World Cup fans executed

reply to post by Gentill Abdulla


I don't think it's worth it to keep up this argument. These people are just plain ignorant, or stupid, or both. They think that a few years of very selective reading and research done in the shadow of the 9/11 propaganda machine can give them a full picture of Islam. Nothing will convince them otherwise because they do not want to believe otherwise. I think you'd be better off starting a new thread to specifically address these ridiculous attacks on Islam so that you won't be fighting an uphill battle.

Originally posted by N1ghtCr4wl3r
And people say that Islam is a peaceful religion. What would make someone think that?

If 10,000 out of 1.5bil muslims are nutters, would that mean the rest of the muslims should be labeld nuters too?

It amazes me how people are ready to sideline 1.5bil population of this planet and make them all look like blood thirsty terrorists.

Originally posted by bagari
reply to post by b0sanac

 

The true muslim problem is that the majority of peace-loving muslims never come out and publicly denounce these types of things. If there was a concerted efffort to do so, the world would look upon islam in a more favorable manner. But since there is never a public muslim outcry against these stories or any call for action against those who perpetrate them, the world can only assume it is due to one of the following:

1) muslims are afraid that they will be killed if they speak out
2) muslims secretly condone what was done

Just realize that both a and b reveal that this religion is not the religion of peace it claims to be.

Best post in the entire thread.

I support a group called. Act For America. It's a group of people including Muslims and ex Muslims that do denounce the things extremist Muslims are doing.

They tell you about happenings in the Muslim world and give you the true take on the situation.. how and where the extremist go wrong.. and why.

They tell you about how these extremist factions have vowed to take over the United States and are slowly doing this from within - and how to stop them.

There may be many peace loving Muslims out there that honestly don't know what's going on.. just like every person who calls himself a Christian does not know 1/4 of the teachings of Jesus or true Christian tenets. People need to know these things so they won't get taken in by extremist views and become brainwashed.

Check it out: www.actforamerica.org...

reply to post by boondock-saint

I can tell you unfortunately...

DJ Grooverider, one of the pioneers of Drum & Bass music in the early days & 10 years host of dnb shows on BBC Radio1, was facing years in a dubai jail after being arrested in his hotel room with 2 grams of weed ($20 worth) and a porno magazine. Don't know how the case panned out but I think he ended up in jail over there for it.

The poor bastard would have gone there just to check out this amazing city, share the amazing gift that is DNB music with the 'folks' over there & would have no doubt been paid f*ck all for doing it as per tradition for the services of a dnb dj that isn't Andy C or Pendulum.

So the way I figure it, he went over there more for them than himself & this is how he is repaid.

what a dog act.

-B.M

[edit on 16/6/10 by B.Morrison]

Originally posted by spearhead
reply to post by LittleSecret

 

hold up! hold up! Now i'm gonna say this in the most ignorant fashion I can.

The TV said they were killed for watching soccer. Now yes in some cases it is justifiable but when you add African and Islam into the equation it becomes an issue.

NB: all italics text is equal to but not greater than sarcasm!!!

No the question once more:

How do you know they were killed due to watching soccer?

You say because TV says so, that is a problem, because the insurgents are fighting a Western puppet, and the TV is Western.

The soccer games are banned, I know that, but if you claim two people were killed due to watching TV, then that is a big claim, which needs more than speculations as evidence.

I find the ban legitimate because Somalia is at war against external forces, instead of focusing on fixing the huge problems which exist in that country, these fans just sit and watch soccer while Mogadishu is being bombarded and innocent people getting killed all around:

MOGADISHU, Somalia -- At least 17 civilians were killed Thursday when government forces backed by the firepower of African Union peacekeepers launched coordinated attacks against Islamic insurgent strongholds in the Somali capital, officials said.

Among the dead are six women and a family of five whose home was smashed by shelling, said Ali Muse, the head of Mogadishu's ambulance service. He said at least 61 other civilians were wounded in the heavy shelling and gunbattles that started early Thursday in northern Mogadishu.

www.seattlepi.com...

Originally posted by JohnPhoenix

Originally posted by bagari
reply to post by b0sanac

 

The true muslim problem is that the majority of peace-loving muslims never come out and publicly denounce these types of things. If there was a concerted efffort to do so, the world would look upon islam in a more favorable manner. But since there is never a public muslim outcry against these stories or any call for action against those who perpetrate them, the world can only assume it is due to one of the following:

1) muslims are afraid that they will be killed if they speak out
2) muslims secretly condone what was done

Just realize that both a and b reveal that this religion is not the religion of peace it claims to be.

Best post in the entire thread.

I support a group called. Act For America. It's a group of people including Muslims and ex Muslims that do denounce the things extremist Muslims are doing.

