9th of Av: A Day Cursed by God (falls on July 20, 2010)

reply to post by Aresh Troxit


Just thought I'd share a little detail. The job is finished. This is the verse in question.

Matthew 24
14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

If you take Occam's razor to the prophecy you can only come to one conclusion. You only needed one per nation/ethnic group.

This prophecy is fulfilled.

Originally posted by ntech
reply to post by Aresh Troxit

 

Just thought I'd share a little detail. The job is finished. This is the verse in question.

Matthew 24
14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

If you take Occam's razor to the prophecy you can only come to one conclusion. You only needed one per nation/ethnic group.

This prophecy is fulfilled.

Question:

Precisely how many "nations" know that Jesus taught the Doctrine of "resurrection" as a Doctrine of 'Rebirth' and that John the Baptist was Elijah 'raised from the dead'.

How many?

And, by the way, it does not say in the Gospel of Matthew that people would believe the witness of the Gospels, just that the witness would exist.

Michael Cecil

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Originally posted by Michael Cecil

Elijah never died. Nor Melchizedek. (spelling?)

And John was the voice crying in the wilderness, make ready for the day of the Lord.

I do agree though they don't have to believe, but the gospel will reach the 4 corners of the earth. The gospel of Jesus Christ AS Lord and Saviour. No dogma required.

I think the moment of Jesus eartly death was the judgment day. What we are waiting for is more like the sentencing. I think to a large degree we are in a state of ... mercy, where we can accept our "guilty verdict", show remorse, and attempt to make things right. By accepting Jesus, he takes on the punishment for us, which has been stated, but not yet enforced.

Satan knows his time is short, the end result has already been decided. Note when speaking to satanists, they accept that God is first, and satan is the usurper, they accept that there is a battle to come, they have however been misled into believing they can still overcome. Being children of lies, it is only to be expected that they have been lied to, sad they cannot see this for themselves.

This is an awesome thread, i really enjoy some of the responses to date, especially the bible verses quoted.

To the OP: who says it is cursed by "God", and not by man?
This date was very well spotted, since the obfuscation of calenders was done specifically so that we would not be able to connect dots such as these.

Looking forward to more insight from the other members.

Some interesting information so far.

I understand that the 9th of Av is the ninth day of the eleventh month according to the Hebrew calendar. So it can be looked at in my opinion as the original 9/11. Even when you look at the fall of Israel and Judah the numbers seem prominent and thus significant especially to their demise (e.g. 2 Kings17:6; 2 Chronicles 36:11; 2 Kings 25:1-2; Jeremiah 39:1-2).

Also, concerning eclipses, comets and the like it is held that these celestial phenomena may prefigure wars, disasters and changes in governments (Check out this extract entitled Comets and Eclipses www.itsaboutthattime.net...

I'm personally wondering if Tishri (September/October) this year might herald some significant event. I know that October has historically been a month to watch for potential disasters in the American economy. And patterns or synchronicities, cycles and types, I believe, are all significant in the Bible since for instance God's holy days have typified globally important events, both in the past and in the future (e.g. Jesus Christ was crucified on Passover, the Holy Spirit was given to God's people on Pentecost, etc.), not unlike what the preacher said: "The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun" (Ecclesiastes 1:9).


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reply to post by Michael Cecil


I would say enough if it was part of the "gospel" that needed to be spread to the world.

Why?

If you look at the entire prophecy of Matthew 24 the parable of the fig tree compares end time events to the opening of fig leaves in the spring. Verse 24-14 is the first of the fig leaves.

And there is a problem. The rebirth of a nation called Israel is a predicted end time event in the book of Ezekiel. Therefor then verse 24-14 is complete.


Also another tidbit for the thread. A few years back I figured out what exactly happened to the Jews 2000 years ago. They triggered the curse of Malachi.

Malachi 4
5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD:
6 And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.

John the Baptist according to Malachi was supposed to have been there when Jesus Christ went to the temple and drove out the money changers. It was supposed to have been a 2 man job.

Instead the Jews triggered a 2000 year top level Leviticus 26 curse. And here is the declaration of the curse in the book of Hosea. As interpreted through Psalms 90 and 2nd Peter 3-8.

Hosea 5
14 For I will be unto Ephraim as a lion, and as a young lion to the house of Judah: I, even I, will tear and go away; I will take away, and none shall rescue him.
15 I will go and return to my place, till they acknowledge their offence, and seek my face: in their affliction they will seek me early.

