Judge declares US gay-marriage ban is unconstitutional

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Sure

Mathew 19 v 9, may help you to read the whole thing...

Then think about the hypocracy of the so clled church..


EDA He also said that to even look at someone with lust then we have commited adultery with that person in our hearts.... That is just about all of us huh?

Yeshua came to change our hearts to one of love and acceptance... When the heart changes then the body follows... Its then about relationships and not about religion.


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Some good arguments here from both sides of the fence.

Here are my responses to some of the arguments:

1. "Being gay is unnatural" - Homosexuality is prevalent throughout the animal kingdom and has been noted throughout history.

2. "Gay sex is disgusting. Seeing two men together makes my skin crawl" - I don't like it either. I feel the same about the methods of organised religion but I will defend their right to their freedom.

3. "Marriage is only between a man and a woman" - There are two types of marriage. One is between two persons and one is between two persons and between them and the deity of their choice.

4. "homosexuality is immoral and a sin". That is a personal opinion and is not the opinion of virtually all people as would a true moral.

I was particularly impressed at the people that actually seem to know about or practice the true values of their religion chastising the pseudo religious and those who use their religion as a crutch for their bigotry.

I don't approve of the homosexual lifestyle, but I believe in live and let live. Some dude wants to marry another dude, more power to em.

I'm wondering, however, if the polygamists are going to raise a stink, and demand that their marriages to their 8 wives be legally recognized as well

Originally posted by thisguyrighthere
What I want to know now is when will all of the states recognize my concealed carry permit or recognize Vermont's lack of one?

Same difference.

I can be in a same-sex marriage and another state apparently has to recognize that. The other state has to recognize my drivers license too. Why not my pistol permit or if from VT or AK my lawful ability to carry without a permit.

NH has to recognize MA's gay couples so MA should recognize NH's pistol carriers. I'm getting pretty sick of having to pull over just before entering MA to unload and lock my gun and pulling over just past mass to unlock and reload my gun. Ironically my travel through MA is the most dangerous stretch of my travels as far as crime goes.

People are misreading this decision. All it says is that no FEDERAL law can be used as a reason for not recognizing a marriage between a man and a man or a woman and a woman.

Another state does NOT have to recognize gay marriage if there is a specific STATE law prohibiting the acknowledgment of such a union.

In the case of an argument between one state and another wanting the other to recognize a marriage from their state, it is the federal governments job to mitigate such a disagreement, so what this decision effectively does, is say sorry, that's the state's job and we can't interfere.

So, Yes I am glad this came about, "Less Power to the FED"!!!!
Jaden

People here claim to follow science to the "T", yet they blindly turn away when it comes to homosexuality.

"Opposites attract", isn't that a fundamental law? And without having to play "Creator" and mess with science, men cannot have children with men. Neither can women with women. It just doesn't work without doing some serious tampering.

We were made the way we are for a purpose, by God, Aliens or Mother Nature. Men have penises, women have vagina's, it's not exactly rocket science to realize, "Hey! They fit!".

Hate away, at least I'm being honest and telling it how it is. And just an FYI: From a person who doesn't have a player in the game, it really looks lame when someone claims, "Oh, you're just trying to shove your religious beliefs down our throats!" while you all are doing the same thing about forcing others to accept homosexuality.

Originally posted by Yissachar1
Sure
Mathew 19 v 9, may help you to read the whole thing...

Here's what Jesus said, Matt 19:9 "I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, and marries another woman commits adultery."
Traditional church teachings are this.
1. That as if someone divorces his wife or husband for any reason except for marital unfaithfulness is sinning. If there is marital unfaithfulness then the divorce is legal and the person can get married again.
2. If a person dies while married the other person can get married again.

Originally posted by Yissachar1
Then think about the hypocracy of the so clled church..

Christians need to have signs on them called, "Under Construction".

Originally posted by Yissachar1
EDA He also said that to even look at someone with lust then we have commited adultery with that person in our hearts.... That is just about all of us huh?

Yep.

Originally posted by Yissachar1
Yeshua came to change our hearts to one of love and acceptance... When the heart changes then the body follows... Its then about relationships and not about religion.

Yes, He come to change our hearts for love but it depends what type of acceptance your talking about.



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The fact that we are all here shows that homosexuality does not affect the expansion of a population.

Science has demonstrated that it is natural. Maybe you can point me to some science where it is shown to be unnatural and therefor a 'lifestyle choice'.

No one wants to shove homosexuality down your throat. All that is wanted is equality.

