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When the Catholic Church and the Protestant organizations accept freemasonry without protesting the way of recognizing the diety, then you can state that there is no Christian bias. You can state that not all Christians object, but there is a bias out there.
Originally posted by AlexKennedy
The reason you're being labelled a troll is because you are bringing up an argument which is de facto settled.
That is to say, the people who believe it's unChristian to refer to God as "The Great Architect of the Universe" have their belief, and the people who don't believe that have their belief. As long as neither group tries to enforce their belief on anyone else, I don't see what there is to argue. I don't, no, only my deeply held belief that they are wrong. So what is there to discuss?
See, the problem, IK, is that you're confusing fractiousness about faith with actual reasoned arguement. Now, if you presented an arguable thesis such as "I do not believe that Christians should be allowed to be Freemasons," then we'd have something to discuss. Instead, you're writing "Well, here's the opinion some Christian groups have about Freemasonry. How do you feel about that?" Well, I feel it's a foolish belief and that it's wrong. What else is there to say?
[edit on 18-6-2004 by AlexKennedy]
Originally posted by AlexKennedy
Well, I feel it's a foolish belief and that it's wrong. What else is there to say?
Originally posted by InterceptorKnight
My original statement refers to this prayer invoked to the Supreme Architect of the Universe. I bring this up in order to promote discussion as a response to the Christian bias that this prayer is somehow not proper because of the inferrence of this god being ambiguous.
Originally posted by InterceptorKnight
I was looking for more of an answer than............
Originally posted by AlexKennedy
Well, I feel it's a foolish belief and that it's wrong. What else is there to say?
Originally posted by theron dunn
It seesm to me that when you post something, you usually either believe it, or are posting to refute it. But to offer up a lame argument that has been endlessly refuted, and then to "back away quickly" when the argument is (again) refuted makes you look like a troll. You may be, you may not be, but the essence of trollism (trollanity?) is to toss out words intended to incite, rather than to engender or promote rational discourse.
Some may see this as trolling. Perhaps that was not your intent. As for hitting a soft spot, that comment in itself serves to make you look further the troll.
Originally posted by theron dunn
So, when corned on these arguments, you post that, well, I really don't believe those argument but I tossed them out to stir discussion. To what end? To poke the mason witha sharp stick and see how he reacts? I hope you are happy with the reaction... it has been considerate, straightforward and honorable.
Originally posted by AlexKennedy
Nor do I believe the patently absurd idea that using the title "The Great Architect of the Universe" is somehow wrong, whereas using the title "God" is right.