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posted on Jun, 8 2010 @ 05:10 PM
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The Feminist Movement—Ruining The Image Of Men

So, people aren’t going to like me for this one, primarily the girls here on ATS, but ohh well it needs to be said.


Feminism refers to political, cultural, and economic movements aimed at establishing greater rights and legal protections for women. Feminism includes some of the sociological theories and philosophies concerned with issues of gender difference. It is also a movement that campaigns for women's rights and interests.[1][2][3][4][5] Nancy Cott defines feminism as the belief in the importance of gender equality, invalidating the idea of gender hierarchy as a socially constructed concept.[6]


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So this is the basic premise of feminism. It was started as a great movement, an amazing movement in order to push for all the things which were stated above. Now most of those things have been accomplished on some level or another.

I am aware of wages disparities still and some of the bias still issued towards women, but I want to discuss this “new age” feminism that is coming to light in industrialized nations who already had a big “feminism” movement in the last 3 decades.

It seems that today’s feminism is all about reducing the male gender to nothing. Continually pushing an agenda that seeks to demonize and put down the male perspective in favor of that of women.

I have seen this happen first hand in the media, court systems (primarily family court) and in societal settings in general. It seems in this day and age the women are the rulers and we are the slaves.

There’s also over the past decade or so, a movement that has arisen to ‘feminize’ men into being more women like. The age of the lumber jack and the protector are days of the past it seems. Women crave the sensitive, emo type character we see in the movies and books of today’s youth.

You could also use the new term “Metro Sexual” as the defining label to this new bread of men.

I want to open a discussing about the points made above, in regards specifically to men being looked down upon as second class citizens, and being forced to change themselves in order to be successful in what I call today’s “Woman’s World”.

Thoughts ATS?

ETA: I don't want this to turn into a woman's bashing thread either folks, I just wanted to discuss feminism as the movement and the conspiracy I kind of see coming out of the new age feminists.

I don't want any of our members to feel attacked by this OP..

[edit on 6/8/2010 by tothetenthpower]



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posted on Jun, 8 2010 @ 05:26 PM
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As I man I do feel unfairly demonized by the feminist movement, sometimes like I'm a victim. My self-esteem definately isn't where it should be.

Most females want to take your dignity, but that's not enough for them they want your pride, your money, your self-respect. And when they can't squeeze out anymore they want you dead.

But hey, I always tell myself "The harder the battle, the sweeter the victory."


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posted on Jun, 8 2010 @ 05:31 PM
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In recent years I've seen almost the direct opposite of that. The beating down of the typical masculine type has created an exaggerated masculine identity. Look no further than simple urban "culture" if you can call it that. Prized traits include brutish aggressiveness, nonsensical violence at the drop of a hat, illiteracy, tendency to copulate with anything that moves.

While women, young girls especially, will dance all night to music that is essentially about treating them like trash. They'll seek out one of these brute types and stay despite constant abuse and they'll have limitless children without the means or stability to support them because it's "the thing to do."

Honestly, I thought feminism died decades ago. There are more fledgling porn stars and single-use sluts coming up now than there seems to have ever been. The females have a complete lack of respect for themselves while the males have a distorted and warped concept of respect that is devoid of dignity.



posted on Jun, 8 2010 @ 05:33 PM
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I like your bravery!

I actually think the feminist movement is making women look worse.
We have always been equals and the laws and society are finally in the past 50 years starting to reflect that.
The more a woman wants to isolate herself as an object thats vulnerable the worse she makes it on herself.
Nice thread...pass me a flame suit please.



posted on Jun, 8 2010 @ 05:35 PM
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Originally posted by tothetenthpower
The Feminist Movement—Ruining The Image Of Men

It seems that today’s feminism is all about reducing the male gender to nothing. Continually pushing an agenda that seeks to demonize and put down the male perspective in favor of that of women.

I have seen this happen first hand in the media, court systems (primarily family court) and in societal settings in general. It seems in this day and age the women are the rulers and we are the slaves.

