Daylight "Dot" UFO's in Sweden, 1997.

reply to post by Maybe...maybe not


I've sent a mail now asking for reports. If he answers I can ask him about why they don't believe them to be birds.

Originally posted by Chadwickus
reply to post by Akezzon

 

I don't see why he concludes they couldn't be birds.

They certainly appear to be birds, you can even see the wings flapping at times.

**Awaits the "These can't be birds, they're moving too fast!!" comments to appear.

Yup, looks like birds to me, maybe migrating?

Second line, just as insightful as the first.

Ok. Got an answer now from Clas Svahn.

Once again I'll try to translate it as good as I can.

I sent a mail through his blog in a form on his site, so I don't have that mail in my inbox, but I basically asked him about this case and and if there are any reports and so on. Questions like: Is the videoclip the only thing you have on this case?

Here is his answer:
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From: Clas Svahn

"Hi Morgan! Oh no, there is alot more. We have made a thorough investigation of this case, visited the location, talked to the man who filmed it lots of times, gave the tape to the Swedish Defense Department for analyze ( they had no explanation ) and checked the radar images from the moment it was sighted. And still we didn't find an explanation.

But, as always when it comes to UFO's, there are certain problems. There are actually similar spots of light on other sequences that the same man recorded the same day. Which could mean that something were in the air that day that caused it all - I don't think there were unknown crafts in such a large scale. (But I could be wrong!)

So what was it??

It's hardly birds. There are birds on other sequences and they don't look like that at all. At one point we thought it might be insects. But that is almost impossible to follow tiny insects, to make it look that good it has to be very close to the camera, and you have to pan and twist the camera very fast. These objects seemed a lot further away and not hard to follow at all.

The reason why this investigation is not on the net is cause our site is pretty lame since a few years back, but we are working on remaking it so will be A LOT better. By then, all of our best cases and cases that still feels corny will be presented in a much better way. Have patience! (That goes for me as well...)

CS"

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Here is the mail in Swedish in case someone want to compare them.


"Hej Morgan!
Nej då, det finns mer. Vi har gjort en ingående undersökning, besökt platsen, pratat med filmaren massor av gånger, lämnat filmen till försvaret för analys (ingen förklaring) och kollat radarbilderna från tillfället. Vi har trots detta inte hittat någon förklaring.

Men, som alltid när det gäller ufo, finns det en del problem. Det finns faktiskt liknande ljuspunkter också på andra filmsekvenser som filmaren tog den dagen. Detta kan tyda på att det befann sig något i luften då som orsakade detta - jag tror inte att det flög omkring okända farkoster i sådan mängd. (Men jag kan ha fel!).

Vad är det då?

Fåglar är det knappast. Det finns fåglar på andra sekvenser och de ser inte alls ut på det sättet. Ett tag tänkte vi att det kunde vara insekter. Men det är nästan omöjligt att följa små insekter, som måste vara nära kameran för att synas så bra, utan att man måste vrida kameran väldigt snabbt. Nu verkar föremålen befinna sig längre bort och var inte svåra att följa.

Att hela vår undersökning inte ligger ute beror på att vi har en rätt kass sajt sedan några år men jobbar på att göra om den och bli MYCKET bättre. Då kommer våra bästa fall och fall som fortfarande känns knepiga att kunna presenteras på ett bra sätt. Tålamod! (Gäller även mig...)

CS"
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I then sent another mail, where I were a little more personal and describe to him a little bit of myself and why I am interested ufology. But also to ask him if it was alright for me to publish whole or parts of his answers.
And he approved.
So the first mail was the whole thing.
This mail I will only take out the part where he answers more about the birds, since the rest was more of a personal point of view and had nothing to do with the discussion here.
But I told him about you guys and that most of you are quite sure we are looking at birds.

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So he answered:

"When it comes to the bird theori, we have a large amount of other videotapes where we know it to be birds. None of them looks like this. We also have to take in consideration all the other bright spots I tolld you earlier that the same man took on the same day. They look nothing like birds"

In Swedish:

"När det gäller fågelhypotesen så har vi en stor mängd andra videofilmer där vi vet att det rör sig om fåglar. Dessa liknar inte dem. Dessutom måste man ta hänsyn till alla de andra ljusa punkterna som jag nämnde på andra filmer mannen tog samma dag. De liknar absolut inte fåglar."

