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Mexican Gangs Maintain Permanent Lookout Bases in Hills of Arizona

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posted on Jun, 22 2010 @ 01:15 PM
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Weak excuse.

Obviously they are putting police safety ahead of public safety. I say make the SWAT teams do their job, and make the politicians do theirs in supporting them.

But face it: they are simply too scared to confront anyone on anything like equal terms. Cops need to outnumber their victims at least five to one before they feel brave enough to do anything, and then only if the victim is unarmed.




posted on Jun, 22 2010 @ 01:21 PM
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Exactly! i would prefer the use of SWAT and/or US troops in taking down these outposts. But as we see, the administration refuses to help or even do anything about it. Nothing good will come out of this. It looks like the government doesnt WANT to do anything about it.



posted on Jun, 22 2010 @ 01:29 PM
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Okay , read the link . I found it to be totally preposterous and disgusting .

This Judge Robinson needs to be dis-barred for circumventing the constitution and laws of this nation .

Appalling , I see that the JUSTICE DEPARTMENT was also behind this , which doesn't really surprise me , as they have been sleeping with the ACLU for quite some time .

These actions are CRIMINAL and should be dealt with accordingly .

The whole thing smacks of ACLU influence and Affirmative Action .

Disgusting is the best word , short of profanity .



posted on Jun, 22 2010 @ 01:41 PM
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" That is a local failure, not a federal one. "


I must disagree with you on the above statement .

Local authorities are reduced to scratching their heads in bewilderment when they detain a truck-full of illegals here in the Tulsa area , contact INS , and are told to TURN THEM LOOSE if no other local criminal charges are to be levied against them .

So yes , IT IS a FEDERALLY SANCTIONED problem .



posted on Jun, 22 2010 @ 02:10 PM
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Originally posted by okbmd
Local authorities are reduced to scratching their heads in bewilderment when they detain a truck-full of illegals here in the Tulsa area , contact INS , and are told to TURN THEM LOOSE if no other local criminal charges are to be levied against them .

So yes , IT IS a FEDERALLY SANCTIONED problem .


Very well said!

As long as LEA don't have Fed-sponsored tools to deal with such truck loads, I say the Fed is responsible.



posted on Jun, 22 2010 @ 02:20 PM
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Originally posted by apacheman
So where are all those SWAT teams Homeland Security funded?

they are storming houses of real American Citizens
to bust a marijuana user and shoot his dog
and scare the [snip] out of his family in
the middle of the night !!!!

real [snip] brilliant !!!!!



posted on Jun, 22 2010 @ 04:23 PM
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Originally posted by GenRadek

This is disgusting folks. Just disgusting.



Your ignorance is really disgusting.
0=B


[edit on 22-6-2010 by RRokkyy]



posted on Jun, 22 2010 @ 04:25 PM
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Originally posted by GenRadek

Mexican Gangs Maintain Permanent Lookout Bases in Hills of Arizona


www.foxnews.com

Mexican drug cartels have set up shop on American soil, maintaining lookout bases in strategic locations in the hills of southern Arizona from which their scouts can monitor every move made by law enforcement officials, federal agents tell Fox News.
The scouts are supplied by drivers who bring them food, water, batteries for radios -- all the items they need to stay in the wilderness for a long time.
In these areas, which are south and west of Tucson, sources said there are “cartel scouts galore” watching the movements of federal, state and local law enforcement, from the border all the
(visit the link for the full news article)


Related News Links:
www.newson6.com
www.washingtonexaminer.com


Sounds like it's time to send out the US Sniper units

This incursion on American soil should be dealt with quickly, harshly and permanently. We need to send our best after these scumbags to make an example of them.



posted on Jun, 22 2010 @ 04:27 PM
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How long before these drug cartels get fed up with any type enforcement - and make a deal with some part of radical Islam?

