reply to post by followtheevidence
The semantic part done with now.....
The versions of 'intelligent design' I'm familiar with are based on a regression of the positivistic theory of the Big Bang. ('Continuous creation'
and zero-point physics thus disregarded for now).
In the Big Bang theory there is an 'event horizon', i.e. what's observable in a cosmic context, but it does imply the conclusion, that matter/energy
and space/time are created with the Big Bang. Matter/energy and space/time (as we understand the concepts) being part of the cosmic fabric only.
The only transition from the observed to the non-observed we have is the quantum entaglement hypothesis resulting from the double-slit experiment.
Indicating a trans-cosmic existence-level in a small and specific meaning. But not more.
Scientific considerations don't go further and any claims of them doing so don't come from science itself, but from hijacked 'science'.
At the transition-point from observed to non-observed 'logic' is the only rational tool for a continuation of a reasoning chain, in this case
expressed through 'causality'. But as matter/energy and space/time no longer are reference-points (trans-cosmically), the causality-logic based on
matter/energy and space/time (the one mankind knows) breaks down in a trans-cosmic context.
As in the standard versions of theist vs. 'rational' positions, what's trans-cosmic is anybody's guess. Here including the validity of trans-cosmic
'causality'. The 'intelligent design' concept being reduced to a be another extension of 'agnostic' positions.
Inversely the theist claims from highly structured complexity in cosmos are equally 'agnostic' from a rational perspective. The scientific
starting-point is an ackowledgement of a basic observable structured order (already considered non-regressive on rational tems above). No use in
returning to that, as I NOW am considering how complexity evolves. Take any initial structured conditions with dynamic qualities and let them combine
and recombine into growing complexity. The endresult will be an outcome of those initial conditions, and while our cosmos manifests as it does, other
cosmoses with other initial conditions would also manifest similarly complexity according to THEIR initial conditions.
That our cosmos gives rise to the specific astro-physical result we observe and to (at least) carbon-based biology simply means that that is the
outcome of 'our' initial conditions. With other initial conditions complexity, such as self-organization, is possible, though again (both ways
theist-rational) still another 'agnosticism'.
edit on 17-8-2011 by bogomil because: addition of the word: Hypothesis