The Feminist Movement—Ruining The Image Of Men

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posted on Jun, 9 2010 @ 09:44 AM
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Ahh but that is the problem, there is no defined role for a most working women anymore, they have lost that nurturing quality that sets them apart from men.

And the kids of today suffer for their new roles.

Someone needs to raise, guide and nurture children, if both parents work then who is there for them?


The feminist movement has all, but gutted the institution of marriage/family also.



Originally posted by Sinter Klaas

IMHO, women should be treated equal. That does not change the fact they are different and have their own role in life. Why is it they want to live like a man.

Women belong with their family. Don't think I'm discriminating here.
I think they are the center from where everything else is build from.

How many families these days have mummy working all day or just part time ?
I think this can be related to the state of misery we now live in.
When you remove the source, the foundation of civilization at will fall apart.

Just my two cents..


[edit on 9-6-2010 by Realtruth]




posted on Jun, 9 2010 @ 09:48 AM
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Ladies and gentlemen, I find that if you treat a woman like a person...ya know, with respect, honor, dare I say...gentlemanly; you will have no problems. Be truthful, reliable, responsible...and a woman will admire you for it.

Despite the women's movement, most of the women I have met...and dated... and had relationships with..and even married...they all want a man... even a man's man.

I give my wife her space, and don't doubt any of her abilities. I offer to help and if she says no...ok, I go on with something else. If she needs me, she will let me know and I will graciously help...no gloating. Just a there ya go, baby...she says thanks and maybe a kiss on the cheek.

I like a woman that is not needy and is independent and keeps me on my toes. She can think for herself and ...wow, even have better ideas than me..and I thankfully accept them. She knows she is not only a wife, a lover, a friend, but an equal partner in our relationship.

It's that hard and that easy.

I will say this...no matter how independent and strong she may be... at some point, she is gonna need you and need you to be "the man" and you need to man up, too.

When I was dating, I treated all of the women as people and equals and never tried to make the first move or be over bearing. All, and I mean all, of the women I met and asked out and dated always said the same thing after the second date... "Gee, you really are a nice guy." They usually then gave me a "great" good night kiss.

All they wanted was someone to treat them like a person and consider their feelings and boundries... which by the fourth date, they "let down completely."


My advice to men, be yourself, be a man...a real man... and let her be who she is...and usually, you will find that she is a real woman.



posted on Jun, 9 2010 @ 09:50 AM
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Originally posted by tothetenthpower
It's just scary as hell to think that my own daughter would come to resent men based on some Feminist Teacher from the university.


She'll even out.
When a modern young woman learns about the history of male/female relationships, can you imagine the impact that might have? I remember when I first learned about how controlled and manipulated women were in the past. I spent some time hating men. But my lie experience evened me out.



posted on Jun, 9 2010 @ 09:50 AM
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Funny thing about the feminist movement...it has hurt both sexes in different ways.

It is now accepted by young girls that it is their "right" to have this "sexual freedom" that they hear feminists talk about. What does that translate into...little sluts who think it is their right to sleep around with people. Their thinking is that "if men can do it...so can we". And for some reason they think this is some sort of "victory" for women. Let me tell you women...if this is a victory for anyone...it is for MEN. Men have been trying to get women to have casual sex without commitment FOREVER...little did we know that feminists were going to do it for us.

Ironically...this has hurt some men. Because it comes down to expectations. Forever, it used to be that men slept around...and women would be hurt after they found out they were "used"...because they had real feelings for the guy. Well in some cases...that role has been flipped...we now see some men who get "hurt" because they find out the girl the "love" is really just exercising her "sexual freedom" and is just having fun sleeping around.

In both of the above cases...things can go very very bad. It used to be that the "wronged" women would still cling to the man...do anything for him just to get him to give her some attention. She will even forgive his cheating just so he won't leave her. This is the ugly case where they get married...she does everything for the man and he returns nothing. This is not a good situation. But NOW...we are seeing that same scenario happen with men. And this is where we see men who go to work, come home cook dinner, take care of the kids, do the housework, do the yard work, watch the kids on the weekends so the wife can go out and shop or go out with friends. It is basically a broken man.

Neither case is right...but this should not of been the "goal" of feminism. It should of been to remove the case of the women being a totally dependent slave...instead of "equalizing" it by creating situations where some men are also that dependent slave. They should of concentrated on having women gain more self-worth...not less by turning them into sluts and telling them there is nothing wrong with it.