You know, those oil rich "hate the West" Islamic Imams that can offer any $$amount$$ for the losses the cartels will incur not being able to smuggle drugs or people in to the USA!

And why would the Islamic radicals pay these drug cartels - how about Intel and finding holes to get a nuke or VX nerve gas inside our borders for the intent of killing hundreds of thousands!

YEAH - just go ahead and keep turning your heads for the ACLU - for the Corporate kick backs and the "extra Hispanic votes"!

One day the entire nation will be pointing their finger at you for being personally responsible - and it will not be a the index finger!

These people with their political heads in the ground have no idea what they are allowing to happen over time, it is a vulnerability that must be stopped - immediately!



posted on Jun, 22 2010 @ 04:27 PM
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SWAT teams shouldn't be detaining truckloads of illegal workers, they should be out in the hills taking down illegally occupied lookout stations run by drug cartels. Huge difference. Different kind of cop.

I ask again...what are the SWAT teams for, if not for this?



posted on Jun, 22 2010 @ 04:27 PM
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Unique subject to say the least! I really can't believe that this is just an issue that we read about on a website.

Shouldn't people be outraged?

Shouldn't the Federal Government that is charged with "National Security" seize control of our border and maintain our "National Sovereignty"?

These are the keywords used to justify wars, but we can't maintain control of our own backyards! It is stories like this that convince me that we need to worry about ourselves at home and not to bother with the problems of other nations.

I have no problem sharing this country with Mexican immigrants or anyone else that comes to America, but to have drug cartels take over portions of our own land shows we have our eye off the ball. What can be done?



posted on Jun, 22 2010 @ 04:33 PM
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Newbie to posting. I've been reading and investigating for years though.

I, like many of you here, have come to the conclusion that our governments, from the Feds to the local zoning board, do not care one bit about the average citizen.

This topic is a perfect example.

Don't you think that if any administration (R or D) really wanted to reform immigration, it would be done. If can print money out of thin air for space travel, for stimulus and for irrational wars, then we could certainly build the Great Wall of the Rio Grande and stop illegal Mexican immigration cold.



posted on Jun, 22 2010 @ 04:39 PM
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Hopefully you can see the very obvious solutions to this gang problem. They are obvious problems because they have happened before. We all know the Al Capone Chicago mob problem vanished when drug prohibition ended. The problem turned out not to be excessive immigration from Italy, but rather drug prohibition. And hopefully people can learn from history and realize that we don't have an illegal immigration problem any more than during the days of Al-Capone, but rather a prohibition problem and a welfare problem where free state benefits lure in people who would otherwise not be here!



posted on Jun, 22 2010 @ 04:40 PM
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The use of Deadly Force along the whole border of Mexico is an issue, as it breaks a law.. Not sure what one but I know it is [Someone refresh me?]. Boarder Control Officers are constantly being scrutinized for the discharge of their firearms even when being attacked by the various Mexican Cartel Drug Smugglers: Mules:. If the Boarder Patrol guy's don't have the right to defend themselves then this is why we will end up with NO BOARDER. It could be ran by the Cartel's, and the only means of vanquishment comes down to the use of Deadly Force by the United States Government. Then a fall out of blame about the US killing Mexican civilians. There could be Civil war or just a plain out right Boarder War. What we don't need is the US Civilians playing super man and taking measures into their own hands by killing sleeping cartel outlooks on top of those mountains.



posted on Jun, 22 2010 @ 04:43 PM
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This sounds like it could be true, but is there any confirmation on this story? and Fox news is not Confirmation..

Do you know how much money is made of drugs?? and lots of it goes to bribes.. I wouldn't doubt that the Border patrol are the ones trucking it in and the only way ones that get caught are the ones helping..



posted on Jun, 22 2010 @ 04:44 PM
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God you guys are so easy to manipulate. Can't you guys at least try to look at a situation and attempt to asses the circumstances and think clearly on a solution? Can you do that? Is it possible?

Let think about this clearly shall we....