There’s also over the past decade or so, a movement that has arisen to ‘feminize’ men into being more women like. The age of the lumber jack and the protector are days of the past it seems. Women crave the sensitive, emo type character we see in the movies and books of today’s youth.

You could also use the new term “Metro Sexual” as the defining label to this new bread of men.

I want to open a discussing about the points made above, in regards specifically to men being looked down upon as second class citizens, and being forced to change themselves in order to be successful in what I call today’s “Woman’s World”.

Thoughts ATS?


Being a woman, I myself haven't noticed the demonizing of the male perspective, but then again, I am not a man, and have seen the other side of that, so that opinion is going to be subjective, depending on what the individual male has gone through.

As far as the "feminine" man, or the "metrosexual", I will take the protector or the lumberjack over a feminine man anyday.
Sensitive is good, but being a bit of a tomboy type all my life, I cringe at the idea of some guy worrying about his nails, or his hair. How can you even go camping or fishing with that type? Guys can be both sensitive and tough at the same time. I have been lucky to know many like that.



posted on Jun, 8 2010 @ 05:37 PM
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one thing i find funny is how many movies are made with women as the hero
i mean i do enjoy women in action scenes but come on how can we think there are that many women who can physically beat a man up

there seems like theres always one of these tough girls in the movies nowadays
beating up some big guy and in real life i have never seen a woman of this caliber

women are the most protected thing in western society and its still not enough
what do they really want already they have ruined marriage
they have ruined any real normal family life
more and more people seem to grow up and become criminals

i am a man i am sorry if another man has hurt you i am sorry if i have
but men and women at war and no one wins



posted on Jun, 8 2010 @ 05:37 PM
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But aren't those just some fads? It will go over, i mean Metrosexuals or the now very popular (here in Germany at least) Emo-Movement are just some trends that will be over soon. I mean that Emo Look was allready popular in the 80's. Remember Glam Metal? Guys dressed like Girls, with Make-Up and all the crap? (Just google for the Band Poison and you know what i mean) or in the 70's the Glam Rock Movement with for example David Bowie? Wasn't that basically the same "Guys as Girls"-Thing? (Just google for "Dead or Alive - You spin me round (Like a Record)", the singer in some scenes looks like a girl and that was in 1984!)

I truly don't believe that there is a "Feminist"-Movement, that tries to turn Guys into Girls. To be honest, i, as a Woman prefer "Real Men", from breast hair to beards and long hair. I HATE those Emo Guys and those "I shave every part of my body"-type of guys. Because to be honest most of them look like a bad joke.

On the same side i also say: Both Genders should be equal. I try to explain it: When i grew up i was never like those cliche girls around me. I never played with Barbie, i preferred Lego because it was way more creative. I started to play Video Games at an Age were most girls play with Dolls. In Grade School i sat beside my best friends while all other girls were like "Boys are eeeeewwwww" and i encountered a lot of guys who just cannot believe i'm into those "guy"-things. For example most guys think that Ice Hockey is a sport for Guys, despite the fact that the NHL has a fanbase compromised of nearly 50% women. The same goes for video games or my love for splatter movies. I say: Throw the gender crap out of the Window, there isn't such a thing as "Guy hobbies" or "Girl interests", there aren't "girl movies" or whatever. If people, if humanity can understand that, i think we will evolve one step and live more peaceful and than we can also say "Ok, there are guys who like to dress up as girls" or "Ok, there are Guys who look sexy because they don't folloe fashion trends" or "Ok there are girls who like to play video games" or "Those girls like to watch Titanic"



posted on Jun, 8 2010 @ 05:41 PM
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Most females want to take your dignity, but that's not enough for them they want your pride, your money, your self-respect. And when they can't squeeze out anymore they want you dead.


It's slowly coming to the point women are turning on anyone weaker than themselves as well as guys. I have been witness and heard stories.



posted on Jun, 8 2010 @ 05:43 PM
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Nothing has changed. Only now they want to influence directly instead of through their husbands. Friends of mine will do anything just to make them stop whining...