They tell you about happenings in the Muslim world and give you the true take on the situation.. how and where the extremist go wrong.. and why.

They tell you about how these extremist factions have vowed to take over the United States and are slowly doing this from within - and how to stop them.

There may be many peace loving Muslims out there that honestly don't know what's going on.. just like every person who calls himself a Christian does not know 1/4 of the teachings of Jesus or true Christian tenets. People need to know these things so they won't get taken in by extremist views and become brainwashed.

Check it out: www.actforamerica.org...

Muslim scholars have there own t.v. show. Its only found by satelite it's called Peace TV.

IF you can get there they answer questions regarding any subject on Islam.

peacetv.in...

Originally posted by b0sanac


That being said it also sickens me how every one of these threads gets derailed by some asshole and goes on to become a thread full of muslim haters. I mean # me people are you that stupid or what? I grew up in a muslim country, my whole family is muslim as well as relatives, etc etc.. I have dated non-muslim girls, more than once and im still here today. there is islam then there is the extremist interpretation of islam. and once again people need to learn to distinguish the difference between MUSLIM and ARAB culture. You'd be stupid to think that all arabs are muslim, and likewise. Not all ARABS are muslim and not all muslims are arab. Im caucasian, I was born in europe, I was born a muslim.

So please stop derailing the thread with your "muslim terrorist" bull#.
I would think it obvious that the country is ruled by extreme sharia law.

[edit on 15-6-2010 by b0sanac]

With all due respect, sincerely, most of us do not have a feel for how much is propaganda and how much is the reality--it's not so easy to differentiate.

I myself am not satisfied just taking the word of a few ATS'ers that it's all propaganda. In my opinion, terrorism is terrorism, and I'm only hearing of it coming from one group for quite a long time now. I certainly understand and agree that not all Muslims are extremists, as is the case with any other religion. I work with a couple of Muslims and they're great guys--I'm even able to have open discussions with them about these types of things and they distance themselves from the extremists.

One can say that all apples are fruit, but one cannot say that all fruit are apples. Acts of terrorism by self-proclaimed Muslims are happening around the world--even in China and the Philippines. This is fact and cannot be denied. It may be morally wrong to stereotype people, but sometimes it's a human instinct that's necessary to survival. Perhaps there are wolves in the world that won't eat rabbits, but is that any reason rabbits should not be wary of any wolf they come into contact with?

I think most of the people who are stereotyping in this way tend to do it more from an instinctual, survivalist standpoint--not because we dislike people or feel superior to them--that's just my opinion.

In all honesty, if I were at a grocery store and saw a Muslim decked-out in their holy garb, I would be paying special attention to them, given what's happened since 9/11. Would I attack them either physically or verbally? Of course not. Would I look down on them? Of course not. But I am going to watch them to see if they demonstrate any weird sort of behavior that could imply a threat to mine or my children's safety. I may be wrong in this, but I'm being honest and telling you how I feel. I was not this way before 9/11.

reply to post by Atomic Honey


If you know the reasoning behind the violence than you will understand, that for you to even use the word terrorist, or terrorism, means you have fallen for propaganda.

Take a second to reflect:
Why isn't America a terrorist nation for killing over 700 innocent Pakistanis with drones?

Originally posted by LittleSecret
reply to post by Atomic Honey

 

If you know the reasoning behind the violence than you will understand, that for you to even use the word terrorist, or terrorism, means you have fallen for propaganda.

Take a second to reflect:
Why isn't America a terrorist nation for killing over 700 innocent Pakistanis with drones?

So what do the "terrorist" attacks in China and the Philippines fall under? I'm not going to take the time right now to look up the links, but I didn't obtain these stories from MSM or even American news outlets. I don't even think either of these two nations would be part of the western powers. And in the case of China, how would this "propaganda" profit them? As far as I can tell, China has gone out of their way to keep these stories from going mainstream--my guess would be that publicizing these things could give them the appearance of weakness.

As far as the death of innocents goes, I can't say too much because I haven't done the research, to be honest. I will say that, whether or not it's right or wrong, the US is actively engaged in at least 2 wars at the moment. Whenever a nation is in a state of war there are going to be civilian casualties--that is a simple fact that's consistent throughout history. I'm guessing you will say "But we're not at war with Pakistan." I agree, and that's what makes this situation so unique. We are at war with people that are infecting other nations that we have no beef with, but we are at war nevertheless

reply to post by boondock-saint


the "reward" for the murders is they go to heaven and spend eternity with 12 pigs.. rather virgins

no.. make that 12 virgin pigs

[edit on 17-6-2010 by ccsct203]

[edit on 17-6-2010 by ccsct203]

Originally posted by Atomic Honey



So what do the "terrorist" attacks in China and the Philippines fall under? I'm not going to take the time right now to look up the links, but I didn't obtain these stories from MSM or even American news outlets. I don't even think either of these two nations would be part of the western powers. And in the case of China, how would this "propaganda" profit them? As far as I can tell, China has gone out of their way to keep these stories from going mainstream--my guess would be that publicizing these things could give them the appearance of weakness.

