Animal Cruetly By Police

Originally posted by slugger9787
They put a pole on the dog to control the animal and move him to get a clear shot with no persons or property behind the dog so when they fired and could have missed it would not hit something or someone.

Me I usually dont call anyone, if a dog is running loose I just shoot it and dump the body.

I have shot lots of things when I was a young boy, when am I going to turn into a serial killer?

Most often the type of exploratory predatory behavior demonstrated in the formative years of a serial killer are also indicative of high IQs in operation.

I would not worry about it if I were you.

Originally posted by brill
Its a dog people, seriously some of you need to look at the big picture. Is it pretty.....no, but to piss and whine about a dog being put down speaks volumes about the simple mindsets of some. I've seen pictures of dead children thrown into a garbage heap after the Haiti earthquake, now that was unsettling. Get a grip

brill

It is just an excuse so people can rag on the cops.

I saw the video finally. I have to say look even if the dog was taken it would been sent to a kill facility anyway. It is people who don't take care of their animals that are cruel which also brought this dogs fate. You people need to take care of your animals. I have cats and sure as hell take care of them.

this sends a deadly message that cops think it is perfectly okay to execute a animal for no reason. Judging by other stuff in the news lately also, they are doing it more and more.

I really need to dig up the video I saved on youtube years ago (hopefully I didn't lose it) where some cops in arizona? engaged in a stand off with someone, then suddenly released their dog and at the same time poured hundreds of rounds into the dog as well as the guy standing on the porch, then spent pretty much the rest of the video "uhh, you go check em, no you, no you, uhh, maybe you!" behind the camera...

Here when a cop gets killed, no one cares anymore, Never really has for the most part. Cops here are on the hook for alot of stuff, trying to pin false drunk driving charges on a guy who turned into a cop car doing 130 mph to a false rape call with NO lights/sirens on!

another cop killed a 16 year old boy with mental problems who had a knife to the mom's throat while she is screaming don't shoot, don't shoot, he has done this before! Just talk him down! (they even screwed up by admitting that he was in their system as mentally disabled, but quickly retracted that part)

One recently responded to calls of a "suspicious prowler" in a area, he sees someone moving over a fence, so he starts firing shots randomly! turned out to be a guy just walking home from work taking a short cut he has always taken... the cop missed, but still.... good grief!

hell, we've got a cop running for sheriff? right now who is world wide famous for her lovely handiwork with a suspect and accidental discharge....



All of her posters around town in dirt lots and on fences lately are getting tagged with clown wigs... hmm, wonder why?

What I see in this video is the police are cowards. Both of them are in fear.
Both are so scared of a dog showing that it would have ran away if it wasn't tied down. Even after they shoot the dog they are afraid.
A can of vienna sauage would have worked better than the pole.
Now there is lesson to learn here. The Police are in fear, be careful when you are in close proximity to someone who is this afraid, they will hurt you.

Originally posted by K J Gunderson

I've seen pictures of dead children thrown into a garbage heap after the Haiti earthquake, now that was unsettling. Get a grip

My complaint is the actions of the officers. I made that pretty clear. The officers who were people that CHOSE to do a messed thing. You come along and tell us to stop being angry with the cops over this because there was an earthquake??????????

YOU EXPLAIN YOUR LOGIC. Ironic you got a star for pointing out how stupid your post originally came across. You do not get that though.
P.S. - You do not get to decided how big my tickets are.

Ok time for the crayons and sock puppets I guess. My point was simple....work with me here, its not that hard. I'm merely stating that there was an incredible amount of concern given to an animal that was arguably put down in the best interests of those who do this type of job daily. I'm not an animal control expert, are you ? One would assume this happens a lot, all the more reason to not place a lot of focus on the matter, it happens. The said you've indicated that the officers "chose to do a messed up thing", but who are you to decide what's messed up ? I'm in no position to argue that point I wasn't there and I certainly don't have their experience, do you ?

Still with me ? The earthquake comment was my way of saying that there are greater atrocities that warrant far more concern but sure that's a personal sentiment. I just don't get all teary eyed and let make sappy judgements when a dog gets put down. If it bothers you that much, so be it.

brill

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Originally posted by K J Gunderson
Most often the type of exploratory predatory behavior demonstrated in the formative years of a serial killer are also indicative of high IQs in operation.