I already said they shouldn't have married before they did. I told you so, is what they get.


IMHO, women should be treated equal. That does not change the fact they are different and have their own role in life. Why is it they want to live like a man.

Women belong with their family. Don't think I'm discriminating here.
I think they are the center from where everything else is build from.

How many families these days have mummy working all day or just part time ?
I think this can be related to the state of misery we now live in.
When you remove the source, the foundation of civilization at will fall apart.

Just my two cents..



posted on Jun, 8 2010 @ 05:43 PM
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I myself done a thread on "modern woman",interesting view check my thread out.Its slightly different to yours.

Link~www.abovetopsecret.com...


Regards to all


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posted on Jun, 8 2010 @ 05:44 PM
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Somewhat agree and somewhat disagree.

When it comes to ruining the image of men, well, us men are doing a fine enough job of that all by ourselves unfortunately...



I do however agree that some elements and sectors of the Feminist Movement (at least as I have seen/experienced/perceive it) have certainly been dishing out their fair about of mudslinging blows against us men.


I work within a Health environment, within a Hospital Service (principally Mental Health). There are a high percentage of women working in my Team.
The standard lunchtime conversations in the Staff Lunch-room often centre around how crap men are, how we are dogs, untrustworthy, how useless their partners are...how we men are lazy, selfish and unthinking...how this man and that man has hurt them etc etc etc...

Its pretty much a free-for-all man-hate session up in there most lunchtimes.

Most of them know me however, and know that at least in my house I'm the one who does pretty much all the cooking (as I love to cook, always have), I do the greater majority of the cleaning (hell, I'm just really anal about keeping a presentable house), do most of the groceries, most of the laundry...as well as the yard work, house maintenance, car maintenance etc etc.
Even my wife - whom I totally cherish - openly admits shes perhaps a 'little lazy' and is fine with letting me do pretty much most of the work.

Thats also fine by me as well...as I know that when I might need a break from it I just ask the wife and she's happy enough to take care of whatever for a while.


...thats the thing: Work is work is work. Gender-roles? Nah bollocks. Housework needs to be done, regardless of if you're male or female...if you're living in that house then that work is YOURS...collectively.


So anyway...where was I going with this?
Oh yeah: The Staff Room lunchtime man-hate sessions...

While I do appreciate that people need to vent - again be they male or female - I also believe there comes a time when one really needs to take a SERIOUS look in the mirror and ask themselves the SERIOUS question of "What am I doing, or not doing, to contribute to what I'm receiving in life".

Thats NOT to belittle or deny the very real fact that shyte happens to good people. I'm NOT in any way deflecting or denying that noone asks for some of the real horrible things my female work colleagues have experienced...


...what I mean by that is, well, what I've often said to my work colleagues when they go off on their man-hate tirades:

"You're staying married to a man whom I have heard nothing but bad things about from you in the years I've know you. You - you have given how many chances to that cheating dog of a partner...and yet you shed tears yet again when hello he cheats yet again.
Really...instead of asking or bemoaning why Men are so crap, perhaps the bigger question to be asking is why YOU all seem to value yourselves so lowly that you remain in those relationships, why YOU all continue to repeat those cycles of abusive disrespectful men.
Perhaps its NOT actually Men who are the issue...perhaps its your own feelings of worth or lack thereof that permits yourself to be put in positons that enables it."



...that tends to go down like a cup of cold sick...


...ahh well...I do feel there is at least some truth in it...



