9th of Av: A Day Cursed by God (falls on July 20, 2010)

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posted on Jul, 15 2010 @ 10:20 PM
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This year, 9 Av falls on July 20.

Is there some omen in the three years of consecutive eclipses on 1 Av?

The 9th of Av has seen some of the most tragic dark days of religious history and persecution. It is considered a time of mourning and the saddest day of the Jewish calendar.

It has been said that the catastrophes that have occurred on that day have been so severe that it is clearly a day especially cursed by God.

When Jews rebelled against the Romans in 133 CE they were defeated in the final battle of Beltar on 9 Av.

One year later, on 9 Av, the Romans plowed over the Temple Mount.

Both Holy Temples were set aflame on 9 Av...five centuries apart.

In 1290 CE the Jews were expelled from England...on 9 Av.

The decree to ban Jews from Spain was signed into law on March 31, 1942. The cut-off date for Jews to leave the country was 9 Av.

WWI began on 9 Av.


What kind of God is this that takes pleasure in destroying and tormenting his creatures?

Is this a day of satanic ritual?

Who really is ruling this world?







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posted on Jul, 15 2010 @ 10:37 PM
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God sees the whole picture, you only see one page, if you're wise maybe a chapter.



posted on Jul, 15 2010 @ 11:04 PM
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What is an "AV"? I really don't know... How does the translation to our calendar works? And when was it created, if known?

Thanks!



posted on Jul, 15 2010 @ 11:11 PM
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Originally posted by Alethea
This year, 9 Av falls on July 20.



In 1290 CE the Jews were expelled from England...on 9 Av.



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LOL... I take it 9 AV is a specific day (like the 9th of January) in the Jewish calendar?

Also, what the hell is CE? Is that the new abbreviation for AD? And if so, why?



posted on Jul, 15 2010 @ 11:24 PM
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The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.


Originally posted by Alethea
Who really is ruling this world?


John 12:30-31 Jesus said, “This voice was for your benefit, not mine. Now is the time for judgment on this world; now the prince of this world will be driven out.

Jesus is certainly not talking about himself or the father in the above quote.

2 Corinthians 4:4 The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.

Both of the above refer to the ruler of this world:

John 8:44 You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

The bible makes the fact that we are living in a world subject to sin, death, and Satan as its ruler, exceptionally clear if you read it. That is why Christians are supposed to be “In” this world, and not “Of” this world.

As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.



posted on Jul, 15 2010 @ 11:41 PM
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Originally posted by Aresh Troxit
What is an "AV"? I really don't know... How does the translation to our calendar works? And when was it created, if known?

Thanks!


Looks like an interesting post here but..... i too would like to know what av and other abbreviations mean ? And how this is calculated , excuse my ignorance .



posted on Jul, 16 2010 @ 12:00 AM
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Originally posted by infolurker


Also, what the hell is CE? Is that the new abbreviation for AD? And if so, why?


CE is an abbreviation often used which denotes "Common Era". You can google it for the specific details and how it applies.



posted on Jul, 16 2010 @ 12:06 AM
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Originally posted by Aresh Troxit
What is an "AV"? I really don't know... How does the translation to our calendar works? And when was it created, if known?

Thanks!


The Jewish calendar is based on lunar cycles. They have a different year as well. Every few years they even have a "leap month". You can find the information and the calendar translation here:

www.jewfaq.org...



posted on Jul, 16 2010 @ 12:08 AM
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maybe that on that day the oil will start leaking again... worse than before probably?



posted on Jul, 16 2010 @ 12:10 AM
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Originally posted by Rocker-Mtl


Looks like an interesting post here but..... i too would like to know what av and other abbreviations mean ? And how this is calculated , excuse my ignorance .


The calendar information link is in the post above. You may also find this history concerning the "Three Weeks of Destruction and Renewal" to be of interest:
www.chabad.org...



posted on Jul, 16 2010 @ 12:10 AM
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Eh, July 20th is my birthday. Nothing bad better go down that day.



posted on Jul, 16 2010 @ 12:11 AM
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July-19th-2010-9th-of-Av





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posted on Jul, 16 2010 @ 12:18 AM
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Originally posted by defcon5

Originally posted by Alethea
Who really is ruling this world?


John 12:30-31 Jesus said, “This voice was for your benefit, not mine. Now is the time for judgment on this world; now the prince of this world will be driven out.

Jesus is certainly not talking about himself or the father in the above quote.


But the prince of this world was not driven out. We are still dealing with evil powers and principalities and it has gotten even more out of hand now.

So many people seem anxious for the "coming destruction" of the world believing it is the Creator's doing. Many believe that everyone who is "not as christian as they are" will be destroyed and they look forward to these dominionist ideals.



posted on Jul, 16 2010 @ 12:22 AM
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Originally posted by Zeta Reticulan


July-19th-2010-9th-of-Av





Interesting. Wonder if anyone has alerted the rabbi he may be a day late?



posted on Jul, 16 2010 @ 12:29 AM
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Originally posted by infolurker
LOL... I take it 9 AV is a specific day (like the 9th of January) in the Jewish calendar?

Also, what the hell is CE? Is that the new abbreviation for AD? And if so, why?

Av is a month in the Jewish calendar, so yes, 9 of Av is the 9th day of the month of Av.

CE means "Common Era" and it is not even remotely a new term. AD stands for Anno Domini which translates to "In the year of our Lord." Since not everyone believes that Jesus is their Lord and Savior, the term Common Era or CE has taken prominence in many areas such as academia. Likewise, BC ("Before Christ") is usually now rendered as BCE or Before the Common Era, as the word "Christ" means Messiah and not all believe Jesus was the Messiah.

