The "Up to the Minute" BP Livefeed Discussion Thread

I think the lights were other rovs....they just aren't showing us the feeds from them...and I have no idea what that rope was, but the rov seemed interested in it! I hope a geologist sees this and can explain....

Here is a pic of the huge piece of equipment that was getting thrown all over the place and the rov was tring to grab it
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After the rov caught that thing, it drug it down to the floor, and that is when it got caught in some kind of explosion....that is the rov arm in the pic


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and then there was another smaller explosion

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Originally posted by DEEZNUTZ
reply to post by justadood

 

Are you sure? That one in the pic looks like it's brand new. It may be similar to the one that they pulled from DH but I don't think that one in the picture is the one from the DH. Looks to new the other one was all rusty and beat up. You could tell that from the feeds.

like i said, i'm pretty sure its the one BEFORE they put it in the water.

Edited to add: KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK, KAT!

THANKS!!

Originally posted by kno22
reply to post by Nogard2012

 

I'm not sure what you are telling us here? The damaged BOP was brought up, taken into custody by the FBI waiting on the ship, & taken to NASA according to the published, & known, report. I questioned the reason for using NASA immediately. It's all a few pages back in this thread. The reason given is NASA has the space to store & investigate the damage & does have a facility in Louisiana.

I'm not at all convinced that is the only reason for using NASA, but have no way to investigate the possibility other reasons. I do know this. The BOP is out of sight. No pesky reporters or concerned citizens looking over a shoulder. Only people bound by confidentially clauses in their contracts have access.

At the risk of sounding paranoid, at this point, I don't trust any of them.

While all your concerns are sound, it seems noteworthy to mention that this is a piece of evidence in a crime scene. So it makes sense to me the government has to lock it down and make sure random reporters and whatnot cant go sniffing around it. That's how evidence works. You do not pass a murder weapon around the press room while the investigation is still under way.

I'm not sure it is 'suspicious' of them to do it. But it is worth keeping your eye on it and making sure they dont do anything suspicious with it.

IF the Government is to successfully show either BP, transocean, or Halliburton were at fault (or some combination of the three), they need this crucial bit of evidence to prove possible misconduct.

Originally posted by kno22
reply to post by StealthyKat

 

Early on we saw what appeared to be fuel exploding resulting in fire under water. That doesn't explain this. I don't think tectonic plate movement explains this.

Wait. What? Sorry for my foolsih question, but how does a fire start under water?

Here is a video that will show how a fire can start and burn underwater. I can't say this is what you have seen, but it shows that a fire can and will burn underwater.

reply to post by tsurfer2000h


Thanks! Interesting.

Are the conditions at the sea floor of the Gulf conducive to that sort of needed chemical interaction?

Another video showing the explosions I have seen


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Another video showing a very violent explosion near the well (from June) It's older, but it shows the same type of thing that is still happening. It starts out with oil blobs coming out of the floor....but keep your eyes on the center, and you will see some type of smoke or gas starting to seep out of a crack.....and then the explosions begin. In the ones I have seen live, that is almost always how they start.....with something seeping out of the floor...then...BOOM! To me, this looks like a methane explosion.
www.youtube.com...

reply to post by justadood

Not long after BP was forced to make the feeds available there were several occasions when we would see the fuel explode into, what would be on the surface, a fireball. That's when I jumped into this thread & found all of you wonderful historians watching this nightmare unfold.

The question of fire UNDER water is a valid question I was asking myself. Additional questions are, how does fire exist under such overwhelming pressure, with limited oxygen? I don't know if I can find that footage now Dood, but I will look. I know some were shown here in ATS. The fires, in the form of explosions, didn't last long, burning up the little O2 available at such a depth. It was so totally un-natural I have to put it up there with some of the most remarkable, unexplainable, things I've ever seen. Others, I'm sure, can explain it, but I can not.

reply to post by StealthyKat


After my initial fight or flight impluse wore off after seeing that footage, I thought of a couple of things that might contribute to, but not fully explain, what is going on. Years ago a scientist offered the theory of methane bubbles from the sea floor that could take out ships & possibly aircraft. I hate this word but it does explain it, as a sea fart. It was suggested it might account for the disappearance around the Burmuda Triangle. The theory stood up in the models.

Richard Hoagland, ( website www.enterprisemission.com ) has said from the beginning, huge methane bubbles were building up in the Gulf. The concerns are should one make it to the surface & somehow ignite the result would be catastrophic.