The whole "sexual freedom" angle to me was a big mistake with the feminist revolution. Why would you want to teach young girls that "sex" is your right and that they shouldn't hold it sacred? Yeah....I may sound like a prude...but I'm really not. And maybe I'm a bit of a hypocrite because as a guy...I did plenty of playing around with multiple girls until I found my wife. And do you know what made my wife stand out and what made me respect her and fall in love with her??? She had enough respect for herself to tell me NO when she didn't want to go further intimately. Believe it or not women...for me at least...that was a HUGE factor in me staying with her. I have no respect for women who are easy and express their "sexual freedom"...doesn't mean I wouldn't take them up on that...just have no respect for them.

Call it a double standard if you want...but it is the truth.



posted on Jun, 9 2010 @ 09:52 AM
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How long have you been married?

And how many children do you have?



posted on Jun, 9 2010 @ 10:00 AM
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Originally posted by atlguy
BTW - here's a tip - your misogyny is showing whenever you refer to adult females as "girls".


[EDIT] This portion removed. Thought atlguy was referring to my post and he was not [/EDIT]


Originally posted by Merigold

And quit telling women what they crave. That goes for women too. Just because you may crave the tough guy doesn't mean the girl next to you won't go for the emo


I don't think you understand. For millenia of evolution we have evolved to "crave" the protector, the provider. This not something we choose. This is just something that is. Of course enviornment plays a role, and since the last few generations have been heavily influenced by media, it may seem like women are preferring less masculine men, but do not be fooled for biology is more powerful than enviornment.



I do understand. I major in psychology and know the genetics and evolutionary theories of the mind. That is exactly my point though. Biology, while powerful is not the sole factor in determing what you as a woman are attracted to. I maintain my stance. You nor I can determine what woman A and woman B is attracted to. The thing is I do agree that as a whole women are attracted to the protector but the definition of protector will never be the same for two women. Your idea of the protector may be the strong man who can save you in a fight. (please bear in mind I am not speaking for you, I am merely using the word ‘your’ as a general term for this discussion)

On the other hand Woman B’s idea of the protector might be financial protection. Woman C might see the protector as a man who is sensitive and will protect her feelings. The point is you as a woman know who you are. You know who your protector is but you cannot decide for Woman B or any of the others what their definition is. Neither can I. That is my point.

So no I don’t necessarily disagree with women craving the protector, it’s the very personal definition that each specific woman puts on the protector that changes IMO.

-Kyo


[edit on 9-6-2010 by KyoZero]



posted on Jun, 9 2010 @ 10:05 AM
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Ive been married twice...4 years first time...now happily married again, 10 years. I have 1 daughter now 21 and 3 step children.

Oddly enough, I raised my daughter and taught her to not be afraid and always do the best you can. she is a real go getter, and quite the lovely young woman.



posted on Jun, 9 2010 @ 10:09 AM
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I agree with much of what you are saying. The heart of this thread is really about identity.

Who are you? Who do you want to be?

Feminism has shaken up the identity game because to many people want society to tell them who they should be.

As silly as it sounds it is much harder to discover who you are when you can be all things but therein is the beauty of the scenario.

Are you the "manly" man, the protector, the provider? Well there is a partner out there who wants you for just who you are.

Are you the free spirit? the hippie? in touch with your inner feelings and let it show? Well there is a partner out there for you as well.

Feminism doesn't just set women free, it sets men free as well, now you can be yourself.

[edit on 9-6-2010 by Helmkat]



posted on Jun, 9 2010 @ 10:09 AM
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Originally posted by atlguy
I HAVE noticed a venomous and rapid increase in the portrayal of males as idiots, fools, and just general asses on television. Think about how many ads you see where the wife/girlfriend has to cover/clean-up/fix whatever her screwed up mess her male-counterpart has created. It's disturbing and a trend I really hope will pass.


I agree with your post. It's just that I want to remind you that there also exists the equal portrayal of stupid, airhead and bitchy women on TV. The reason I think men are noticing what you refer to, is that it didn't previously exist. Now, it does in equal measure.

Part of what men are noticing, I think, is that when one part of a duality changes, the other part is going to feel the effect. Women cannot change their role in the world without having ANY effect on the men in it. It's impossible that men will maintain their role of caretaker, provider, ruler and master while women take over part of that role. It just can't work.


Originally posted by SaturnFX
Women love men with conviction and strength (not to be confused with arrogance and dickishness).


The very FIRST thing that attracted me to my husband was his conviction. I heard him speak before I knew him (over the cubicle wall) and I was inexplicably attracted to him. It's in the genes.