Hosea 6
1 Come, and let us return unto the LORD: for he hath torn, and he will heal us; he hath smitten, and he will bind us up.
2 After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight.

2nd Peter
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

My best guess is that the end times are over by the spring of 2028 at the latest.

Regarding July 20th

heres some interesting events of the past.
20th July 1969 : The Apollo 11 astronauts made history when the first man is landed on the moon by the United States and Neil Armstrong and Edwin 'Buzz' Aldrin became the first humans to set foot on the Moon leaving the first human footprints in its dusty soil. They raised their nation's flag and talked to their President on earth 240,000 miles away, and the famous words "That's one small step for man, one giant leap for mankind." was seen and heard by people around the globe

20th July 1923 : Francisco Villa ( Pancho Villa ) is assassinated in Parral, Chihuahua, in his car and the assassins were never arrested.

20th July 1925 : An explosion in a new York apartment sends the owner crashing through the windows and onto the street 3 floors below has been traced to an illegal 8 gallon still that exploded.


20th July 1931 : Prime Minister MacDonald of Great Britain is hosting one of the most important conferences since Versailles with 7 of the worlds most important statesman attending, The Conference is to try and help the war stricken Germany get free from the economic catastrophe it is currently facing.

20th July 1944 : Adolf Hitler and 12 of his military and naval leaders were injured when a bomb exploded during a meeting at Hitler's headquarters in an assassination attempt on Hitler.

20th July 1948 : President Harry Truman issued a proclamation today calling for a peacetime military draft because of rising tensions between the United States and the Soviet Union

20th July 1950 : India has again requested that communist China is given a seat on the United Nations Security Council as a first step to ending the conflict in Korea, The United States has again vetoed the idea.

20th July 1951 : King Abdullah of Jordan was assassinated in Jerusalem by a Palestinian nationalist.

20th July 1976 : On the seventh anniversary of the Apollo 11 lunar landing, the Viking 1 lander, an unmanned U.S. planetary probe, becomes the first spacecraft to successfully land on the surface of Mars.

20th July 1995 : Native Canadian Indians are blocking roads, threatening sit-ins and challenging government authorities , and many believe it is only a matter of time before bloodshed happens. They are angry that Government Departments are bypassing the Chiefs and going to local bands to negotiate treaty rights because they are not as strong. The Indian Chiefs believe the government should negotiate with the chiefs which represent 500,000 Indians in Canada, and not take their fishing and hunting rights by using a divide and conquer strategy.

Thats just a few
Just thought i would bring it to your attention.

its also

Friend's Day
Christian Feast Day



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Originally posted by harryhaller


To the OP: who says it is cursed by "God", and not by man?
This date was very well spotted, since the obfuscation of calenders was done specifically so that we would not be able to connect dots such as these.

I believe it is the Jewish historians and general concensus among that faith that 9 Av is a cursed day because historical evidence upholds horrible disasters on that day throughout the past couple of thousand years.

On the chabad.org website I linked in an earlier post here, it absolutely states that 9 Av is a "Day cursed by God".

Could this be why the OT makes reference to the "Day of Jehovah"? Could it be that it is actually a specific day that has been used in the past as foreshadowing for the biggest event?

reply to post by Alethea

This year, 9 Av falls on July 20. Is there some omen in the three years of consecutive eclipses on 1 Av?

You are following a fixed calandar, and it was warned in the OT (which Im guessing you follow ) that you should not 'fix/predicit' the calandar (moonphase) for it must MUST be observed. Reason being is that dark moon phase can last anywhere from 1 day to 3 days.....so the NEW MOON CRESENT MUST BE OBSERVED.

A true new moon in Biblical days was the NEW CRESCENT......it was NOT when the moon and sun conjuncted.....for how can they observe a 'no moon'? They waited for the first sign of the thin silver crescent in the sky to assert a new month.

Eclipses DO NOT happen on the day of NEW MOON......

So all your assertions of '1st of Av and eclipses' is wrong.....all due to man and his predicted calendar.....

The new moon was sighted on the 13th of July on our calendar....now when it was sighted in Jerusalem (which is when it would matter) may have been on the 12th if we figure that a day is from dusk to dusk.....but Im betting that the true first of Av was on the 13th.

They still follow this tradition in Jerusalem.....2 men are appointed to stand looking for the 'new moon'.....to 'observe' the first sightings of the 'new moon' so they can starts their 'new month'.

stardate.org...


www.karaite-korner.org...

www.karaite-korner.org...

