind of like trying to heal blood loss, with leaches which suck blood.

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What are you going on about?

It is a girl in her home.....

If she wants to wear a cheerleaders costume she can?

Is it ok for cheerleaders to be on the TV before football games?

If so why cant she dress as she did?

your statement infact rings alarm bells for me, as if you feel uncomfortable about it, or find yourself attracted to her sexually that is your issue not hers.... anyway what’s wrong with her being fancied if you did?

Are you bothered by that urge and desire inside yourself, and are overcompensating as you feel repulsed that you could have thoughts like that against a person who is "disabled?"

OMG this thread as my next post is surely bringing them out isn’t it?

I see more issues on some of the posters on here than with any people Ive worked with in the mental health fields or those with Autism lol.

Kind Regards

Elf.

reply to post by old_god

I can relate to the girl in the video, while not having anything as severe I am unable to go alone into public places due to the sensory overload I experience that plays havoc with my mind and body (I get disorientated and get stuck in repetitive thoughts e.g. I will over analyse and process something I saw, heard or felt for days on end).

Cant you just construct a autopilot persona like normal people do when in those situations. You know, hello how is it going how about those dodgers today did you see that show last night. Just let the persona do the talking and walking like others do, while you do your own thing, its pretty much just habit in a habitat people get pissed when you don't communicate with the autopilot forcing there self to get involved. Or is there really a patience issue like some other poster said, and if so is it bias to the average or to something else.

reply to post by CAELENIUM

All of you seem to be expressing opinions that are based on complete ignorance as regard to what is AUTISM.
Considering the following of your post that is like the sea calling rain wet!

Autistic persons are not stupid. Mental retardation is a completely different medical condition.

Like in life and everyone else in fact not all Autistic individuals are hyper intelligent, in fact a large proportion of people who do suffer from it do have a dual diagnosis status.
Many are born with both.

Do not get confused.

Indeed lol.

If in doubt always consult with a qualified medical doctor.

Though not a medical Doctor did university in mental health specifically related to nursing in this specialised area, so I know this stuff, and have spent many hours with many children, young adults with both Mental Retardation, which I shall enlighten you is actually really called "learning Difficulties" and a range of individuals with both very high functioning Aspergers, and extreme Autism.

Contributed to the care plans, been in the multidisciplinary meetings contributed penned the strategies etc..., been responsible for inducting staff into supporting those individuals, been on call for those in my area with the most challenging of behaviours who have this and to go in and stabilise the situation. etc etc.

Maybe then you may listen a bit to me?

The autistic can be very quick thinking, and can display great literary ability, and can achieve well at school.

Just like the general population some do some don’t autism is an perception, communication and behavioural change from the "norm" and has nothing to do with Intelligence.

Unless you fall for the modern labelling of intelligence whereby learning by Rote or having things remembered that are taught to you on how to believe the world is and integrate into your belief systems as an "reality".

If you see that as intelligence then yes some people with Autism may seem very very intelligent, and those who are "normal" could get 1st class honors in some subjects to. However in reality this is not intelligence, we have just been fooled by TPTB and education into this to serve their way of controlling us, and how we create and interpret the world.

So you might ask what is the problem ?

I am wondering, I do sense one to be honest.

The problem is this. Autistic persons are very short tempered and will treat you like as if you're just a piece of plastic.

Are they sociopathic then or Psychopathic?

Do people with no autism or aspergers etc who are unable to have feelings for others also Autistic?

Are child abusers or the soldiers in the military who kill and beat civilians also Autistic?

Are Bullies Autistic?

Are men and women who manipulate the other sexes (and sometimes their own) to get physical gratification, lying that they love them to get into their knickers then dump them the next morning also Autistic?

By the way what you said is a complete misunderstanding, and shows a real lack of experience or knowledge or time spent with anyone with Autism Aspergers.

They show lower than normal concern for the rights and feelings of others,

Being unable to read the body language and learn from social behaviour clues on how the "rest" of society operates, which is often in a false way smiling as we mean something else, politicians lying does not mean they have less concern.