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posted on Jul, 16 2010 @ 12:32 AM
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Thanks for the answer! Will look to the links.


About Judgment Day, I can't fail to notice many work hard to evangelize the world so The Day can come, but they fail to notice the Lord also warns those who wish to see that Day come fast, for they wish it upon others, and will be held accountable for it... or close to that. Or am I wrong? LOL

The spreading of the Word was supposed to be done peacefully, not forcibly...



posted on Jul, 16 2010 @ 12:38 AM
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The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.


Originally posted by Alethea
But the prince of this world was not driven out. We are still dealing with evil powers and principalities and it has gotten even more out of hand now.

It depends on your perspective in relation to how you interpret prophecy. In my instance, I follow Historicism, which is the original protestant teaching on prophetic interpretation. According to Historicism, the “End of this world” began shortly after Christ’s time here, with the destruction of the Jerusalem in 70AD, and will continue on until the return of Christ and Final judgment. So what has been going on since 70 AD is Satan’s time has been growing short, so he is causing more and more problems. At the same time, as we get closer to the “End” we are also seeing more natural disasters happening at quicker intervals then we have ever seen before in recorded human history. Satan will not be fully driven out until the Judgment.

As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.



posted on Jul, 16 2010 @ 12:41 AM
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Originally posted by defcon5

Originally posted by Alethea
Who really is ruling this world?


John 12:30-31 Jesus said, “This voice was for your benefit, not mine. Now is the time for judgment on this world; now the prince of this world will be driven out.

Jesus is certainly not talking about himself or the father in the above quote.

2 Corinthians 4:4 The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.

Both of the above refer to the ruler of this world:

John 8:44 You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

The bible makes the fact that we are living in a world subject to sin, death, and Satan as its ruler, exceptionally clear if you read it. That is why Christians are supposed to be “In” this world, and not “Of” this world.


How does one become "of" this world if they are "in" it?


Joh 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
Joh 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
Joh 3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
Joh 3:8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.
Joh 3:9 Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be?
Joh 3:10 Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things?
Joh 3:11 Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness.
Joh 3:12 If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?


To become "of" the world you would have to "consume" the blood. That is to "finish" it.


Gen 9:4 But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat.
Gen 9:5 And surely your blood of your lives will I require; at the hand of every beast will I require it, and at the hand of man; at the hand of every man's brother will I require the life of man.
Gen 9:6 Whoso sheddeth(expend) man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man.


This is where it gets confusing...


Mar 14:23 And he took the cup, and when he had given thanks, he gave it to them: and they all drank of it.
Mar 14:24 And he said unto them, This is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many.
Mar 14:25 Verily I say unto you, I will drink no more of the fruit of the vine, until that day that I drink it new in the kingdom of God.


Many words are double edged. To loose your life is to raise another which is the only way (procreation), the only truth (those things which we know-which many do not believe) and the only life (that which you are witness to)...


Luk 17:33 Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it.


There is an image which perceived to be true which is longed for and sacrificed to, then there is the only begotten which is always "before" the Lord.


Pro 14:12 There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.


And here is truth...

Luk 18:16 But Jesus called them unto him, and said, Suffer little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God.


Ascension is descending by way of the tree of life a.k.a. the family tree.

Tell me, are 2 billion souls, 1/3 of the worlds population taking the "narrow" path through the sheep gate which is so narrow only one can go through at a time or do many have lofty ideas not seeing the only way life has ever come into the world, rather trading that in for the image of a savior.

An adversary (satan) can create nothing, only the Lord creates. He is Pro-creation bringing forth peace and evil.


Isa 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
Isa 45:8 Drop down, ye heavens, from above, and let the skies pour down righteousness: let the earth open, and let them bring forth salvation, and let righteousness spring up together; I the LORD have created it.
Isa 45:9 Woe unto him that striveth with his Maker! Let the potsherd strive with the potsherds of the earth. Shall the clay say to him that fashioneth it, What makest thou? or thy work, He hath no hands?
Isa 45:10 Woe unto him that saith unto his father, What begettest thou? or to the woman, What hast thou brought forth?


Check out these passages....they are saying the same thing.



Gen 2:24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.

Joh 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.


And here Jesus speaks himself of Genesis telling you the truth...


Mar 10:5 And Jesus answered and said unto them, For the hardness of your heart he wrote you this precept.
Mar 10:6 But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female.
Mar 10:7 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife;
Mar 10:8 And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh.
Mar 10:9 What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.


A new creation is literally that, a new life made from two...true marriage...a child...."And a child shall lead them..."

Peace

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posted on Jul, 16 2010 @ 12:58 AM
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The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.

reply to post by letthereaderunderstand
 

Maybe I should clarify what it means to be “in” in the world not “of” the world.
Here, I found this which explains it nicely:


When we read of the "world" in the New Testament, we are reading the Greek word cosmos. Cosmos most often refers to the inhabited earth and the people who live on the earth, which functions apart from God. Satan is the ruler of this "cosmos" (John 12:31; 16:11; 1 John 5:19). By the simple definition that the word world refers to a world system ruled by Satan, we can more readily appreciate Christ's claims that believers are no longer of the world—we are no longer ruled by sin, nor are we bound by the principles of the world. In addition, we are being changed into the image of Christ, causing our interest in the things of the world to become less and less as we mature in Christ.

So Christians are here in this world, but we are to hold ourselves separate from it. In other words, we are not to be “Worldly”.

As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.



posted on Jul, 16 2010 @ 01:02 AM
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9 AV in 2006 was the deadliest day with Hezbolla. That was August 3, 2006. If I am not mistaken shortly after a visit with George Bush and PM Olmert.






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