1.) Your government just recently publicly announced that it was in no way going to protect a big piece of land at the US border because of some environmental BS.

2.) Of course the cartels are going to place dibs on this land.

3.) the Cartels are a Mexican based operation who's intent is crossing drugs into the US and not killing police or local people or anything that would endanger their primary purpose of crossing drugs into the US.

4.) The USA Government is blackmailing the people Of Arizona by doing nothing and totally abandoning it's people while at the same time getting it's two foot patsy Mexican puppet to chirp his discontent about the Arizona bill.

5.) you folks are being played like a fiddle on a bluegrass special.

Why would the Cartels harm or indanger their operations by threatening your police or killing your people?

Why are you Americans so willing to open a box that will accomplish nothing but more violence against your people?

Would not the best solution be to not fall into the trap? What about just staying out of this? Is that not the best solution?



posted on Jun, 22 2010 @ 04:50 PM
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The Drug trade is a very VERY lucrative business. Why would the government want to shut a border down that they make allot of money off of. Drug trade is serious business.



posted on Jun, 22 2010 @ 04:50 PM
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I can't tell if your post is serious or facetious. A SWAT team is not an army. A SWAT team is a group of highly trained police officers brought together to combat specific events like riots or hostage taking...not go into the desert for six months and route out illegal alien drug dealer dens.

Obviously you have some sort of beef with them.

Quit giving Obama and the Federal Gov't a pass. We have been invaded and our Federal Gov't has done nothing about it.



posted on Jun, 22 2010 @ 04:50 PM
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Originally posted by apacheman
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What does Obama have to do with the failure to use the SWAT teams (funded at taxpayer expense) for what they are expressly designed to be used for?

That is a local failure, not a federal one. If the will to confront the illegals and drug cartels actually existed in Arizona, the SWAT teams would be targeting and arresting the lookouts until none existed.

I fail to see how a SWAT team can be outgunned or outmanned. SWAT teams have the latest firepower, armor, technology, and specialized gear..at least they better have, or all the billions we spent were misappropriated and wasted. If that's the case, then Homeland "Security" needs to be abolished and all those SWAT teams disbanded.


THANK YOU.

All the talk about "states rights" ends when it really matters. When stuff gets real, the states go whining to daddy to make the bad people go away.

Didn't Arizona just pass a law that would make it easier to deal with illegal immigration? How about they man up and show us how effective they are? Go up those hills and check their papers, Joe Arpaio!


And what about that group we recently read about here at ATS - the "National Socialist Movement" that wants to patrol the border. Those Nazis got a disgusting amount of support on this board. Hey, Neo-Nazis, how about you charge up that hill and show us what you're made of!


It's like Bobby Jindal complaining about the stimulus package...then happily giving out oversized checks for the TV cameras. Oh, and he ridiculed federal "volcano monitoring" just a few weeks before a volcano woke up in Alaska. But an oil slick? "Help, Uncle Sam! We can't deal with anything on our own!"

These people are all about taking care of themselves until they actually have a NEED to, then they want Obama to come save them.

Guess you should have stood up for "states rights" when GWB decided to deploy your National Guard overseas, Arizona.



posted on Jun, 22 2010 @ 04:55 PM
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Originally posted by John_Doe
The Drug trade is a very VERY lucrative business. Why would the government want to shut a border down that they make allot of money off of. Drug trade is serious business.


Illegal immigration is lucrative too, which is why no one REALLY wants to deal with illegal immigration. The GOP held the White House and Congress for quite some time, yet somehow never got around to doing anything about it. But they're quick to say "Something needs to be done NOW!" since they aren't responsible for it anymore.

You want to eliminate illegal immigration? Fining companies that hire illegal immigrants (and arresting the people who profit from it) will go a LONG way to stemming the tide.

But that would cut off cheap labor that the upper class can exploit. Can't have that. I mean, health benefits and a living wage are unAmerican!



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