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Oh, my God! I love your post! Every man should read it.
Several times. That's how our relationship is. Eighteen years married this month and more in love than ever.



posted on Jun, 9 2010 @ 10:11 AM
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Ruining the image of men!!!???? Give me a break. When have men ever had a good image? The guy that said 'Men are from Mars and women are from Venus' didn't get it quite right. It's more like 'women are totally crazy and men suffer from severe emotional problems'. Man is by far the stupidest creature that ever walked the face of the Earth. (Woman aint far behind.) And it shows, BIGTIME!!



posted on Jun, 9 2010 @ 10:11 AM
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Originally posted by KyoZero

whoa boy…I could absolutely embarrass myself. Let me preface this. If you are NOT referring to my post, please ignore this!


NOT referring to you - it was the OP:

Originally posted by tothetenthpower

So, people aren’t going to like me for this one, primarily the girls here on ATS, but ohh well it needs to be said.



posted on Jun, 9 2010 @ 10:11 AM
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I just want there to be 1 gender so i do not care for this, as its a means to an ends.



posted on Jun, 9 2010 @ 10:12 AM
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Originally posted by brilab45
The only thing that emasculates you is yourself.

Why can't there be women in charge? They have dreams and aspirations as well. Women do in fact have to work harder to overcome the male macho mindset. They are working against thousands of years of oppression.


I havent been around that long as goes for all men... this is the very "us VS them" attitude wich screws everything over..


One might call their female boss a bitch, but the fact is they have to be assertive to overcome prejudice.


Or so they think... in fact I feel that women in highranking places really feel this way wich in turn gives them the impression they have to be a bitch... cant say the same for the general male population in the places where women actually are able to achieve a highranking place. Its not without reason those women are even able to reach that level... the woman in this case is the one holding on to old-fashion thinking... PUNISH THE MEN!!


Most women today want to be treated like ladies and given that extra special attention due to their sexuality. Nothing wrong with that; that is the majority of female attitudes from my perspective.


Wrongly formulated... they want to be treated like BOTH male and female while at the same time using the powers that go with it... unless a male is willing to undergo a sexchange this CANNOT aply to men.


What we need to separate is the mindset and sexuality. If a women has mindset to be a CEO or Senator, Congresswomen or whatever......more power to her. If a women can lead more effectively than a male peer, more power to her again.


true... no need to be a b*tch then when a woman fullfills the role depicted...


Who cares about the body parts?! Well of course.....when it comes to sex, that's a different story.


Nope its not... These days in western civillication (at least in my country) a female has more power on the workfloor and at home... things have turned 180degrees...


When I started reading this thread I felt like the subject was a bit out there.. but as Ï read a few posts I felt a urge to respond...
5 years ago I got married. In the beginning I was the moneymaker at home and my wife didn't do a whole lot. grocerieshopping and taking care of the kids were pretty much 50/50 even though I worked about 50 to 60 hours a week. I was comfortable though and wasn't bothered... but about 2 years ago after ALOT of coaching my wife finally mustered the courage to get a job (I felt it would be healthy for her, at one side she'd see what it meant to be working and she'd be able to build up a social life and gain an overal feeling of satisfaction. on the other side I could work a little less and help out more at home) well things didn't turn out the way I had hoped... nowadays I CANT do enough at home. Sex is something I must earn and say thank you for. when I work a 60 hour week in 5 days and she works 12 hours in the weekend it will mean I have to pamper my wife for her hard work.. the old stereotypical picture of a father coming home after work, sitting down in HIS chair and having his newspaper and a (beverage of choice) handed to him has turned all the way around... the man doesn't work less but the respect for his effort has diminished GREATLY. as has his authority at home...
wach the average episode of wifeswap... In general the one wearing the trousers at home will be the wife....

hehehe... reading back I guess I really do feel a victim of feminism...

[edit on 9-6-2010 by faceoff85]



posted on Jun, 9 2010 @ 10:12 AM
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Janet Reno is hot... Mmmm, I love that haircut



posted on Jun, 9 2010 @ 10:20 AM
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Originally posted by atlguy
NOT referring to you - it was the OP:


Withdrawn - post edited to remove that portion

-Kyo


[edit on 9-6-2010 by KyoZero]



posted on Jun, 9 2010 @ 10:21 AM
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Feminism is destroying our society. And as Varg Vikernes so noticeably observed.

"All the smart women are chasing their fantasy careers being executives, going to University where they will eventually dominate Men who see no moral in their lives and either end up social segregates or suicidal rates. The stupid women stay at home and demoralise the society by bringing up evermore stupid uneducated kids who contribute nothing to society. Men have lost their ground to this Feminist joke."



posted on Jun, 9 2010 @ 10:45 AM
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Nice quote.

