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The Dishonesty & Danger Inherent In The seeingUFOsPA Hoax

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Ram

posted on Jul, 12 2010 @ 02:06 PM
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No - I have not been contacted by aliens from Orion..

I repeat - I don't care what people call these things..
How do they know if it is molecular - Or if it is plasma...Or what it is called? I don't know - My guess is - It is Human behaviour to name stuff..Even if it is unidentified...

I have no Idea...What such technology is...Or should be called...

What about The Molecular blurring splash sot-effect...


I like a serial number better...123-532-124 for the effect seen going in front of the lights..

Or "Invisible to human eye effect" ITHEE
Or "Invisible to human mind effect"ITHME
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and Maybee... The "hazing" you refer to - The little dots that show on screen when filming at night.. sigh* Is not the same thing..As in these videos..

Also known as "film grain"
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You guys just don't see it...




posted on Jul, 12 2010 @ 02:30 PM
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In photographic terms its actually called out of focus! I wish these IDIOTS would get themselves one of these

en.wikipedia.org...

Then it would be obvious even to them its AIRCRAFT


[edit on 12-7-2010 by wmd_2008]


Ram

posted on Jul, 12 2010 @ 03:07 PM
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Originally posted by wmd_2008


Then it would be obvious even to them its AIRCRAFT




Interesting way to put it.
So it is all aircraft's then...? and choppers?

What is the point in discussing this with you?
You Obviously can't see what is happening...

Those freaking light are not out of Focus...
And If you cannot see that - It's not my fault..



posted on Jul, 12 2010 @ 04:35 PM
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reply to post by Ram
 


The thing is like them YOU see what you WANT to see not WHAT is there



posted on Jul, 12 2010 @ 06:12 PM
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Ram…..



oh..hell..


Well, “hello” to you too!




I accidentally fell over some evidence


How did you ”accidentally fell over some evidence”?

What is the nature of ”some evidence” you ”accidentally fell over”?



that shows exactly the same kinda ...


Yes……..waiting…….



What shall we say...?


Yes…..waiting…..waiting…..



Molecular water plasma camouflage - potential water shield..


BAZINGA!!!!!

Uh…..hang on…..

What exactly did you just say?




As in the One she filmed..


Oh please no……

Don’t start supporting the dangerous & dishonest Kruse…..



The one with the Molecular water plasma camouflage - potential water shield thing..


What on Earth is a Molecular water plasma camouflage - potential water shield thing..”?

Kind regards
Maybe…maybe not


Ram

posted on Jul, 12 2010 @ 06:37 PM
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Molecular micro plastic plasma machine, from outer space..


- This video shows the same thing.



posted on Jul, 12 2010 @ 06:51 PM
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Ram, I am really surprised at you! First of all you can deffy see the Nav

lights...that is for starters.

Now I ask you, "What happens when you turn your camera

on light as the primary subject? I covered this on page 26.

Also, what do you know about LED lights? hmmm?

Orionflo? hahahaha pah-leeeze. That guy is a nutter! Even listening to this

guy gives me a headache! I think what you meant to say was not that you

stumbled on some evidence but rather you stumbled on complete and utter

poppycock!


All of Orionflo's videos are silly! Deffy out of focus and once again "light"

is the primary subject............It will only produce camera artifacts.



www.abovetopsecret.com...

[edit on 12-7-2010 by KIZZZY]



posted on Jul, 12 2010 @ 07:01 PM
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Ram.....

As per my question to you on the previous page, are you orionifo?

orionresearch.blogspot.com...

ufocontactfromganymede.blogspot.com...

www.blogger.com...

Kind regards
Maybe...maybe not


Ram

posted on Jul, 12 2010 @ 07:43 PM
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You guys are really trying hard - I know...
But The artefacts in these video's is not artefact's..

There is some thing going on there... They are too animated.
Yes I have seen some of he's other video's - They look like Planes..Just like the Alison Cruse video's..

So far - I now know - you people see something and you believe it is artefact's created by the camera...
And I don't agree....And that's it...

So far these artefact's only come from Video's inside the States..
The wobbling mystery,,..
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No, I am not Orion guy..



posted on Jul, 12 2010 @ 07:45 PM
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Once again....What happens when you direct your camera to a bright light

as subject?

Ram, it is not a matter of your agreement, however, if you want to believe

so badly, nothing anyone can say to you will change your mind, not even

simple logic or physics!

All this material was already covered!



[edit on 12-7-2010 by KIZZZY]



posted on Jul, 12 2010 @ 08:02 PM
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Originally posted by Ram

Molecular micro plastic plasma machine, from outer space..


- This video shows the same thing.


Is the molecular micro plastic plasma machine BEHIND the aircraft in the video? Or perhaps it is in the luggage compartment of the plane....err, "fake plane" ?


Ram

posted on Jul, 12 2010 @ 08:15 PM
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Originally posted by KIZZZY
reply to post by Ram
 


Once again....What happens when you direct your camera to a bright light

as subject?


Depends how bright the surroundings are compared to the "bright object"..

Or if it is digital or analogue..
Or if it is a camera, video-camera, or Digital camcorder...Or Digital camera..

I remember in old days - You had to adjust the light manually.. There was an indicator....Showing if it was to bright or to dark...
There was a line and a circle.. Tiny parts that had to be on top of each-other..