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Well since we don't have access to the other sequences it's kinda hard to make anykind of judgement in my opinion. But he, and all the experts in Sweden seem to be confident that they are not birds.

He also told me that there are a whole lot of paper archived of this case, but he was uncertain if they had scanned them onto any computer yet.
That was a ungoing project at AFU (ARCHIVES FOR UFO RESEARCH).
And was not sure if he could get them to us at the moment.

Anyway, I tried. =)
I will try to continue to have contact with him, and we might get hands on some reports later on.

Further more they fly strange and not in a formation, though they are only two....kinda hard to fly in formation then. But I also check some information up regarding migrating birds and most of the birds in Sweden have moved out by July. The only birds that leave later are staling ( spelling?...is it Starling maybe?)

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Thank you for posting this video. I have a lot of respect for Mr Svahn but I'm thinking these "dots" might just be dandelion seeds flying in the wind. Mr Svahn said the "dots" appeared on more footage shot that same day and this was in August when a lot of dandelion seeds are flying around. The "dots" appear to be far away but they might be fairly close to the camera, with videos like this one can't be sure.

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Oh yeah, I guess it could be. But do they fly around in the end of August?
But that is quite another possibility that it could be dandelions.

But the dandelions we have here in the area I live in are long gone. We get them in early springtime and the seeds fly around in perhaps May here.

So I am not 100% certain it could be dandelions yet. I'll will try find some info about them. ( Cause I might be wrong =P hehe )

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Akezzon.....

Thanks.....it was interesting to see Svahn's answers.

Unfortunately, they don't really add a whole lot of info for us.

Oh well.....

Cheers
Maybe...maybe not

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Well, we didn't get any information that clarified them to be birds or not.
And since we don't have access to the other video clips of the similar "objects" filmed by the same man and the bird sequence he had we can't do much more than either believe there words or our own.

Kinda interesting though that our Defense Department didn't got anykind of explanation either. Anyway, we can only speculate what it is until we get the hands on some more reports and clips. When that will be...I can't say.

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Well props to you for doing some digging and researching on this case, it's more than most do when it comes to UFO cases.

It's hardly birds. There are birds on other sequences and they don't look like that at all.

IMHO this is a rather redundant statement.

Just because they aren't as clearly defined as the other birds that were filmed, doesn't stop them from being birds, it could just mean they were filmed at a higher altitude then the previous birds.

reply to post by Akezzon


Akezzon.....

Kinda interesting though that our Defense Department didn't got anykind of explanation either.

That raises another interesting point.....

I don't think it is mandatory the Defence Dept should necessarily be experts at analysing things such as this.

Beyond working with original or at least earlier generations of the video on some nice equipment, they may not have much more idea (if indeed any) than we have.

Kind regards
Maybe...maybe not

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Yeah, you got a point there. Though I guess they didnt just hand it over to any random employee at the defense department office but to their video analyze experts.

reply to post by Chadwickus


I guess you are right. But in a way this also means that it is impossible to rule out birds. Since there is no way to prove that they are not birds. Personally I will not say: They ARE birds, cause really...there is no way to tell in my opinion. I will not say they are Aliens either. But I will keep the mind open though for both birds and saucers.

From time to time you hear statements like: "People are so gullible, they see alien crafts in any bird". Well doesn't that knife cut both ways? Sometimes it feels like some people see birds in just about anything that is in the skies. I'll mean in general, this is not a jump on you guys.

cheers

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Dandelion flower from May to August if I'm not mistaken, I'm in Sweden too

reply to post by cripmeister


Ok. I am not sure actually so you might be right. However, I haven't seen dandelions in my region for quite some time now. I am in the middle part of Sweden. Värnersborg is not exactly at the same latitude as me, but still pretty close. What concerns me, even though I find the dandelion as one of the better explanations ( among the logical once ) I still find it hard to see how one can manage to follow them, since they need to be pretty close to the camera for us to be able to see them. Hmm...not sure.... I really don't know. It just looks like they are at a lot higher than that.

Aw well, birds...dandelions....or something else. We just don't know, since we lack a lot of information. Hope I can get my hands on some later on.