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I could be wrong, but I believe that the 9th of Av begins this year on July 19 at sunset and ends on July 20 at sunset in Israel. Adjust for your own time zone.

Originally posted by darkelf
I could be wrong, but I believe that the 9th of Av begins this year on July 19 at sunset and ends on July 20 at sunset in Israel. Adjust for your own time zone.

How can that be if the new crescent did not come until the 13th after dusk?

Originally posted by ntech

If you look at the entire prophecy of Matthew 24 the parable of the fig tree compares end time events to the opening of fig leaves in the spring. Verse 24-14 is the first of the fig leaves.

And there is a problem. The rebirth of a nation called Israel is a predicted end time event in the book of Ezekiel. Therefor then verse 24-14 is complete.

What "authority" decided that the budding of the fig represented Israel becoming a nation. That notion is subjective. There is nothing to substantiate that as the meaning.

If you notice the green movement, though, it first started out as an icon with 2 green leaves. Then it became three, and now there are four. There is also a circle in the middle of the stem now. I suppose the green circle represents the "fig". When the fig buds has to do with the green movement coming into vogue again.

I say "again" because people of the past have left us warnings of this. These "over population" ploys have been used before. The need for killing people for the sake of having enough food for "the chosen" has happened before. The Rosslyn church left us the grotesqueness of the Green Man as a reminder. These green man carvings are very old and can be found in many cathedrals all over Europe.

No, the fig budding does not represent Isreal becoming a nation in 1948. Who was responsible for first stating that as factual information and starting it as a rumor until by osmosis people just began to accept it as "common knowledge"? Who perpetrated this metaphorical fraud? A TV evangelist?

Seriously...can you give the name of the originator of this "fig=Israel" movement?

Originally posted by LeoVirgo
reply to post by Alethea

 

Eclipses DO NOT happen on the day of NEW MOON......

As I understand it many have in the past dismissed the miraculous phenomena that occurred at the time of Christ's crucifixion (e.g. sun going black) saying that it was a natural phenomenon i.e. an eclipse. But, the fact is that eclipses DO NOT happen on the day of the full moon (which is when Christ was crucified). They only can happen at the time of the new moon. Hence the numinous nature of the event.

Originally posted by cameraobscura

Originally posted by LeoVirgo
reply to post by Alethea

 

Eclipses DO NOT happen on the day of NEW MOON......

As I understand it many have in the past dismissed the miraculous phenomena that occurred at the time of Christ's crucifixion (e.g. sun going black) saying that it was a natural phenomenon i.e. an eclipse. But, the fact is that eclipses DO NOT happen on the day of the full moon (which is when Christ was crucified). They only can happen at the time of the new moon. Hence the numinous nature of the event.

Of crucial importance here is the symbolism involved in the event.

Jesus was crucified "at the place of the skull" and "between two thieves".

This can be instantly understood as a parallel symbolism to the two serpents of the caduceus winding around a central staff with wings on top(a symbol of the medical profession--a hospital corpsman in the Navy, for example); which is also a symbol for the Vision of the "Son of man" and the "Night Journey" of Mohammed; something that is referred to in the Eastern esoteric traditions as the spontaneous vision of kundalini.

And, in American Indian traditions, this is referred to by the symbolism of the "Thunderbird"; or "Pegasus" in the Greek tradition.

"The face of the sun going black and the earthquake" are very specific elements of the Vision of the "Son of man", if not the vision of kundalini.

This Vision is also represented in the "light show" segment of "Jupiter and Beyond the Infinite" in 2001--A Space Odyssey; a link to which can be found on my website.

Michael Cecil

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According to the Gospels and/or Christian legend, Jesus is said to have fallen 3 times on the way to "the place of the skull".

The first fall represents the 'movement' of self-reflection, symbolized by the "serpent" in Genesis 3, as the "dragon" in Revelations 12, and referred to by Jesus as "Satan".

The second fall represents the "tree of the knowledge of good and evil"; that is, the "self"; which is symbolized in the Revelation of John as the Second Seal and the "beast of the sea".

The third fall represents the 'clothing' worn by Adam and Eve in Genesis 3 (see Saying #37 in the Gospel of Thomas), which is the consciousness of the 'thinker', and is symbolized in the Revelation of John as the Third Seal and the "beast of the earth".

Meanwhile, the three crosses at the "place of the skull" symbolize the ida, the pingala, and the sushumna of the vision of kundalini.

The left or 'lunar' current represents, more or less, the 'unconscious' or the consciousness of the "self"; while the right or 'solar' current represents, more or less, the consciousness of the 'thinker'.

