Originally posted by dreamwalker74
reply to post by hawkiye

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"I know it seems overwhelming but you might as well start now because in the next few year everyone will have to be pretty self sufficient or die."

Just curious as to wheteher you are reffering to 2012, or the collapse of the world economy? Both of which I believe are very possible. Though I have had to ask myself lately "Are these scenarios created by TPTB to give us an "out" to our current lives, our current state of slavery, and our current state of boredom? I have been looking at these scenarios for a long long time. Not only prepearing but perhaps going above and beyond. Though at this point I feel like I could have been played, just to keep me docile. Yes I am prepared for the worse at this point. Though if nothing happens, how much did I miss in the mean time by paying attention to the lies? Is this part of the slavery?

The Promissory Note To Pay Our Debts

HJR-192 of June 5, 1933 is the promissory note (the promise of Abraham) the government issued to balance the exchange to credit the people. The Promissory note is on the debit side of the United States Governments ledger, which was a debited from their credit, created by the Executive Order of April 5, 1933 when they took the gold out of circulation. Public Policy is rooted in HJR-192 and is Grace that creates our exemption. This is your temporal saving grace. Under grace, the law falls away to create a more perfect contract. Public Policy removed the people's liability to make all payments by making a contract null if it required the payment to be in substance, because the people didn't have any money to pay with. All that must be done now is to discharge the liability. Pay and discharge are similar words but the principles are as different as Old and New Testaments. The word "pay" is equated with gold and silver, or something of substance like a first-born lamb, which requires tangible work to be invested in it to remove the liability because an execution must occur. The word "Discharge" is equated with paper, or even more basic, simple credits and debits, that exist on paper only, like the slate held by the agents/angels of heaven that get swiped clean. You cannot pay a bill with a bill and you cannot pay a debt with a debt. What HJR-192 did was, remove the liability of an obligor (someone obligated to pay a debt) by making it against Public Policy to pay debts. All that needs to be done now is discharge the debit with an appropriate credit "dollar for dollar." Debt must be discharged dollar for dollar in the same sense, as sin was discharged on the Cross. The moment a debt exists, it must be written off. The catch is, we can't write off the debt because we are not in possession of the account in deficit; our fiduciary agent is in possession of the account so we must provide him with the tax return (by the return of the original offer) so the fiduciary can discharge the liability through their internal revenue service (the bookkeeper). Most feel that when the money was taken out of society, the people became the slaves, this is not true, the people were freed from every obligation that society could create thus freeing the people from any obligation which they may incur simply because we cannot pay a debt. Ask yourself the question, What are you charging me with? And how do you expect Me to pay? Simply said, there is no money, plain and simple for me to make the payment with and on top of that, if I were to pay, who is paying Me to pay that guy and who's paying that guy and so on... Public Policy is the supercedious bond because it limits our liability to pay. It is the more perfect contract because it operates on grace to pay our debts after we have done all that we can. We go as far as we can to fulfill the obligation (acceptance and tax return) and after we have done all we can, mercy and grace kick in being our exemption to make the payment. Grace creates our exemption in the industrial society so long as we accept the charge.

Originally posted by dreamwalker74
reply to post by daddio

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What you say is true, There is no "true money". We have no more gold in the reserve. For that matter never had enough to back up the amount of money that is in circulation today, in the history of mankind. We are basing all of our debt on future labor and land. If in-fact the chinese called in the American debt tomorow, we would have a choice, Either give up all federal land to China, or go to war. The latter is far more likely. The biggest question is: The Chineese realize we are completely broke as a country, and likely will never be able to pay them back. Why do they keep letting us borrow?

www.law.cornell.edu...

TITLE 15 > CHAPTER 4 > § 148
§ 148. Payment of stock in real or personal property

No share of stock of a China Trade Act corporation shall, for the purposes of section 147 of this title or of subdivision (d) of section 144 of this title, be held paid in real or personal property unless

(1) a certificate describing the property and stating the value at which it is to be received has been filed by the corporation with the Secretary or the registrar in such manner as shall be by regulation prescribed, and a fee to be fixed by the Secretary or the registrar, respectively, to cover the cost of any necessary investigation has been paid, and

(2) the Secretary or the registrar, as the case may be, finds and has certified to the corporation that such value is not more than the fair market value of the property.