Infact it could be said they are more honest and don’t play the game, they are totally genuine at the time, and esp. the children wont trick and lie as much as "normal" children to get their own way.

whilst at the same time behaving very self-centred.

Infact I will spin that on it's head, they have less of an boundary between them and the world at large than others. A less defined ID or ego that develops when we are 7-8 years old, that is often what is soo frustrating to an autistic person, they want it all to be "perfect" or "right" out there outside of themselves, they cant understand so well why the outside world does not match their expectations of how it should be ordered etc.

They have infact a much less self cantered way of the world, and find it hard to distinguish between them and things out there. This is an lessening of the ego or separate ID than in "normal" people, and unlike sociopaths and psychopaths do feel have emotions and are not cold.

AS caveman’s story illustrates amazingly well and I would from his description bet my life the person was on the spectrum, when he was tapping caveman’s arm he then kissed "it better" as he saw the focus of that tactile place the focus of his attention and energy for a while, and probably had the thought that he may have hurt it, or even was just saying thank you to that part of his world that he has interacted in and with.

Autism is increasing in the population at an alarming rate.

Indeed, however with aspergers it was diagnosed before.


Already one in every one hundred is suffering this affliction. Autism is very bad for the community, since autistic persons show no regard for such relationships.


Diversity is not bad. Hitler and the eugenics programme Nazi ism came from just the same stance and statement. Autistic people have infact in retrospect been some of the best relationships I have had, total honest and lots of love.

Unlike Lovers/friends I have had who have pretended to care and done things behind my back, or switched from Loving and Loyal, a friend to a totally different relationship in a flick of an eye when the cookie or prize makes it to their selfish motives worthwhile.

Autistic people are more genuine, much of the "norm" in society has a lot to learn about that honesty and genuiness.

Autistic persons have no idea what the problem is,

Maybe mentioning the above I just added, they do know what the problem is, and we don’t, just because they wont play by the rules of the "norm" does not mean they are wrong!

and thus have no idea why it is that they are being labelled as autistic. Looking at the world from the military point of view, autism is not a problem. Since autistic persons are very unlikely to comprehend what is wrong with having to serve in the military.

I suggest you watch Full Metal Jacket.

Again you are treading on the grounds and speaking like the founders of Nazism.

Autistic persons are just naturally predatory.

As shown this is wrong.

You have no idea at all what you are talking about.

I don’t think in my entire life, to include working with and studying mental Health I have ever heard such an ignorant statement on an disorder, any disorder that is.

being part of a specialist team that worked on the first resettlement of those with profound Challenging behaviour with mental health needs into the community when the asylums were closed down as such in the 90's in the UK when "care in the Community" first came out I really have heard some tripe from those who now soo little what they spouse on about, but in all that time that one phrase takes the biscuit!

Infact just to let you know I have txt that to quite a few friends who were colleagues and some who still work in that arena, the response to put it mildly is sarcastic, and you have brought a lot of laughs to those who know about this subject.

Thus the military are probably happy that autism is spreading to ever increasing numbers of the population.

Do people with autism go into the military?

Maybe some with aspergers?

They are happy that actually that Sociopathic and Psychopathic self cantered clearly defined separate egotistical angry young men are being created through our society, through media education, winning at all costs and the lack of community and family structures.

What is causing so much autism ? Why is there such a large increase in the numbers of children being born with autism ? I suspect that the root cause is FOETAL ALCOHOL SYNDROME and the like of it, due to the ever increasing amount of toxic chemicals entering the food chain.

Should the parents go to the camps to? to be sterilised so they cant destroy our precious perfect society?

Also utter tripe again.

There is also the possibility that it is being caused by hereditary factors in the DNA, in much the same way as EPILEPSY is now known to be caused by a particular Codon of the DNA ?

