Why does God allow the existance of people who go to hell?, page 1


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reply posted on 4-7-2010 @ 01:28 PM by thecrow001
reply to post by orionthehunter



you said everything i would of said

however i'm not the biggest believer in the normal GOD, but i do believe in a higher being or something i cant imagine.

but if he was true i guess he would do the reasons are everyone is born equally good and bad, but its what you do which defines you as that.


reply posted on 4-7-2010 @ 01:29 PM by Myendica
it is a choice.
freewill.
God, or your
subconscious, doesn't know you are going to be bad. It is your choice.
So perhaps hell is your realization that what you have done, was over all not good.
Self-esteem is worse than what others say about you.

we all know what we truely deserve.


reply posted on 4-7-2010 @ 01:40 PM by rangersdad
reply to post by monkeySEEmonkeyDO



God created Hell for Satan and his followers. Man, by his own free will is the only creature that God has made who makes the decision to go to Hell.
Do you think that God rejoices when one of us would rather be in hell than in Heaven?


reply posted on 4-7-2010 @ 01:43 PM by Maddogkull
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Yes he does. If a man lives his whole life being good and helping people, and i he does not believe in a guy 2000 years ago, he goes to hell? God is a kid with an ant farm. We are a game; nothing else (that is only if the god of the bible exists)


reply posted on 4-7-2010 @ 01:52 PM by alicepip
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But doesn't that still contradict the notion that god is all knowing? If he really was he would know the 'possible outcome' that you would choose. If he doesn't know that, he isn't omniscient.


reply posted on 4-7-2010 @ 01:53 PM by adjensen
Originally posted by Maddogkull
Who knows the god of the bible might be real, but not exactly how they portray him in the bible. Remember the bible was written by man. Men make A LOT of mistakes. A god would not send a good person to hell because he did not believe in a guy who existed 2000 years ago.


From a theological perspective, yes he would. God gave Abraham his covenant, his personal connection and promise, and that covenant followed to Abraham's descendants, the Jews. If you are Jewish, and you follow Jewish law, including making proscribed sacrifices, you continue to have the blessing of God's covenant.

For the rest of us (which is everyone, I suppose... after the destruction of the Temple, I'm not sure anyone can continue to accurately make Torah based sacrifices) our connection to God and his covenant is through Christ. When we accept Christ and his sacrifice for us, we are accepting God's covenant. If we don't accept him, we have no connection and no promise from God.

Remember, Christ's first commandment is to love God with all your heart. If you don't, theology says that you're out of luck, because no one is saved by their own works ("being good") but through the blessing of God's covenant.

On the other hand, if the Catholics are right, if you're not super evil (or super good,) you'll get a chance to change your tune in purgatory, so those "good" people who didn't know about Christ, or followed some other path, will have an opportunity to accept God's blessing once they're a bit clearer about it. Though I suspect that if you knew about Christ, but flatly rejected his salvation, you might be out of luck.



reply posted on 4-7-2010 @ 01:56 PM by The Endtime Warrior
Originally posted by alicepip
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post by orionthehunter



But doesn't that still contradict the notion that god is all knowing? If he really was he would know the 'possible outcome' that you would choose. If he doesn't know that, he isn't omniscient.



you will always have contradictions when you are describing god with human logic. there is just no way around it. just like the whole can he create a rock that he can't move, and so forth. perhaps there is some other way.....


reply posted on 4-7-2010 @ 01:57 PM by adjensen
Originally posted by alicepip
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post by orionthehunter



But doesn't that still contradict the notion that god is all knowing? If he really was he would know the 'possible outcome' that you would choose. If he doesn't know that, he isn't omniscient.


Free will does not contradict omniscience. God knows what path you will take because he transcends time, so, from his perspective, he already knows what you'll do next week, because it's already happened. But, for you, the decision that you'll make that will result in whatever he's seen is still in the future, and you will make it, freely, regardless of whether God knows it or not.


reply posted on 4-7-2010 @ 02:03 PM by alicepip
Originally posted by The Endtime Warrior
Originally posted by alicepip
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post by orionthehunter



But doesn't that still contradict the notion that god is all knowing? If he really was he would know the 'possible outcome' that you would choose. If he doesn't know that, he isn't omniscient.



you will always have contradictions when you are describing god with human logic. there is just no way around it. just like the whole can he create a rock that he can't move, and so forth. perhaps there is some other way.....


That's the easy way out. If the bible is god's word why wouldn't he write it in a way that makes sense and is logical to humans, the ones he wants to worship him. The bible is filled with inconsistencies, and that is a major reason that many former Christians have become atheists or agnostics.

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reply posted on 4-7-2010 @ 02:05 PM by orionthehunter
Originally posted by alicepip
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But doesn't that still contradict the notion that god is all knowing? If he really was he would know the 'possible outcome' that you would choose. If he doesn't know that, he isn't omniscient.


That's a very good question. I had a dream relating to this and in my dream God was bored with knowing all possible outcomes forever and ever. He gave us free will to give a variable to reality. In my dream God did not know which path we would travel with 100% certainty. God knew the outcome of whatever choice we would make and knew the probability of us making a choice. However that contradicts God knowing everything or does it? God could see and know all realities. Therefore perhaps God sees multiple realities and that does mean God knows all. The reality we see and experience would be up to us based on our decisions.


reply posted on 4-7-2010 @ 02:05 PM by Maddogkull
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See, you believe a book written by man, and changed my empires. You do not know the original message. Eon changed to eternity. Wasn’t hell a fire pit behind Jerusalem or something? We do not know the original message. So to preach such ignorance like you actually know the truth of life is flat out stupid. I am not talking about you by the way, just the majority of people who think they know everything.
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