Peace.



posted on Jun, 8 2010 @ 05:45 PM
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a woman who fears the LORD is to be praised.-Pr31.30

The LORD within her is righteous-Zeph3.5

like Sarah, who obeyed Abraham and called him her master. You are her daughters if you do what is right and do not give way to fear.-1Pet3.6

Now I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ-1Cor11.3

but the woman is the glory of man.-1Cor11.7

neither was man created for woman, but woman for man-9

In the Lord, however, woman is not independent of man, nor is man independent of woman.-11

For as woman came from man, so also man is born of woman. But everything comes from God.-12

She gave birth to a son, a male child-Rev12.5

it is not the natural children who are God's children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham's offspring.-Rom9.8

In that day seven women will take hold of one man and say, "We will eat our own food and provide our own clothes; only let us be called by your name. Take away our disgrace!"-Is4.1

From the throne came flashes of lightning, rumblings and peals of thunder. Before the throne, seven lamps were blazing. These are the seven spirits of God.-Rev4.5

The Spirit and the bride say, "Come!"-Rev22.17



posted on Jun, 8 2010 @ 05:46 PM
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You can't make the blanket statement that all women do this.
Thats kind of unfair.
I have heard both kinds of stories...women being jerks and women being a mans salvation.
Hey come on....women aren't ALL that bad.



posted on Jun, 8 2010 @ 05:47 PM
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Originally posted by dean007
one thing i find funny is how many movies are made with women as the hero
i mean i do enjoy women in action scenes but come on how can we think there are that many women who can physically beat a man up

there seems like theres always one of these tough girls in the movies nowadays
beating up some big guy and in real life i have never seen a woman of this caliber


Nowadays? Well what about the Alien movies? Ellen Ripley? The first one came out in 1979. What about Star Wars and Princess Leia?
Or even older: Barbarella with Jane Fonda from 1968 or Jane Fonda in Once upon a Time in the West, she was a pretty strong character. What about Lt. Uhura from Star Trek? What about japanese movies like Lady Snowblood or Sex & Fury? They're from the 70's. What about the 1970's Blaxploitation movies like Foxy Brown or Big Bad Mama?
There were always strong women in movies and tv series. It's not something new. Really not.

I can give you some examples of strong women in real live and i don't even go historical with Jeanne D'Arc or something.
Do you know about Cynthia Rothrock? 5 Time World Karate Champion and an Actress in Action movies, i bet she could kick your ass. Another example would be Roxanne Modafferi, she knows some martial arts and is one of the best female MMA-fighters in the world. Megumi Fuji would be another example that could kick some guys asses from there to eternity.
Take a look at Pro-Wrestler and i don't mean that crappy WWE Stuff but more the Hardcore and Ultraviolent Styles, just google for "LuFisto" or "Mickie Knuckles" and you'll see what i mean. Those are Women who aren't afraid of some blood, get thrown into barbed wire, lighttubes and all kinda crap but also some of the most hard-hitting women i have ever seen.

I hope through all those examples you see what i mean


[edit on 8/6/2010 by ShadowAngel85]



posted on Jun, 8 2010 @ 05:47 PM
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Thanks for your comments alien.

I agree that as men we have belittled ourselves and made a complete mockery as to what a man is suppose to be.

I also agree that the gender roles nonsense of "house wife" and "lumber jack jim" needs to be completely removed from our society.

I fear that the feminism movement, which I was a HUGE advocate for is becoming something very grotesque. It is becoming a culture of hating men, instead of one of respecting women.

~Keeper



posted on Jun, 8 2010 @ 05:48 PM
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Sounds to me like some one has recently read, or read of Esther Vilar, the Author of "The Manipulated Man" among other books.
en.wikipedia.org...

The main idea behind the book is that women are not oppressed by men, but rather control men in a relationship that is to their advantage but which most men are not aware of.

Some of the strategies described in her books are:
* Lure men with sex, using Seduction Strategies. As her famous quote goes:
"Men have been trained and conditioned by women, not unlike the way Pavlov conditioned his dogs, into becoming their slaves. As compensation for their labours men are given periodic use of a woman's vagina."