Epilepsy is a medical condition that can be generated both by the wiring in the brain when the foetus is developing, but also by environmental factors latter in life and also by Trauma.

It is totally different to Autism, you cant "get" autism after a bump on the head or an operation, or environmental factors latter in life.

Another possibility is that radiations and magnetic fields are a cause, or might be aggravating an already existent,

Well I certainly would not put radiation out of the picture as in damaging the foetus cell dna and normal development, or even the egg or sperm, magnetism is a new one on me any sources??? would be interesting.

but otherwise subliminal problem ?

Subliminal problem?
So you mean people with autism pick up subliminal messages before the even develop their nervous system entirely in the womb?

Again wtf are you going on about?
I would be a little careful in being so strong in your views on this sort of subject if you have no idea what you are talking about in the future.

Take a little elf slap from me & think before you post, do some research, know what you talk about, and if its just your personal opinion make it plain it is just that rather than trying to pretend to come from a position of strength as you attempted to do with you opinion.
Elf

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reply to post by impaired


I am at least somewhat autistic and I can relate. My head feels like it is on fire almost all of the time. Even though I know what the right thing to do is in a social situation, it doesn't mean I can do it. If my head is on fire and I'm confused I won't be able to talk clearly or make any sense, or I might be socially awkward.

It can get worse in situations with a lot of stimulation or novelty. I did manage to graduate college, but in all honesty, going to class was not helpful for me because all I heard was noise. I don't think that I had the full college experience everyone else was having because I was barely able to leave my house easily.

However, I used heavy amounts of listing to help with processing information and was able to accomplish quite a lot, even though it put me through more pain. I was able to run a recording studio, recording many albums of music, and graduate.

Yes, the autism seems to grant me special abilities like working with music completely by ear. I visualize each song like a tapestry as well.

But at the moment, I am living at home and in pain all the time in my head. I guess the point is, if the pain and confusion went away, I would be a normal person. It does at times, as well. And I'm not that heavily on the spectrum, I have friends and such. The reason I use patterns in my life is because it reduces novelty, which causes pain.

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reply to post by CAELENIUM


Perhaps you need to bunker in and learn more about Autism. Foetal Alcohol Syndrome has in fact been ruled out simply because a majority of the parents don't drink alcohol, never have. There is still alot more to these kids doctors don't know, some is guess work but not always correct. Autistic kids, predators? Introverted yes, but definately not predatory!

reply to post by MischeviousElf


excellant post !!!

I'm kind of surprised no one has mentioned demonic possession yet.

Originally posted by againuntodust
I'm kind of surprised no one has mentioned demonic possession yet.

Funny you say that, I was thinking about the case of Emily Rose aka Anneliese Michel, the german girl who was apparently possessed by various demonic entities.

Reading up on that case it's easy to see similarities in extreme cases of autism so may Anneliese Michel had some kind of autism or autistic people are "touched by the devil" as would have been said in the pre-science days

Originally posted by galadofwarthethird
reply to post by old_god

 

I can relate to the girl in the video, while not having anything as severe I am unable to go alone into public places due to the sensory overload I experience that plays havoc with my mind and body (I get disorientated and get stuck in repetitive thoughts e.g. I will over analyse and process something I saw, heard or felt for days on end).

Cant you just construct a autopilot persona like normal people do when in those situations.

That's exactly what I do now, I have this outer persona I have built up to combat my introvert nature that I use to get through my daily life like work etc (but I do get low days where I don't have the energy to manifest this persona and I tend to just switch off on those days and sink into deep thoughts).

I takes me a few days to get the courage up to visit largely populated places as I have to story board the process in my mind until I have factored as many variables as possible so I feel a bit more in control of myself.

Like I said I have overcome it now, but it can get tiring sometimes. The sensory overload can cause my neck to get stiff, I feel like I am not quite in control of my physical movements but I would say 80% of the time I am able to deal with the situation e.g. if I need to go buy some clothes and I find my path overcrowded with people I just visualise a path between them and focus on getting to the shop where I feel the smaller space and the walls help keep my thoughts at bay (I have trouble with open spaces full of people).