I will repeat, you do not know the reasoning behind the violence, if you don't, how can you categorize it as terrorism? That is why I stated you already have fallen for propaganda.

China and Philippines, why do you think their is violence on those two countries?

As far as the death of innocents goes, I can't say too much because I haven't done the research, to be honest. I will say that, whether or not it's right or wrong, the US is actively engaged in at least 2 wars at the moment. Whenever a nation is in a state of war there are going to be civilian casualties--that is a simple fact that's consistent throughout history. I'm guessing you will say "But we're not at war with Pakistan." I agree, and that's what makes this situation so unique. We are at war with people that are infecting other nations that we have no beef with, but we are at war nevertheless

US actively engaged in two wars doesn't mean it is not capable of terrorism, when you send drones and terrorize and kill innocent people, it is called terrorism.

We are at war with people that are infecting other nations that we have no beef with,

So if those people who inflicted the 9/11 attacks say: "we are at war with America, and in a state of war there are going to be civilian casualties", would you be satisfied with that?

Because you are saying the same thing to justify the death of almost 1000 innocent Pakistanis.

Then again, why would you care?

Originally posted by ccsct203
reply to post by boondock-saint

 

the "reward" for the murders is they go to heaven and spend eternity with 12 pigs.. rather virgins

no.. make that 12 virgin pigs

[edit on 17-6-2010 by ccsct203]

[edit on 17-6-2010 by ccsct203]

12 virgin pigs and 1 virgin ignorant hence ^

second line/

Show me where in the Koran that soccer is banned.

End of thread.

Originally posted by whitl103
reply to post by mobiusmale

 

To solely blame Islamic beliefs for murder only displays that you have not yet done the proper research and you harbor your own xenophobic feelings. It's okay, we've all had them. I used to believe Muslims were absolutely crazy, until I stepped back and gave respect to my fellow man by trying to understand his situation. All I found is that Islam is being used to control people and gain power just as Christianity, Judaism, Democracy, Communism, music, movies and just about any other unifying idea has been used. If you have that much hate in you toward an entire group of people whom you don't even know and have not lived among, then it's time to do some serious soul searching. People are people. Most Muslims are born into Islam, and have no choice what their taught by their parents and culture and leaders. Just like you.

Violence in Islam in the modern world is a sad story of sociopaths finding a unifying belief to exploit and control people. JUST LIKE OUR LEADERS USE DEMOCRACY, CAPITALISM and CHRISTIANITY. It's really sad and it's really bad right now in the Muslim world, but it's not the religion itself doing the damage. Hitler killed people for what they watched, he was not Muslim. Stalin killed people for what they watched, he was not Muslim.

If you read the Quran, you'll discover that it does not tell people to murder those watching soccer. Corrupt leaders of a nation do. If you read the Constitution, you'll discover it does not tell people to invade other countries and murder those who hold different beliefs. Corrupt leaders of a nation do. What causes these things to happen? Dangerous people in a position of power. Not a book based on peace.

We gather here at ATS to deny ignorance. To make these sweeping generalizations about a belief system based on peace is only limiting your own cognitive and emotional development.

I speak out of concern, not malice.

Of course, I do not "solely blame Islamic beliefs for murder". And my concern about the behaviour of Muslims is not xenophobic, in that part of my concern is that "home-grown" Muslims are now a large part of the problem.

I find it comical, to be honest, that someone would say that "If you have that much hate in you toward an entire group of people"...blah, blah, blah...when it is not me who is advocating for the killing or subjucation of peoples...only them (Muslims).

I don't hate them. I just hate that they hate me. I just hate that they want to kill or torture, or imprison, or tax, all those who don't agree with their philosophy.

I find it really interesting that so many people want to excuse the worldwide behaviour of Muslims...when if these same people were to visit Muslim controlled territories, they would be targets for abduction or murder.

I imagine these same people saying,"I don't believe that Muslims have a global dominance agenda...or (as a group) are hostile against non-Muslims", as they are getting their heads cut off on video by Allah's finest.

Do your own research on what is really going on in the world before you preach to me. The evidence is overwhelming for my stance...yours is based only on bleeding-heart sentimentality.

reply to post by mobiusmale


I don't hate you, that is enough to put you on mute for a while ^^

No one hates you, stop being a drama queen lol

By the way I'm Muslim.