Young boys are encouraged to be sexually uninhibited and associate their masculinity with their ability to be sexually intimate with a woman. Young girls however are raised to be sexually inhibited, and trained to believe that their self-image is negatively affected by sexual intimacy with men. As a result, girls grow up in an environment where men are actively and openly desiring sex, while women are not. A woman thus socially empowers herself to be the gate-keeper to a man's sense of masculinity.
*snip*
* Use praise to control men by administering it carefully.
From a very early age, men are conditioned by both girls and their mothers to conform to social definitions and norms which women construct with their needs in mind. These definitions have one common element; they overplay the notion of a girl being emotionally and physically weaker than a boy, and a man being stronger than a woman. As a result, they use this excuse to give license to a woman to construct rules between the sexes that cater exclusively to her needs while ignoring any male needs.
*snip*
Women will also assert a sense of moral superiority over men in an attempt to suggest that all things female are right and all things male are wrong. References to the violent tendencies of a few men will be used to support such an argument. However, careful examination of the entire male population clearly fails to lend such support to an argument that depends on cherry-picking. An overall view of the entire female population on the other hand shows perversion of sex as a tool to be used in a manner identical to a prostitute, selfishness, self-serving intentions and motives, lack of care or consideration for their romantic partner, a disgusting lack of empathy and love, laziness, lack of genuine ambition and thirst for creativity and knowledge. Nevertheless, men are conditioned from a very early age to agree to the view as women as "the fairer sex".


One should also look into the co-opting of the early womens movement, specifically the suffragette's by the Advertising influences of Edward Benays for the Tobacco Companies.

This second video won't embed for some reason,

heres a direct link to it:
www.youtube.com...

[edit on 8-6-2010 by And Why]



posted on Jun, 8 2010 @ 05:52 PM
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Wow, somebody is a little twisted. The author that is.

I have no read that book but I will pick up, that topic interests me greatly.

I agree on some level that today's men are conditioned to be a women's beck and call, but no the the extend in your snippet.

Interesting stuff thanks.

~Keeper



posted on Jun, 8 2010 @ 05:56 PM
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I am actually starting to feel sorry for the guys writing in on this. Clearly they have met some really terrible women. We are not all that bad. Mind you, I have met some really terrible guys too.
Both sexes have a hard time with each other until we have enough experience to know when to walk away, sometimes from a marriage, sometimes just out of the room from an antagonist. Sometimes it seems like we are 2 different species.


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posted on Jun, 8 2010 @ 05:57 PM
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Originally posted by tothetenthpower
Women crave the sensitive, emo type character we see in the movies and books of today’s youth.

You could also use the new term “Metro Sexual” as the defining label to this new bread of men.


I'd like to know where exactly the idea that this is what all women want came from. There is quite a difference between being sensitive, and being a wimp. When women (yes I'm generalizing and yes there are some women who won't agree with me) say that they want guys to be sensitive, we don't mean we want guys to be complete pansies who cry over everything and take everything as an excuse to be moody and brood. We mean that it's ok to cry sometimes, it's ok to be considerate and giving, and it's ok to let your weaknesses show when it's just the two of us even if you won't let anyone else see.

Guys seem to think that they either have to be macho he-men all the time or be complete pansies who do nothing but cry, mope, and brood over everything. When really most women want what's in the middle. A guy who can be tough when he needs to be but isn't afraid to be 'weak' around us sometimes too. It doesn't have to be all or nothing.

And just for the record, if a guy is wearing more makeup than I am then somethings just not right. I don't mind if my hubby is better dressed than me, the man has good taste in clothes. But I just have to draw the line at the guy-liner, foundation, etc. Thankfully I don't have to worry about that with him, but some guys go all out with the makeup and it's.. just not right. There, I have a prejudice and I admit to it. I'm sure there are meetings I can go to somewhere to help me get past it.



I want to open a discussing about the points made above, in regards specifically to men being looked down upon as second class citizens, and being forced to change themselves in order to be successful in what I call today’s “Woman’s World”.


I don't really see that happening, at all. Women aren't forcing men to wear makeup, girls pants, and be emo all the time. Men are doing that to themselves. Women aren't forcing men to be second class citizens either. I honestly find that idea a bit absurd given that the majority of positions of power, whether it's in a private company or in government, are still held by men. How can men be second class citizens when they're the ones running everything?