A lot of guys don't realize women can be as evil as men. It's the very "protector" identity that keeps them from noticing this. They feel women are the weaker species that must be protected, that can do no wrong unless forced to. This is a lie, I have been educated.

Example:

A friend of mine is at the airport sending his ex back to her native country because the relationship was hell and he couldn't take it anymore. He's a good guy.

They start arguing and he sends her bags flying, scattering all her clothes. Then, some self-righteous annointed bodyguard to all women gets offended and wants to start a fight. "You can't do that, she's just a women. How about you fight someone your own size," he says.

My friend retorts, "If you want to protect this [female dog] go ahead. I won't back down to you and I'm prepared to fight if it comes to that, but you have no clue who this women is or why we're fighting, she's practically ruined my life."

And there the guy stands after hearing this with his head steaming, really wanting a physical altercation, all for some women he doesn't even know!


And I must admit, I am the same way. You see a women in trouble and as a man you automatically want to be Lancelot and ride in on your white horse not knowing you may be risking yourself saving a monster.
Women can manipulate me in ways a guy never could. I love them and yet they are my Achilles Heel. Perhaps it was my upbringing being raised by a single mother who hates most all men. Whatever it is I am defenseless to the femenine entrapments and I don't think I'll ever get married or have kids.

[edit on 9-6-2010 by AProphet1233]



posted on Jun, 9 2010 @ 10:50 AM
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Originally posted by ROBL240
Feminism is destroying our society. And as Varg Vikernes so noticeably observed.

"All the smart women are chasing their fantasy careers being executives, going to University where they will eventually dominate Men who see no moral in their lives and either end up social segregates or suicidal rates. The stupid women stay at home and demoralise the society by bringing up evermore stupid uneducated kids who contribute nothing to society. Men have lost their ground to this Feminist joke."


Sorry, but this Varg Vikernes fellow seems to be quite stupid. The desire to chase a career doesn't come from intelligence. The two have nothing to do with each other. There are plenty of stupid women chasing careers and plenty of intelligent women staying home, raising children or not. He seems to confuse feminism with drive to succeed in as an executive. There are feminists in ALL walks of life.

If men, faced with the challenge of intelligent women, feel as though they lose something of themselves, they need to look at their own motivation and ideas of self-worth, as something is lacking. If a woman's success somehow impedes a man, it is HIS problem, not hers.

The only men who "lose their ground" to feminism are the ones who see it as an affront to who THEY are. Let me give you and this Varg Vikernes fellow a clue: Feminism isn't about men!



posted on Jun, 9 2010 @ 10:53 AM
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While I understand the issue and see it in many places, I am an immovable object. I have chosen a Stoic Christian life. As of such, I really feel no ill against me. This is because when good old manly testosterone filled rage is needed, it is shown. However, I usually speak softly and carry a big stick. (haha, immaturities aside) So usually I am respected for my calm stoic nature, but people know what happens when # hits the fan.

So really, I've not seen not been shown it directed to me. But maybe that's because I'm usually not very manly. When the brute is needed though, it is brought out of the mental cage.

And my knowledge of the law and articulation of it makes me immune to petty crap like that.

[edit on 9-6-2010 by Gorman91]



posted on Jun, 9 2010 @ 10:54 AM
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First of all, I am a man.

I really don't think the feminist movement is pushing men into a corner or inducing mass-slavery. All it's doing is making a few women who would be pissy little jerks 1000 years ago be openly-pissy little jerks in today's equal world.

And the generalization that men are all evil is really only prevalent in younger women. Adult women who talk about the "oppression" of women by men are simply trying to manipulate by guilt. And I tell you what, women in the workplace sure know how to do this. If they took a moment to look at the most successful women in any career, they'd note that they are women who've had children/families and treat their coworkers/subordinates with respect and compassion. The "career-driven psycho bitch" will never reach the top, because people don't like being pushed around... particularly not the people who are prejudiced against women in the workplace.

The women who are compassionate by nature rather than selfish or controlling will continue to be so regardless of cultural climate. This is also true of men. Even in ancient civilizations where women were commodities, there were men who cherished the women around them. Similarly (though to a far less extreme extent), there will be plenty of women these days who want to work together with their husbands/boyfriends to make a good life.

...And really, if you consider the worst men and women (i.e. the only ones affected by "new wave" feminism)... good riddance. Sex-crazed, violent men and overbearing, obnoxious, complaining women can go at it. Let 'em try to control each other. Just... somebody clean up the mess when they're done, please?

(One last note... psychology is a woman's field for various [hateful] reasons. Men who write books about women controlling men through sex are doing nothing but compensating for their sexual rages, psychological problems, and insufficient masculinity.)





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