reply to post by CAELENIUM
All of you seem to be expressing opinions that are based on complete ignorance as regard to what is AUTISM.
Considering the following of your post that is like the sea calling rain wet!
Autistic persons are not stupid. Mental retardation is a completely different medical condition.
Like in life and everyone else in fact not all Autistic individuals are hyper intelligent, in fact a large proportion of people who do suffer from it
do have a dual diagnosis status.
Many are born with both.
Do not get confused.
If in doubt always consult with a qualified medical doctor.
Though not a medical Doctor did university in mental health specifically related to nursing in this specialised area, so I know this stuff, and have
spent many hours with many children, young adults with both Mental Retardation, which I shall enlighten you is actually really called "learning
Difficulties" and a range of individuals with both very high functioning Aspergers, and extreme Autism.
Contributed to the care plans, been in the multidisciplinary meetings contributed penned the strategies etc..., been responsible for inducting staff
into supporting those individuals, been on call for those in my area with the most challenging of behaviours who have this and to go in and stabilise
the situation. etc etc.
Maybe then you may listen a bit to me?
The autistic can be very quick thinking, and can display great literary ability, and can achieve well at school.
Just like the general population some do some don’t autism is an perception, communication and behavioural change from the "norm" and has nothing
to do with Intelligence.
Unless you fall for the modern labelling of intelligence whereby learning by Rote or having things remembered that are taught to you on how to believe
the world is and integrate into your belief systems as an "reality".
If you see that as intelligence then yes some people with Autism may seem very very intelligent, and those who are "normal" could get 1st class
honors in some subjects to. However in reality this is not intelligence, we have just been fooled by TPTB and education into this to serve their way
of controlling us, and how we create and interpret the world.
So you might ask what is the problem ?
I am wondering, I do sense one to be honest.
The problem is this. Autistic persons are very short tempered and will treat you like as if you're just a piece of plastic.
Are they sociopathic then or Psychopathic?
Do people with no autism or aspergers etc who are unable to have feelings for others also Autistic?
Are child abusers or the soldiers in the military who kill and beat civilians also Autistic?
Are Bullies Autistic?
Are men and women who manipulate the other sexes (and sometimes their own) to get physical gratification, lying that they love them to get into their
knickers then dump them the next morning also Autistic?
By the way what you said is a complete misunderstanding, and shows a real lack of experience or knowledge or time spent with anyone with Autism
They show lower than normal concern for the rights and feelings of others,
Being unable to read the body language and learn from social behaviour clues on how the "rest" of society operates, which is often in a false way
smiling as we mean something else, politicians lying does not mean they have less concern.
Infact it could be said they are more honest and don’t play the game, they are totally genuine at the time, and esp. the children wont trick and lie
as much as "normal" children to get their own way.
whilst at the same time behaving very self-centred.
Infact I will spin that on it's head, they have less of an boundary between them and the world at large than others. A less defined ID or ego that
develops when we are 7-8 years old, that is often what is soo frustrating to an autistic person, they want it all to be "perfect" or "right" out
there outside of themselves, they cant understand so well why the outside world does not match their expectations of how it should be ordered etc.
They have infact a much less self cantered way of the world, and find it hard to distinguish between them and things out there. This is an lessening
of the ego or separate ID than in "normal" people, and unlike sociopaths and psychopaths do feel have emotions and are not cold.
AS caveman’s story illustrates amazingly well and I would from his description bet my life the person was on the spectrum, when he was tapping
caveman’s arm he then kissed "it better" as he saw the focus of that tactile place the focus of his attention and energy for a while, and probably
had the thought that he may have hurt it, or even was just saying thank you to that part of his world that he has interacted in and with.
Autism is increasing in the population at an alarming rate.
Indeed, however with aspergers it was diagnosed before.
Already one in every one hundred is suffering this affliction. Autism is very bad for the community, since autistic persons show no regard for such
Diversity is not bad. Hitler and the eugenics programme Nazi ism came from just the same stance and statement. Autistic people have infact in
retrospect been some of the best relationships I have had, total honest and lots of love.
Unlike Lovers/friends I have had who have pretended to care and done things behind my back, or switched from Loving and Loyal, a friend to a totally
different relationship in a flick of an eye when the cookie or prize makes it to their selfish motives worthwhile.
Autistic people are more genuine, much of the "norm" in society has a lot to learn about that honesty and genuiness.
Autistic persons have no idea what the problem is,
Maybe mentioning the above I just added, they do know what the problem is, and we don’t, just because they wont play by the rules of the "norm"
does not mean they are wrong!
and thus have no idea why it is that they are being labelled as autistic. Looking at the world from the military point of view, autism is not a
problem. Since autistic persons are very unlikely to comprehend what is wrong with having to serve in the military.
I suggest you watch Full Metal Jacket.
Again you are treading on the grounds and speaking like the founders of Nazism.
Autistic persons are just naturally predatory.
As shown this is wrong.
You have no idea at all what you are talking about.
I don’t think in my entire life, to include working with and studying mental Health I have ever heard such an ignorant statement on an disorder, any
disorder that is.
being part of a specialist team that worked on the first resettlement of those with profound Challenging behaviour with mental health needs into the
community when the asylums were closed down as such in the 90's in the UK when "care in the Community" first came out I really have heard some
tripe from those who now soo little what they spouse on about, but in all that time that one phrase takes the biscuit!
Infact just to let you know I have txt that to quite a few friends who were colleagues and some who still work in that arena, the response to put it
mildly is sarcastic, and you have brought a lot of laughs to those who know about this subject.
Thus the military are probably happy that autism is spreading to ever increasing numbers of the population.
Do people with autism go into the military?
Maybe some with aspergers?
They are happy that actually that Sociopathic and Psychopathic self cantered clearly defined separate egotistical angry young men are being created
through our society, through media education, winning at all costs and the lack of community and family structures.
What is causing so much autism ? Why is there such a large increase in the numbers of children being born with autism ? I suspect that the root cause
is FOETAL ALCOHOL SYNDROME and the like of it, due to the ever increasing amount of toxic chemicals entering the food chain.
Should the parents go to the camps to? to be sterilised so they cant destroy our precious perfect society?
Also utter tripe again.
There is also the possibility that it is being caused by hereditary factors in the DNA, in much the same way as EPILEPSY is now known to be caused by
a particular Codon of the DNA ?
Epilepsy is a medical condition that can be generated both by the wiring in the brain when the foetus is developing, but also by environmental factors
latter in life and also by Trauma.
It is totally different to Autism, you cant "get" autism after a bump on the head or an operation, or environmental factors latter in life.
Another possibility is that radiations and magnetic fields are a cause, or might be aggravating an already existent,
Well I certainly would not put radiation out of the picture as in damaging the foetus cell dna and normal development, or even the egg or sperm,
magnetism is a new one on me any sources??? would be interesting.
but otherwise subliminal problem ?
So you mean people with autism pick up subliminal messages before the even develop their nervous system entirely in the womb?
Again wtf are you going on about?
I would be a little careful in being so strong in your views on this sort of subject if you have no idea what you are talking about in the future.
Take a little elf slap from me & think before you post, do some research, know what you talk about, and if its just your personal opinion make it
plain it is just that rather than trying to pretend to come from a position of strength as you attempted to do with you opinion.
[edit on 25-7-2010 by MischeviousElf]