I would not worry about it if I were you.

comment removed, better things to do.
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brill

[edit on 20-6-2010 by brill]

Originally posted by brill
Ok time for the crayons and sock puppets I guess.

Yes, you might need them to help you understand that not everyone needs to agree with your set of values. It is not that I do not understand, I know exactly what you said. You are attempting to deflect from it now and you start by insulting my intelligence? OK.

My point was simple

I wholly agree.

....work with me here, its not that hard. I'm merely stating that there was an incredible amount of concern given to an animal that was arguably put down in the best interests of those who do this type of job daily. I'm not an animal control expert, are you ?

No, you are already wrong. Read the thread again. Where are all the posts screaming about a dead dog? Point them out to me? The majority to me point out people upset with actions taken by police. The dead dog is the result of what it is people are complaining about.

This is very simple. I will try to make it more simple and all without talking about your crayons and puppets. People are upset with the choices the cops made. I most definitely have a problem with the CHOICES the COPS MADE. Dogs die everyday. It happens and is a fact of life. I can handle that. It does not mean that any manner in which they meet that end is no longer up for consideration. People die everyday too and yet we investigate murders when they happen. Know why? DIFFERENT ACTIONS MADE BY PEOPLE WITH FREE WILL.

One would assume this happens a lot, all the more reason to not place a lot of focus on the matter, it happens.

Why would one assume that? The only thing you are assuming is that dogs die. YEP! Maybe if you were reading the posts in this thread, you would have seen by now that I never once complained about seeing a dog corpse. I complained about HOW IT GOT THAT WAY.

I know there will be another post and I will have to explain this again so be helpful and insult my intelligence again before going into your speech that completely misses the point of anything I have said.

The said you've indicated that the officers "chose to do a messed up thing", but who are you to decide what's messed up ?

I am me. Who are you to tell me I am not allowed to have an opinion. "Twilight" sucked too. Come get me.

I'm in no position to argue that point I wasn't there and I certainly don't have their experience, do you ?

What experience is that? Dealing with a vicious dog? Yep. Been attacked a few times and still never had to put one down on the spot. Or do you mean police experience like judging speeders without a gun, ordering coffee, typing in plate numbers? What experience do you think they have that you do not that applies here?

Maybe you should watch the video of the incident. It sure made it easy for me to judge. The dog was subdued and contained. This is the point where it is taken into custody and if so, ordered put down in a private facility in a humane manner, instead of where my children would be anxiously watching out the window to see what is going to happen.

Still with me ?

Apparently not because you are making an argument that maybe you meant to make to someone else?

The earthquake comment was my way of saying that there are greater atrocities that warrant far more concern but sure that's a personal sentiment.

Uh huh and they suck too.

Maybe I should take a moment to educate you about something. Posting an opinion in this thread, does not preclude me from getting upset about other things. I do not have a limited supply of sympathy and empathy. Who says I am not upset about lots of dead children? When did I say this was a greater tragedy? Did I post something without knowing it? I do not like the choice made by the police in this incident. I am free to say that and still get all kinds of upset about dead kids. I cannot however, express anger over the choices made by a natural disaster. That might mean that you are trying to compare apples and oranges and for some reason seem to think I have to choose between them. I can make fruit salad if I wish and I am very sorry if that upsets you.

Does it not strike you as the least bit ironic?

What is your complaint?

"Stop getting mad at cops shooting a dog outside, in the front yard, that posed no threat when you should be upset about dead kids from an earthquake."

Well then please listen up.

You are getting upset about people being upset about a dog getting shot when you should be upset about dead kids from an earthquake.

With me yet?

I just don't get all teary eyed and let make sappy judgements when a dog gets put down. If it bothers you that much, so be it.

I could really care less how you feel about it and have no clue why you might even think that I would. You want to tell me that what I feel is wrong, while you do the exact same thing, and then tell me to just deal with it? How about you stop trying to convince me that you are right and just have your opinion and let me have mine? I mean, really. How can you be so upset over my posts on ATS about a cop shooting a dog when kids are being killed by earthquakes?!?!?!?!?!?! Where are your priorities?

brill

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Originally posted by brill

Originally posted by K J Gunderson
Most often the type of exploratory predatory behavior demonstrated in the formative years of a serial killer are also indicative of high IQs in operation.