I couldn't tell from the video if we were seeing the same, more or less exact, location or not. If it is the odds of that happening over & over again aren't likely. If that's the case this theory goes right out the window.

What you have shown us is terrifying. We know volcanos exist in the sea. Several land masses exist because of under water volcanos, excluding the Hawaiian islands. It takes a long time to 'grow' a land mass. My concern here is it may be a Caldera, a super volcano, such as that in Wyoming. If it is that there should be other indicators in the water, like sulpher. If BP clipped the edge of a sleeping Caldera it could go a couple of ways. Reseal itself & go back to sleep...or not.

I'm still thinking it wouldn't hurt to have a bag packed.

Originally posted by kno22
reply to post by StealthyKat

 

After my initial fight or flight impluse wore off after seeing that footage, I thought of a couple of things that might contribute to, but not fully explain, what is going on. Years ago a scientist offered the theory of methane bubbles from the sea floor that could take out ships & possibly aircraft. I hate this word but it does explain it, as a sea fart. It was suggested it might account for the disappearance around the Burmuda Triangle. The theory stood up in the models.

Richard Hoagland, ( website www.enterprisemission.com ) has said from the beginning, huge methane bubbles were building up in the Gulf. The concerns are should one make it to the surface & somehow ignite the result would be catastrophic.

I couldn't tell from the video if we were seeing the same, more or less exact, location or not. If it is the odds of that happening over & over again aren't likely. If that's the case this theory goes right out the window.

What you have shown us is terrifying. We know volcanos exist in the sea. Several land masses exist because of under water volcanos, excluding the Hawaiian islands. It takes a long time to 'grow' a land mass. My concern here is it may be a Caldera, a super volcano, such as that in Wyoming. If it is that there should be other indicators in the water, like sulpher. If BP clipped the edge of a sleeping Caldera it could go a couple of ways. Reseal itself & go back to sleep...or not.

I'm still thinking it wouldn't hurt to have a bag packed.

I thought about methane too....and I think some of them are (the ones that look "glittery" and are most clear and white.....but the others....the ones with the red orange yellow (the fiery looking ones) I believe are volcanic or BP is purposely blowing things up (which I doubt.) However, since they happen so frequently, they can't all be methane, like you said. They happen several times aweek, and sometimes several times a day...But you pretty much have to constantly watch to catch one. I wish someone could explain this....Thankyou for your interest, because hardly anyone even knows about this or talks about it. The news media has never even brought it up! I know they had to have seen it too! This, to me, is more worrisome than the oil! These are powerful explosions, and someone needs to explain what is going on!

Still seeing leaks today at 11:36 central time

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This is a shot I took of what I think is methane. It was during a blow up from the sea floor and this is as it was calming down. See how different it looks? The whole blow up was white with hydrates flying all over which gave it a "sparkly" effect


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Took this 5 minutes ago at 11:49.....that's a LOT of hydrates for a dead well!



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looking at that cam now, why isn't that white stuff moving? or is it, albeit slowly, or is it frozen... it's way too early for me to be up, I am not awake

BP IS LYING ALL THE WAY
THIS THREAD SHOUJLD BE CLOSED
CU7ZZ WE ALL GET IT

reply to post by StealthyKat


What ever it is it isn't effecting those of you in the Gulf area alone. I would guess the western hemisphere, at least from Canada to well past Mexico, could become ground zero. As it is we are all, possibly, dealing with toxins in the air, water, & likely our food. Massive fish kills are showing up from the Gulf, north & to the eastern sea board. Are they all because of BP? I don't know. I do know it's a heck of a coincidence & I don't believe in coincidence.

Most of us believed BP was trying to dodge the whole crude-soaking-the-Gulf issue. That, I'm sure is part of it, but I don't think it explains all of it. Early on it seemed to me BP was more concerned with reclaiming the oil then in preservation of the way of life in the Gulf & with getting out of there asap. They sure weren't offering information.

Like you, I've believed all along they tapped into something down there that was scaring the hell out of them. I'm thinking there is potential of even greater liability, which, as far as I can tell, is the only thing that does strike fear in ther hearts.

In a sort of off handed way the idea of a volcanic activity has almost brushed off as the stuff of conspiracy. Even though under the sea volcanos are a common fact. No one is imagining that. Someone help me here, I get land masses confused. Isn't Greenland sitting on top of a volcano that provides them with a great deal of their energy? They don't have icy streets or sidewalks or utility companies that heat their homes.

Have you felt the ground tremble in a way that isn't common? That maybe a subject for a whole different thread, but under the circumstances it's a reasonable question to ask.