You had to manually turn the wheel..to adjust the amount of light..Allowed to enter the camera - depending what sort of ISO was in the camera...Also a thing you had to adjust manually...

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--O aligned
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When these where aligned - you could take a picture because now the hole where light came through was adjusted to the amount of light in-front of the camera...Just like the human eye..Expand in dark and subtract in light..

What ever...

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Today - these things are adjusted automatic... Most of the time.
What we see in these video's are not artefacts - Or light getting lost not knowing where to go - And it is not water on the lens... Neither the result of leaves on trees...

It is something really creepy looking... Wobbling stuff..around a flying machine of some weird design...

The weird thing is, these people who film these things - believe they are ALL UFO's.. Now why is that?

Who hell knows?
Could be the water...I mentioned it before...(teh drinking water that is)

[edit on 12-7-2010 by Ram]


Ram

posted on Jul, 12 2010 @ 08:17 PM
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Originally posted by gayron


Is the molecular micro plastic plasma machine BEHIND the aircraft in the video? Or perhaps it is in the luggage compartment of the plane....err, "fake plane" ?


It is so tiny you cannot see it..
And then it is invisible - sometimes...

Maybe sometimes these things turn into Santa during Christmas holidays..
I mean - So many people believe in Santa...Or am I wrong?

[edit on 12-7-2010 by Ram]



posted on Jul, 13 2010 @ 03:09 AM
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I thought I would put this video up because it is fun to watch the dance of the

fire light and how it plays on the camera lens. (also the girl dancing)




Lens flare is the light scattered in lens systems through generally unwanted

image formation mechanisms, such as internal reflection and scattering from

material inhomogeneities in the lens.



I have already addressed the optical illusions of lights of a plane facing the

camera and when it banks to the left or right you see the nav lights and

already provided a video for same.


Please take the time to research camera artifacts to comprehend what

you are looking at!

Stop rehashing the same old bulldinky.




LED lights and HID lights being used on aircraft.


www.xevision.com...





[edit on 13-7-2010 by KIZZZY]


Ram

posted on Jul, 13 2010 @ 06:46 AM
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(above) Here is a few frames - I have used the red arrows to point out the Splat-dots..
Still not sure if you can see it...

They seems to have structure - But still they have an animated structure, that I call wobbling..

I don't know if it is plasma, or any other kind of substance...

(above) Here I have zoomed in on the object in the frame. To show the splat-dot-wobbler's more clearly.. Still not sure if you can see it - I added red arrows near some of the more obvious parts of the splatters..
And made a blow-up-zoom-in version on the right side of the whole picture.

(above if screen is to small - you can right-click and - Show picture)This last one is 4 frames from left to right.
It consist of 3 rows going vertical from top to bottom.
In second row you have a row of light-grey frames - that I moved from the top row after painting the blue and red colour - the red colour representing the light source - And the blue colour representing the splat-dots wobbling around the light, or past it. To show you what I see as two different kind of materials - the light and the splat-dots.

Because it is animated, It cannot be a lens-flare.
What it is - I have no idea...And why - I have no idea...

I used the word "Molecular plasma" because it was the only word represented in the video...And that is what the witnesses say. However - After analysing the frames - I have come up with a more neutral expression of the Unknown stuff I see - and that is "splat-dots" or "animated-splat-dots"..

Being the only one on ATS able to see this - I think there is nothing we can do to help me. So, help me God..


[edit on 13-7-2010 by Ram]



posted on Jul, 13 2010 @ 06:54 AM
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RAM just totally PROVED these lights to be legitimate alien ships, and you debunkers are just grasping at straws now.

Disclosure has happened, and you skeptics just missed the bus!

I find it hard to believe that any of you are still even trying to defend the silly idea that these are not real UFOs guided by intelligent visitors.

CAN'T YOU SEE THE MICRO WATER SHIELDS!? THEY ARE RIGHT THERE!!!

I know you can.

Who is paying you to say you can't?



posted on Jul, 13 2010 @ 07:02 AM
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You got us!

Well done, you earned a T-shirt for being on the ball.




posted on Jul, 13 2010 @ 07:05 AM
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Ram... you need to get out more mate! Go grab an ice-cream cone with a girl or something... If I may say so... this rubbish your posting transcends any common sense or any conspiracy theory into plain foolishness. You honestly can't expect any intelligent, rational person to take you seriously. You can make all the excuses you want about us being blind... or not thinking outside the box but to be honest with you mate... your neck deep in some whacked out fantasy here. None of what you say is true. It's all BS... every last part!

Sorry to be so honest with you but I'm not going to humour you as some others have done. Just keeping it real mate!

IRM



posted on Jul, 13 2010 @ 07:06 AM
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Originally posted by Chadwickus
reply to post by Mr Mask
 


You got us!

Well done, you earned a T-shirt for being on the ball.





I would SO wear that shirt anywhere!

Anywhere but in a Star Trek episode, that is.

PS- I wonder if water shields make it rain in the area under the ship. If so, this can explain some of the chem-trail/tainted-rain threads!



posted on Jul, 13 2010 @ 07:10 AM
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Originally posted by InfaRedMan
reply to post by Ram
 

You honestly can't expect any intelligent, rational person to take you seriously.


But, as a lovely parting gift, you get one Mr Mask agreeing with you in his fine new shirt won here on ATS!



Who needs intelligent, rational people when you can have a fashionable yes-man like me!!?






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