I am pretty sure autistic or not, we all have the odd one or two personal oddities

Our brain is like a radio receiving waves of Consciousness. When the brain is broken , the waves aren't received properly.

If the story about the autistic girl is true ( i'd like to see evidence that she can actually type a sentence and not just a word) Then it shows that she is a fully conscious, intelligent being within a body who's brain is not functioning properly.

This would be a great example of Body/Mind hypothesis -- I.e evidence that we are eternal beings incarnate in material bodies.

no?

reply to post by impaired


Just beautifull.

I will use my second line to repeat; beautifull.

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reply to post by impaired
After reading your post I was curious as to the location of Carly Fleischmann's Dragon Head. So I had to do an internet search to find her birthdate which is January 26, 1995. Her Moon and Dragon Head were in Scorpio (power) over the 11th House (genius potential, hi-tech, computers, intellectual, surprise, release of energy...). She was set at birth to be brilliant, powerfully brilliant.
Because she was born on January 26, there will be some of you who will classify her as an Aquarius, a Sun in Aquarius. But under the method of Divine Astrology I use which is called Astropsychology her Sun is in the 2nd House. She has much influence coming from Aquarius, Scorpio and Pisces:
Capricorn, 1st House (Uranus [Aquarius] and Neptune [Pisces])
Aquarius, 2nd House-Taurus (Mercury and her Sun)
Scorpio, 11th House-Aquarius (Dragon Head, Moon)
Leo, 8th House-Scorpio (Mars in Leo)
Sagittarius, 12th House-Pisces (Venus, Jupiter and Pluto in Sagittarius)
Pisces, 3rd House-Gemini (Saturn in Pisces)

reply to post by impaired


So in effect what I think I was understanding from the whole of the story is that Autism seems to be Human genetics trying to mutate to step forward on the evolutionary ladder. Trying to be able to consume all the information thrown at us at once and process it. The genetics just don't seem to have perfected this step forward yet. S+F for the touching story and the break through.

Unless I missed it previously, I'll ask the question once more:

When/how did Carly learn to read, write and spell ?
Who taught her to do so ? Her parents ? But I was under the impression that they believed that many normal learning functions were beyond her abilities.

I've always felt that autism was a smoke screen to the intelligence hidden within some individuals.

This post really made me feel good and verified what I always suspected.
tx

b

reply topost by tauristercus
Carly Fleischmann learned to play "Mary Had a Little Lamb" on the piano with the aid of a student/therapist who used a laptop to flash pictures of an ice cream cone, popcorn and a bag of chips so Carly could in turn hit the appropriate key to play the song. Since the age of 4, her parents used ABA, a behavioral analysis system using basic principles of positive reinforcement in working with Carly to reward her with candy or toys to teach her language skills and how to play appropriately. Consistency in ABA was essential to prevent regression.
The parents had to become Carly's advocate and set her life up so she could succeed, including going to court (Carly's parents vs the school board). That is why therapists and a speech pathologist came to the home; and a special needs assistant was used in the classroom.

Originally posted by tauristercus
Unless I missed it previously, I'll ask the question once more:

When/how did Carly learn to read, write and spell ?
Who taught her to do so ? Her parents ? But I was under the impression that they believed that many normal learning functions were beyond her abilities.

I believe she just took it in as the years when by. Autistic people are indeed known to have photographic memories. Perhaps she freeze-framed a bunch of times she was taught things when she was younger and literally studied them.

And as far as people saying that this is a hoax - come on!
Didn't someone post a video up of her typing to Larry King?

Here's an interesting thing she said. I freeze-framed the video at 5:25. This is verbatim - punctuation and all:

I think people get a lot of their information from so-called experts, but if a horse is sick, you don't ask a fish what's wrong with the horse. You go right to the horse's mouth.

That's extremely interesting. Not just what she said, but the perfect grammar and punctuation.