Further information on the Unsealing of the Seven Seals is to be found on my webpage.

Further details are available mostly in the context of an oral Teaching.

Michael Cecil

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Originally posted by cameraobscura

Originally posted by LeoVirgo
reply to post by Alethea

 

Eclipses DO NOT happen on the day of NEW MOON......

As I understand it many have in the past dismissed the miraculous phenomena that occurred at the time of Christ's crucifixion (e.g. sun going black) saying that it was a natural phenomenon i.e. an eclipse. But, the fact is that eclipses DO NOT happen on the day of the full moon (which is when Christ was crucified). They only can happen at the time of the new moon. Hence the numinous nature of the event.

If there was a full moon and the moon turned dark...this was a lunar eclipse, but we are not talking about the day of Christ death. There most definitely could of been a lunar eclipse at the time of a full month (lunar is when the moon gets covered by Earths shadow). Are you saying that these 3 solar eclipses and new moon is miraculous??? Please go read what the book says, find the definition given for 'newmoon' (thin crescent in the sky).....then show me where on the dates given that there was a sighted new moon.

We are talking about the false info being spread on the web about when the 1st day of a new month is.

Im just so curious why the followers of the Bible are not aware of the calendar the book holds and why they dont understand what the Biblical new moon is.

The calendar is one of the things I found of great use, for it keeps mankind in sync with seasons for planting and harvesting.

Originally posted by LeoVirgo

If there was a full moon and the moon turned dark...this was a lunar eclipse, but we are not talking about the day of Christ death. There most definitely could of been a lunar eclipse at the time of a full month (lunar is when the moon gets covered by Earths shadow).

I am just politely correcting you about the timing of a solar eclipse as you asserted that such cannot occur during a new moon, when in fact as I understand it that is the only time when such can occur. And I used the celestial phenomenon that occurred during Christ's death as an example.

And to clarify further concerning the supernatural phenomenon of the sun being darkened at Christ's crucifixion I don't believe that it could have been a lunar eclipse either because the event occurred in the daytime from midday to 3 pm in the afternoon not at night.

Originally posted by harryhaller

Elijah never died. Nor Melchizedek. (spelling?)

Melchizedek is a Masonic Order. I think we are being set up.
Order of the Holy Spirit is also in the top ranks of the pyramid.

I suspect that one day some of these groups will step forward and pretend to speak "on behalf of Jesus" just the way that some groups and cults have lead people astray assuming to speak "on behalf of God".

It seems a lot of xtians are expecting Jesus to return to establish a kingdom here. That is not what Jesus said. He said "my kingdom is NOT of this world" and he also said that he would receive us where he is...Not that he would ever return here.

Originally posted by Michael Cecil


Of crucial importance here is the symbolism involved in the event.

Jesus was crucified "at the place of the skull" and "between two thieves".

The symbolism is very simple. It points to who really murdered Jesus. It was Skull and Bones. Secret societies that reigned even then. He exposed these pirates in the temple, and made known their secret connections between the political elements and corporate elements. Pharisees, priests, and temple merchants. He laid it open....all the evil and exploitation....for the masses to see the wool being pulled over their eyes. Jesus was a threat to the corporate religious power mongers.

The Sanhedrin had been infiltrated by a certain number of secret society. It was this small group who held the mock trial and sentenced him. It was not the entire Sanhedrin council.

The "place of the skull" is an important hint for us to know that this was a Ritual Killing as well as vendetta for disrupting their lucrative businesses.

This is why the scriptures tell you that "Jesus rent the veil in the Temple from top to bottom". That is a metaphor. He not only pulled open the veil, or curtain, he tore it in half, exposing all the inner workings of who is really operating Oz.

Originally posted by Alethea

Originally posted by harryhaller

Elijah never died. Nor Melchizedek. (spelling?)

Melchizedek is a Masonic Order. I think we are being set up.

"Melech" in Hebrew is "king".

"Melchi" is the first person possessive: "My king."

"Melchi" Zedek means "My king [of] Righteousness."

This has an esoteric meaning.

A meaning that the Jewish, Christian and Muslim religious 'authorities' do not want you to know; a meaning directly tied to a statement in the Thanksgiving Hymns detailing the depth of the conflict between Jesus, the author of the Hymns, and the Jewish religious establishment.

...and he also said that he would receive us where Not that he would ever return here.

Which only indicates that you have no knowledge whatsoever that the Doctrine of "resurrection" is a Doctrine of 'Rebirth'.

Michael Cecil