OK I'll bite..... sigh~ though I'm pretty sure this thread is taking the mickey my friend
Western Civilisation as in the Roman Empire declined with the attacks on Rome from the North and disease, the empire however was Hellenised and
flourished in this period in Byzantium. There is more than enough evidence from icons to buildings to writings and mosaics that this period and empire
were far reaching and documented fact.
Additionally Centres of learning were based more in the Arab world, had it not been for the Arabs, we likely would have lost many of the writings of
Classical philosophers, they held the old libraries, and did not destroy the information as 'heresy'. They also made great contributions to math and
science at this time, whilst Western Europe flayed around in pits and fields and chanted latin and breathed in incense. The tombs, writings, art,
music etc, all over the place are all made up? and dated incorrectly? HUndreds of cemeteries have fake chiselled date of birth and death on
As for Charlamagne, we have Dinars and other coins from this period, an expensive way to hoax a time period.....
We have royal decrees and his insignia
Gospels attributed to his patronage and reform,
Images of his coronation dating to his time period.
Basing "history" on a select group of people, ie western Europe is discounting the plethora of information for all other histories from other
cultures from around the world. There are a multitude of manuscripts with a level of detail that would denounce the notion he and his era and the rest
of the middle ages are made up, example the Chanson de geste includes his campaigns and his aid to the Pope. His entire reign he was engaged in
battles, and they are all pretty much documented. The monk Bobio at the time of his death penned a mourning song for him which is known to this day,
there is also a treasury in Aachen at his tomb...I could go on for hours...but yes safe to say he existed....Though his presence has been greatly
embellished over time to make him a romantic founding father renaissance type man.
Charlemagne actually formed a western Europe identity moving from a Roman identity, and he challenged almost the Emperor in Constantinople.
The middle ages existed, economy and church made it a tough time to live in for the west and a tough time to record information that was not royal or
religion, Humanism showed up in the Renaissance. But thats not to say it was not recorded elsewhere.
There was this 'humanist and scientific' learning in other parts other than the west. Byzantium, and the Saracens etc really didn't care about who
Robin Hood was
They were of a high culture...not Serfdom controlled by the church in Rome.
[edit on 7-7-2010 by zazzafrazz]