Israel has one of the most secret military in the world.It still does not official admit the excistance and size of her basic military units.They did give some details in 1996 of the excistance of Mossad up until then there was only speculation of this units existance.Any other info available for Israel special forces is usually not true,They recently acknowledged the excistance of Metsada which is the unit with the eight division which make up Mosad.there resonsible for the Assassinations,Sabotage,psychological warefare and Counterterrorism.Haifa does not exsist in the armed forces but who knows for sure

Originally posted by weirdo
Israel has one of the most secret military in the world.It still does not official admit the excistance and size of her basic military units.They did give some details in 1996 of the excistance of Mossad up until then there was only speculation of this units existance.Any other info available for Israel special forces is usually not true,They recently acknowledged the excistance of Metsada which is the unit with the eight division which make up Mosad.there resonsible for the Assassinations,Sabotage,psychological warefare and Counterterrorism.Haifa does not exsist in the armed forces but who knows for sure

It's not THAT secret. People who live in Israel usually know a lot about its army, since they all have to join it when they turn 18. Though some units are indeed highly classified. And even known SF units such as Shayetet 13 (sort of like Israeli SEALs) has many operations each year, and all of those operations remain unknown to the public (until soldiers die).

Some units, very few, are completely unknown to the public. I don't know much about those units, but I heard there are some units that work with the mossad and the SHABAK (similar to the top secret unit 504). There are also units such as HAMAN Shhakim, many people know about it excistence, but almost no one knows what this unit does.

BTW, did you know that our SF forces where in Iraq during gulf war 1 & 2? I'm not sure about 2, but I do know that we where searching for scuds during the first gulf war, and units like Shaldag maybe were sent to Iraq during gulf war 2 too (probably before the war itself).

My wording not so good l meant that there govt does not release official figures or name it`s military units officially.

Look at that pic you can tell how intense the training is they have to cross little puddles with their toy guns and they are all neat and not one of them is dirty wow hard training


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Originally posted by WestPoint23
Look at that pic you can tell how intense the training is they have to cross little puddles with their toy guns and they are all neat and not one of them is dirty wow hard training


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lol? yeah I bet during the 20 months of their training regime they are just cross little puddles each day, holding toy guns.

BTW, maybe you can show me some pictures of american SF forces or british SAS that shows really hard training.

Westpoint

When was the last time you heard of an Israely aircraft of solider get shoot down.America has the largest and crappiest Special Forces units in the World.You guys are like an Elephants penis try to pregnate a mouse.Too Big,Too Strong And can be seen miles away.

Devilwasp

Since when have Marines been Special Forces.

Britains only listed Special Forces are S.A.S,S.B.S and Para Pathfinders

All SBS members are Marines..
Not saying the converse is true.
But all the SBS boys have to pass Marine selection first.

That still doesn`t qualifiy Marines as Special Forces just makes them Marines

Originally posted by weirdo
That still doesn`t qualifiy Marines as Special Forces just makes them Marines

exscuse me?
the royal marines arnt special forces?
so the fact that thier called comando's is because the MOD just got bored and decided to call them that?
the royal marine comando's are the best trained and best paid infantry men in the world.look it up if u dont believe me.
also thank you browha for pointing out the fact that all SBS are RMC's.
they recently enabled a reg or something that allows anyone to join the SBS.


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Devilwasp

Never said that the Marines wern`t a good unit.Commando`s are not Special Forces anymore than U.S Marines,Itallian Marines,Spainish Marines every country has Marines that dosn`t make them Special Forces. what makes them Special Forces is there operational role and structure, that is outside conventional units tasks.Yes S.B.S are a unit withing the Marines same as Comanchio.But they operation role is differant.

what?wait 1 second here
the rangers are classified as a special forces unit yes/no?
now the royal marines are special forecs and they do both normal and sf jobs. they have a sf unit called the SBS which is the very elite but frankly the marines can handle just about anything on thier own they are and always will be SF forces.

Devilwasp

No Rangers are not classed as Special Forces.Marines are part of the navy and are traced back to days when like today they are based on ships and used to protect the Navy.Rangers have a role that the British army dosn`t.The Marines role is to be used on ampihbious assaults or Helicopter assaults launched from ships.They are used at the front line allong with any other units.Special Forces are used before a conflict and during a conflict deep within enemy territory.Britains Special Forces are listed as The Special Boat Squadron.The Special Air Service.Pathfinders and camanchio units are listed as specialist units within there regiments.

the rangers are classified as SF and has been stated many a time here.
i agree that the RMC does do basic stuff but thier still SF. they have the green beret for crying out loud. they are special forces no matter what way you look at it. its like haveing a SF force on every ship. they are desgined to do basic marine jobs but they do do SF jobs 2 that means they are SF.

Devilwasp

Just cos it`s stated hear dosn`t mean the Rangers are Special Forces.If you contact the Ministry of Defence and ask for the units that are classed as Special Forces they will give you two units SAS & SBS.They are officially recognised.we could argue this point all night but l prefer to use this as a accurate source.The Marines training is hard because the unit is physically challenging not because of any special tasks.

those special forces are the very elite these special forces are the bottom of the special forces ladder.what i mean is that they are specail forces built to do both jobs spec ops and mosstly normal stuff and frankly the MOD is a stupidly run organisation.

There is no special forces ladder.you are or are not.There not graded better than the next.Special Forces were born during the first world war then realised again in the second world war firstly in the desert campaign then in europe.The marines date back to the17th century.The ministry of defence is only criticised by people outside of the organisation who do not understand all that is going on within it and can only operate within the budget it is given by the govt of the day.

The Ministry of Defense still will blatantly and catergorically deny the existance of the SBS and SAS.
As to the Royal Marines, they are Commandos, and at the same time, yes, they are a degree of special forces.