As for the feminist movement, feminists vary greatly in what the word 'feminism' means to them. Some see it as meaning that women should be higher than men on the totem pole. Some see it as meaning that women should be equal in all things no matter what. Some see it as meaning that women should be treated equally while recognizing the differences that naturally exist between the sexes due to what's in our genes. And so on, and so forth, ad infinitum.



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Here's a great article on feminism and how it has been used to alter the criminal justice system.


Feminist Gulag: No Prosecution Necessary

While America’s criminalization may have a number of contributing causes, it coincides precisely with the rise of organized feminism. “The women’s movement became a vanguard of conservative law-and-order politics,” Gottschalk writes. “Women’s organizations played a central role in the consolidation of this conservative victims’ rights movement that emerged in the 1970s.”

Gottschalk then twists her counterintuitive finding to condemn “conservatives” for the influx, portraying feminists as passive victims without responsibility. “Feminists prosecuting the war on rape and domestic violence” were somehow “captured and co-opted by the law-and-order agenda of politicians, state officials, and conservative groups.” Yet nothing indicates that feminists offered the slightest resistance to this political abduction.

Feminists, despite Gottschalk’s muted admission of guilt, did lead the charge toward wholesale incarceration. Feminist ideology has radicalized criminal justice and eroded centuries-old constitutional protections: New crimes have been created; old crimes have been redefined politically; the distinction between crime and private behavior has been erased; the presumption of innocence has been eliminated; false accusations go unpunished; patently innocent people are jailed without trial. “The new feminist jurisprudence hammers away at some of the most basic foundations of our criminal law system,” Michael Weiss and Cathy Young write in a Cato Institute paper. “Chief among them is the presumption that the accused is innocent until proven guilty.”

Rape laws
Aggressive feminist lobbying in the legislatures and courts since the 1970s redefined rape to make it indistinguishable from consensual sex. Over time, a woman no longer had to prove that she was forced to have non-consensual sex, but a man had to prove that sex was consensual (or prove that no sex had, in fact, happened). Non-consent was gradually eliminated as a definition, and consent became simply a mitigating factor for the defense. By 1989, the Washington State Supreme Court openly shifted the burden of proving consent to the defendant when it argued that the removal of legislative language requiring non-consent for rape “evidences legislative intent to shift the burden of proof on the issue to the defense” and approved this blatantly unconstitutional presumption of guilt.

Domestic violence
“Domestic violence” is an even more purely political crime. “The battered-women’s movement turned out to be even more vulnerable to being co-opted by the state and conservative penal forces,” writes Gottschalk, again with contortion. Domestic violence groups are uniformly feminist, not “conservative,” though here too conservatives have enabled feminists to exchange principles for power.

Like rape, domestic “violence” is defined so loosely that it need not be violent. The U.S. Justice Department definition includes “extreme jealousy and possessiveness” and “name calling and constant criticizing.” For such “crimes” men are jailed with no trial. In fact, the very category of “domestic” violence was developed largely to circumvent due process requirements of conventional assault statutes. A study published in Criminology and Public Policy found that no one accused of domestic violence could be found innocent, since every arrestee received punishment.

Child-support Chokehold
Equally feminist is the child-support machinery, whereby millions have their family finances plundered and their lives placed under penal supervision without having committed any legal infraction. Once they have nothing left to loot, they too are incarcerated without trial.

Contrary to government propaganda (and Common Law tradition), child support today has little to do with fathers abandoning their children, deserting their marriages, or even agreeing to a divorce. It is automatically assessed on all non-custodial parents, even those involuntarily divorced without grounds (“no-fault”). It is an entitlement for all divorcing mothers, regardless of their actions, and coerced from fathers, regardless of their fidelity. The “deadbeat dad” is far less likely to be a man who abandoned the offspring he callously sired than to be a loving father who has been, as attorney Jed Abraham writes in From Courtship to Courtroom, “forced to finance the filching of his own children.”

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