Originally posted by boondock-saint
let me ask a question:

what if ...... just what if
everybody in the entire world
immediately turned gay.

How would we procreate as a species ????

man + woman = life

man + man = death

woman + woman = death

why is that so hard to comprehend how we
were supposed to be to sustain ourselves???



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i think if the whole world turned gay:

eventually people would start reverting back to straight, and they would be outcast at first. more and more people would start doing it for whatever psychological reason and they would give it retarded terms like "coming out of the closet". Not long after the numbers would flip flop due to a combination of societies forced acceptance & the straight peoples ability to reproduce faster and more efficiently.

people will be attracted to the ease of being able to impregnate in there own home or public bathroom or wherever it suites them rather than having to go to some government protected and enforced lab where there will be fee's, restrictions, regulations, red tape, records and waiting.

the majority of people would revert back with a handful (the amount we have now?) staying gay.

a barrage of replies will follow this arguing that artificial insemination programs are as efficient as the old fashioned way, but we all know that's foolish.

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There are not many types of love.. True love is if you would give your life for another.. Not sexual in the sightest..

What we have here though is two peope of the same sex who want to commit to each other... They should be allowed to do that... Is our condemntion going to stop that love? I think not... It also serves to reinforce an anti Christian attitude in these people... Take them from God... And that is not from God but our own prejudices... We dishonour God by not honouring those who too are made in His image...

All things come from God huh? All our days written from the beginning in the mtrix of our mothers womb as we are skillfully wrought as the psalms say... So were gays.... They re no different to us in any way... If they were not intended then God would not let them be here... It would be impossible... God made them too... I say them. But they too are humans who God has a plan for, they are our family... Daughters, sons, can you deny them? God ordained them... If He didnt then they wouldnt be here...

The fact is... Homosexuality has always been here from the begining... God couldve stopped ot if He hated it so much, or it was Gods intention... If not then we have God who cannot control His own creation and whose creation stories written from the beginning is bs...

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Oh wow, the "they can't make kids so they shouldn't be able to get married" argument!

I guess hetero couples in which one or both members can not reproduce for a variety of reasons shouldn't be allowed to be married either!

heck yeah! gays should have the same right to be miserable as all of us.

people wake up. were all human.

division is how we're conquered daily.

no other. we're the human.

Originally posted by LightFantastic
Some good arguments here from both sides of the fence.
Here are my responses to some of the arguments:
1. "Being gay is unnatural" - Homosexuality is prevalent throughout the animal kingdom and has been noted throughout history.

Animals also eat other, should we start doing that?

Originally posted by LightFantastic
2. "Gay sex is disgusting. Seeing two men together makes my skin crawl" - I don't like it either. I feel the same about the methods of organised religion but I will defend their right to their freedom.

Why would you support people who do perverted sex.

Originally posted by LightFantastic
3. "Marriage is only between a man and a woman" - There are two types of marriage. One is between two persons and one is between two persons and between them and the deity of their choice.

For thousands and thousands of years, marriage has been between a man and woman.

Originally posted by LightFantastic
4. "homosexuality is immoral and a sin". That is a personal opinion and is not the opinion of virtually all people as would a true moral.

That's a fact according to the Bible.

Originally posted by LightFantastic
I was particularly impressed at the people that actually seem to know about or practice the true values of their religion chastising the pseudo religious and those who use their religion as a crutch for their bigotry.

Is disagreeing bigotry. If so, then why don't you dog out the homosexuals that harass heterosexuals.

Choice. That is all we have as individuals.

A marriage LICENSE. So, what is the definition of LICENSE?

A license is something that is given by an authoritative figure to legitimize or legalize something that without, would be illegal.

Someone VERY intelligent on this thread put it to everyone and EVERYONE keeps ignoring the INTELLIGENCE.

What RIGHT does the state (government), to LICENSE marriage?

Explain that to me. Please.

So marriage is ILLEGAL, without being contractually obligated to follow the rules and subjugation of the state mandates?

Marriage is a union of two individuals before GOD your creator. Be he Jesus or the Purple Spaghetti monster.

Choice, to live your LIFE as you and your own God sees fit, or lack thereof.

Choice, to decide what your life and your children's lives are to entail.

All of you arguing this or that means NOTHING, unless of course you want to control and enslave others to YOUR rules and moral platitudes.

The government and everyone just needs to leave everyone else the FRELL alone.

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If more people were out and lived in same gender relationships, the birthrate might drop, which would be great for this planet. We are drowning in humans and their pollution and overconsumption. However, give the need and wish for many gay couples to procreate by surrogate or via previous marriages, there is no guarantee of this.