I would not worry about it if I were you.

comment removed, better things to do.
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brill

[edit on 20-6-2010 by brill]

You have better things to do so you took more time to come back and TYPE MORE STUFF? LOL!

Basically what you said was that after reading my posts, you felt there was no need to worry about me having any brains either. That might be true but I know better than to take more time to do extra things and then say I did because I had better things to do.

The dog really did not need to be shout out in public, in the yard, in broad daylight like that.

Like I said before, my dad's dog was taken into custody for multiple attacks and then a DECISION was made that maybe the dog did not suck but the owner did so they REMOVED THE DOG and it lived a long healthy attack free life with a lovely elderly woman in the city. I can guarantee that had this gone down, as a kid I would have been scarred for life seeing my best friend shot like that because my dad was a crappy owner. Second, my dad would have opened fire and gone to prison after maybe or maybe not killing a cop. It would have ended so much better than just taking the dog to a new house.

Originally posted by K J Gunderson

Originally posted by brill

Originally posted by K J Gunderson
Most often the type of exploratory predatory behavior demonstrated in the formative years of a serial killer are also indicative of high IQs in operation.

I would not worry about it if I were you.

comment removed, better things to do.
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brill

[edit on 20-6-2010 by brill]

You have better things to do so you took more time to come back and TYPE MORE STUFF? LOL!

Clearly we are at odds, that will not change and I certainly do not agree with anything you have stated. I had to edit the post because I cannot delete it. Rather than continue this pointless bickering I took the step to better the situation and not get into something even more stupid and hostile. Moving along.

brill

Originally posted by brill
Clearly we are at odds, that will not change and I certainly do not agree with anything you have stated.

You think?

Personally, that is part of what I like. I am free to have and express how I feel about it and so are you. Apparently that bothers you? I like it.

I had to edit the post because I cannot delete it.

Which still takes more time than doing nothing so your lame excuse about having better things to do makes no sense. If you want to insult me, do it. If you want to recant, be honest about why. Making up such a poor excuse to cover for an attack on intelligence is irony at its best. You are a hoot.

Rather than continue this pointless bickering I took the step to better the situation and not get into something even more stupid and hostile. Moving along.

brill

Should'a left out that bit about better things to do then.

Look, I do not see anything right about what happened on the video. The dog was calm and restrained. There was no reason to not at the very least take it out of public view to execute it. Instead, they gave a nice little show about how to kill a still and docile animal because a human was neglecting their duties. If the dog was such a problem, got catch it and get it out of the situation and then decide what to do. Do not shoot a dog in front of me and my children on my street in my neighborhood. You just dont do that when there is no threat.

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Originally posted by pteridine

Originally posted by Nivcharah

Originally posted by pteridine
Wait until you have more information before you judge the officers.

I don't need anymore information. I have all the evidence I really need based upon the video.

At this point, I deem you a troll as I find no logic in your posts.

Look for logic in your own posts and deem what you will. Emotion drives you.

My My, judging by your last few posts, you really do think your some kind of Vulcan alien don't you. With all your logic and emotion dribble. STOP watching so much star trek, and go socialise down the pub for a few hours with us emotionally driven apes. Seriously, get a reality check.

Originally posted by K J Gunderson
Should'a left out that bit about better things to do then.

Should have left your insult out to another user (the post about the person who shot animals in his youth and you hinted he had nothing to worry about IQ wise, a clear insult). But that's ok, right ?

Look, I do not see anything right about what happened on the video.

And I've said kill it. We disagree.

brill

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reply to post by Jonro

I am saying that not all the evidence is in and judging the actions of the police is premature. Many animal lovers ascribe human characteristics to dogs and cats and this sort of thing gets them emotionally involved.

