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Originally posted by alicepip
Originally posted by The Endtime Warrior
Originally posted by alicepip
reply to post by orionthehunter
But doesn't that still contradict the notion that god is all knowing? If he really was he would know the 'possible outcome' that you would choose. If he doesn't know that, he isn't omniscient.
you will always have contradictions when you are describing god with human logic. there is just no way around it. just like the whole can he create a rock that he can't move, and so forth. perhaps there is some other way.....
That's the easy way out. If the bible is god's word why wouldn't he write it in a way that makes sense and is logical to humans, the ones he wants to worship him. The bible is filled with inconsistencies, and that is a major reason that many former Christians have become atheists or agnostics.
[edit on 4-7-2010 by alicepip]
Originally posted by alicepip
Originally posted by The Endtime Warrior
Originally posted by alicepip
reply to post by orionthehunter
But doesn't that still contradict the notion that god is all knowing? If he really was he would know the 'possible outcome' that you would choose. If he doesn't know that, he isn't omniscient.
you will always have contradictions when you are describing god with human logic. there is just no way around it. just like the whole can he create a rock that he can't move, and so forth. perhaps there is some other way.....
That's the easy way out. If the bible is god's word why wouldn't he write it in a way that makes sense and is logical to humans, the ones he wants to worship him. The bible is filled with inconsistencies, and that is a major reason that many former Christians have become atheists or agnostics.
[edit on 4-7-2010 by alicepip]
Originally posted by Maddogkull
reply to post by adjensen
See, you believe a book written by man, and changed my empires. You do not know the original message. Eon changed to eternity. Wasn’t hell a fire pit behind Jerusalem or something? We do not know the original message. So to preach such ignorance like you actually know the truth of life is flat out stupid. I am not talking about you by the way, just the majority of people who think they know everything.
Originally posted by Maddogkull
reply to post by rangersdad
What about all the other messiahs, why just Jesus; why stop there? Why would god put a non believer in hell who is the nicest person ever, beside murderers and rapists? Common I am not even omni potent and I know that is just plain out stupid
Originally posted by Maddogkull
reply to post by adjensen
What are you talking about? You do not have to believe in religion to be spiritual.. This person was in the Peace Corps, (Canadian equivalent) VOS. He helped TONS of people. And you are telling me he is going to go to hell? I think in today’s day in age more people would like to go to hell. Beer, strippers, and tons of fun What does heaven got a bunch on men playing chess?
Originally posted by adjensen
Originally posted by Maddogkull
reply to post by adjensen
See, you believe a book written by man, and changed my empires. You do not know the original message. Eon changed to eternity. Wasn’t hell a fire pit behind Jerusalem or something? We do not know the original message. So to preach such ignorance like you actually know the truth of life is flat out stupid. I am not talking about you by the way, just the majority of people who think they know everything.
Spirituality is a three tiered thing -- faith, religion and theology. If you try to build your spirituality without all three, you will flail about. Faith without religion and theology is just making things up.
Christian faith is based on the Bible, predominantly the New Testament. One could, in fact, get along pretty well with merely the Gospel of John. Accept Christ's sacrifice for you, love God and treat everyone around you as well as you'd like to be treated.
If you don't believe in that basic premise, then you're not a Christian, and none of this applies to you. But God's plan, as spelled out by Christian faith, religion and theology is not a buffet plan that allows salvation by your own good works.
Originally posted by Maddogkull
reply to post by adjensen
I KNOW SPIRITUAL PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT BOUND BY RELIGION.
But let me guess NDEs are the devils work, because nothing that fits into the Christian world views must not be correct?