Originally posted by LightFantastic
The fact that we are all here shows that homosexuality does not affect the expansion of a population.

The fact that we are all here is that homosexuality didn't take over the earth.

Originally posted by LightFantastic
Science has demonstrated that it is natural. Maybe you can point me to some science where it is shown to be unnatural and therefor a 'lifestyle choice'.

There is no scientific proof for homosexuality being normal. How can it be natural when the man's penis is made for the woman's vagina?


From: www.catholiceducation.org...
The rectum is significantly different from the vagina with regard to suitability for penetration by a penis.
The vagina has natural lubricants and is supported by a network of muscles. It is composed of a mucus membrane with a multi-layer stratified squamous epithelium that allows it to endure friction without damage and to resist the immunological actions caused by semen and sperm. In comparison, the anus is a delicate mechanism of small muscles that comprise an "exit-only" passage. With repeated trauma, friction and stretching, the sphincter loses its tone and its ability to maintain a tight seal. Consequently, anal intercourse leads to leakage of fecal material that can easily become chronic.
The potential for injury is exacerbated by the fact that the intestine has only a single layer of cells separating it from highly vascular tissue, that is, blood. Therefore, any organisms that are introduced into the rectum have a much easier time establishing a foothold for infection than they would in a vagina. The single layer tissue cannot withstand the friction associated with penile penetration, resulting in traumas that expose both participants to blood, organisms in feces, and a mixing of bodily fluids.

Originally posted by LightFantastic
No one wants to shove homosexuality down your throat. All that is wanted is equality.

That's a lie. Why are schools trying to teach that gay marriage is normal?
How about the day of silence in schools?

Originally posted by texastig

Originally posted by Yissachar1
Sure
Mathew 19 v 9, may help you to read the whole thing...

Here's what Jesus said, Matt 19:9 "I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, and marries another woman commits adultery."
Traditional church teachings are this.
1. That as if someone divorces his wife or husband for any reason except for marital unfaithfulness is sinning. If there is marital unfaithfulness then the divorce is legal and the person can get married again.
2. If a person dies while married the other person can get married again.

Please specify which watered down re-transliteration of the Bible you are quoting from. Because obviously the reason your passage sounds so modern is because it was not a literal translation but a translation adapted to modern society.

OH MY GOD, YOU MEAN BIBLES CHANGE PASSAGES TO FIT SOCIAL CONSTRUCTS!? NO WAY!

Originally posted by texastig
There is no scientific proof for homosexuality being normal. How can it be natural when the man's penis is made for the woman's vagina?

It is? 99% of men would tell you different. Masturbation, you know. That's the latest stats on the men that have done this.

This is ridiculous, America is suppost to be about freedom and equal rights for white, black and Mexican.. (Not so much for illegal immigration mexicans, but you get the point) so thats why I cant understand why it changes when two gay men or two les women want to get married.

Originally posted by Yissachar1
There are not many types of love.. True love is if you would give your life for another.. Not sexual in the sightest..
What we have here though is two peope of the same sex who want to commit to each other... They should be allowed to do that... Is our condemntion going to stop that love?I think not.

What does God think about that? All throughout the Bible, Old to New, homosexuality is condemned.

Originally posted by Yissachar1
It also serves to reinforce an anti Christian attitude in these people... Take them from God... And that is not from God but our own prejudices... We dishonour God by not honouring those who too are made in His image...

Homosexuality is anti Christian. They take themselves away from God. We love the sinner but not the sin.

Originally posted by Yissachar1
All things come from God huh? All our days written from the beginning in the mtrix of our mothers womb as we are skillfully wrought as the psalms say... So were gays.... They re no different to us in any way... If they were not intended then God would not let them be here... It would be impossible... God made them too... I say them. But they too are humans who God has a plan for, they are our family... Daughters, sons, can you deny them? God ordained them... If He didnt then they wouldnt be here...

God doesn't make people gay. Does God make people liars and thieves?
NO.
The devil has tricked people by using their emotions and thoughts into making them think they are gay.

Originally posted by Yissachar1
The fact is... Homosexuality has always been here from the begining... God couldve stopped ot if He hated it so much, or it was Gods intention... If not then we have God who cannot control His own creation and whose creation stories written from the beginning is bs...

Jesus said in Mark 10:6 that man and woman have been together since the beginning not homosexuality.
Then sin came into the world and God doesn't force His will on people.

Originally posted by intrepid
It is? 99% of men would tell you different. Masturbation, you know. That's the latest stats on the men that have done this.

Sure isn't made for the hand.