You would understand this better if you were shown a video of a keg of Guinness being bashed open and dropped into the sea. Surely, a crime against humanity, but without the reasoning behind it, you can't really conclude anything about the perpetrator. Then, you might discover that the keg was mislabeled and actually contained Coor's Light, a watery swill unfit for human consumption. The perp is a hero and has saved you from Light Beer poisoning.
Back to the pub for you to await the PM's call for help. He does have the number, doesn't he?

reply to post by Bachrk


Honestly I'm not a malicious person and my intentions are always that of a pure heart. But in certain circumstances my mind goes to a very evil place and I think of the most unimaginable awful things I would do to this man. The dog looks like a bull terrier mix, I own two american bull terriers (pitbull), their my family... in short I would've gone mental if this was my dog. Jail or death by the police for killing this man would be my only options, this man would not get away with this not by me if I had my say. My cruel mind can find many a suitable ways to dispose of this waste of life.

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I'll add you to the same list of the police officer, I wouldn't mind you u2u'ing your name and address to me either.

This is an open post, ANYONE WHO DOESN'T THINK THIS WAS AN ACT OF ANIMAL CRUELTY ON A DOG THAT WAS ALREADY CLEARLY CHAINED UP: PLEASE POST YOUR PERSONAL INFORMATION TO ME IN A U2U. IF YOU PEOPLE HAVE ANY BALLS YOU WOULDN'T MIND ME ADDING YOU TO LIST OF PEOPLE THAT WILL BE SENT TO EVERY ANIMAL ACTIVIST ASSOCIATION IN THE WORLD. THE TITLE OF THE PAPER WILL BE, PEOPLE OF ANIMAL CRUELTY INTEREST, LIKE I SAID TALKS CHEAP YOU REALLY WANNA STAND BY THIS COP PUT IT ON PAPER! SISSY BOYS. SHOOTING FISH IN A BARREL IS PROBABLY EXCEPTABLE TO YOU TOO.

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From what I can see in the video, that dog was clearly not a danger to anyone, even the police. Just because they claim she was acting aggressively off camera doesn't excuse the concept they could very well be lying to cover Howell's rear end from any litigations.

If the dog had been stressed to the point of aggression, we would've been seeing some key indicators, such as snarling, hackles being raised, or the dog beginning to get bite-happy with the pole. Instead, all we see is a dog hesitantly trying to flee away from people she can sense that are afraid of her. Dogs can pick up on a person's fear, and she was obviously trying NOT to be a threat to them. A dog that's aggressive won't normally back down from it's chance to dominate over a human that's displaying fear. She knew her place, and she wasn't trying to cause any trouble.

It's possible to remove a dog, pit or not, off the street without shooting it, and doesn't necessarily require a lot of skill as long as you understand a dog's body language. Body language is KEY in understanding ANY animal, especially a pack animal that uses it as their PRIMARY TOOL OF COMMUNICATION.

And if you don't believe me, watch one of them animal cop shows on Animal Planet. Watch them walk stressed dogs on leashes to their car, or wrangle fighting pits at large into the back of a van, and observe both the dog's posture and officer's handling.

And where was animal control? Why were police officers called in to handle a dog, when they are clearly not qualified to do so? I doubt that it would be hard to keep an animal like that - LEASHED and everything - in one spot while you radio'd for trained backup. Maybe I'm missing something here, eh.

They could have just spared themselves all kinds of legal matters and PETA crazed masses by just bringing the animal to the shelter to be humanely euthanized, rather than being one heck of a poor shot out in the middle of some neighborhood where kids could be watching. They could have gone about this in a legal fashion, rather than trying to cut corners and expect not to get reprimanded for it. My god, these are OFFICERS, people we entrust who will do the RIGHT and LEGAL thing - not some redneck civilian brandishing a firearm on his porch step, shooting at feral animals.

That goes for whoever was the brains behind this WONDERFUL operation, be it the officers themselves or whoever was on the other end of the line feeding them instructions.

reply to post by dragnet53


This dog was owned, had a license and wouldn't have been killed. The owner way have had to pay a fine, "For what I don't know.", and the dog would've been released back to them. The dog wouldn't have gone to a kill facility unless it was being picked up for malicious intent toward humans, which it wasn't, supposably it was for not being chained up.... which it clearly was.

reply to post by scabbyelbows


Great post, I'd like to see some people take a shot at the where in the HELL was animal control thing and why were cops handling this. Great post to many ignorant people in here.