Origins of the illuminati

Originally posted by Serizawa


Officially the Knights Templar was created after the recovery of Jerusalem from the Moslems after the first Christian Crusade in 1099 AD. But in truth the Knights existed from the first Century AD to defend the faithful and the Pope. Although not called Templars until 1099 AD, they existed to smuggle the saints and the most important relics of the Church out of the Holy Land and into Europe from just before the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD until 1099 AD.

Your story seems to be make-believe, not based upon any historical facts. The truth of the matter is that the Templars were founded in 1118 A.D. by the Patriarch of Jerusalem for the purpose of escorting Christian pilgrims to and fro the city.

History of Knights Templar

reply to post by Masonic Light


1717 was the year Freemasonry members created A FORMAL ORGANIZATION in England when the first Grand Lodge was formed. Could it have been operating under a different name before the stated date? Yes? maybe No?

Early in the 7th century Muslim armies had conquered much of the southern Mediterranean posing a threat to western Christendom. This is where the Knights orginiated from.

Originally posted by Serizawa


1717 was the year Freemasonry members created A FORMAL ORGANIZATION in England when the first Grand Lodge was formed. Could it have been operating under a different name before the stated date? Yes? maybe No?

It has operated under the name of Freemasonry from time immemorial. While the first Grand Lodge was founded in 1717, independent Lodges had existed throughout the British Isles long before. As previously mentioned, the Regius Manuscript describes Masonic gatherings in the 10th century.

Early in the 7th century Muslim armies had conquered much of the southern Mediterranean posing a threat to western Christendom. This is where the Knights orginiated from.

The Moors had conquered Spain, which had nothing to do with the Knights Templar, who were French.

reply to post by Resentedhalo08


Ah, yes. The origins of the Illuminati is not the question.
If you want to know where they are today & how far their tentacles reach.
Watch this video:
www.youtube.com...

Where they are NOW is how to fight their NWO.

reply to post by Afterthought


I just watched it.

I want the last 8 minutes of my life back.

Originally posted by Masonic Light
reply to post by Afterthought

 

I just watched it.

I want the last 8 minutes of my life back.

Sigh ... did I twist your arm?
We all make choices & time is just an illusion.

Originally posted by Afterthought


Sigh ... did I twist your arm?

No. I just wasted my time in watching it. It was nothing more than some guy listing a bunch of organizations that he doesn't like, and it took him 8 minutes to get through with it.

I wonder if, for some posters in this thread, there is actually a distinction between genuine history and make believe...

It seems not. But then even serious pseudohistorians can't seem to tell the difference at crucial times:

Da Vinci trial pits history against art.

Nothing less than the future of Western literature is at stake in the High Court tomorrow. Or so the publisher of The Da Vinci Code, the money-spinning blockbuster by Dan Brown, is expected to argue in a ground-breaking trial.

Brown, whose tale of clerical conspiracy and murder has become the bestselling hardback adult novel of all time, is accused of plundering his plot from a non-fiction work called The Holy Blood and the Holy Grail

Historians Michael Baigent and Richard Leigh, who co-wrote the book with Henry Lincoln, claim that Brown plagiarised 'the whole jigsaw puzzle' of their decade's worth of research - that Jesus married Mary Magdalene and had a child, founding a bloodline that was protected by the Knights Templar.

In a further twist, Baigent and Leigh's book is also owned by Random House and has sold more than two million copies, enjoying a surge since a revised illustrated edition was republished last September. Some observers suspect a publicity stunt, but Joel Rickett, deputy editor of the Bookseller, said this was unlikely: 'From the outside it looks like a long shot, but to get to this stage I'd guess they must have spent hundreds of thousands of pounds and got top legal brains to study it. They must really believe they've got a case.

'In a sense they're admitting their work has elements of fiction to it. If it was pure history, how could they copyright history? When historians discover something they can't copyright it.'

reply to post by Extant Taxon


There is more like that as the Sinclairs are said to be fantasizing
about their Jesus blood line.
Hitler needed the Centurion spear at Nuremberg and look where it got him.
Good thing he didn't go to Scotland and capture the Holy Grail
or one of the Sinclairs for good luck.
There is a Hitler relative in the British isles that has a web page at
one time an might still be around.

reply to post by TeslaandLyne


Capture a Sinclair for good luck? Rather him than me! I have heard the Sinclair temperament has always been a tad dyspeptic.
It would have been a far safer to have actually gone for the Spear of Destiny. Which is yet more pseudohistory, if I remember correctly.

reply to post by Extant Taxon


I figured you might know of these legends and tales.
Quite interesting.

As far as I know, so I may be wrong, on 1May 1776 Adam Weishaupt founded the Illuminati, for reasons unknown to me.

The Illuminati was founded in Babylon, witch is on the 33d degree of the earth, therefor the 33d degree masons. When the goverments found out about the Illuminati, the Illuminati went underground as the Freemasons.

Freemasons start at 0 degree, and work there way up on the ranking list.
As soon as you get to your 17th degree, you will get a Password (I may not give the password on this website not give the purpose of the password). When a freemason gets to the 33th degree, thay may have the option of staying a mason or to be retrenched to the Illuminati

(remember this may be fact or false, please corect me if I am wrong)

I have since long time stopped to look all this crappy videos. it seems to me that people see now enemies just anywhere.

The fact that powerful people make part of freemasonry has nothing to do with freemasonry being involved in any conspiracy.

The goal of freemasonry is a noble cause but this will not be a reason for some to miss-use it for business and power reasons.

The Masonry is divided in different very distinct ideologies. On e one side, mainly in Europe, there is the Grand Orient, a pure left oriented freemasonry. The Illuminati of Weisshaupt melted down in that Lodge and the Master of the Grand Orient of Brussels wrote the manifest of communism that Marx, Trotzki and Lenin used to build communism in Russia.

But, here again the freemasonry was miss-used for personal interests since mainly big bankers like the Rothschild and Rockefellers where those that invested there money in those ideologies for their own profit.

The right winged Scottish and York Rite as well as British Royal Arch serve mainly american and anglo saxon interests while the right extreme wing is in the hands of sionist Bnai Brith with most popular member Henry Kissinger.

Now, there is a speculation about the Palladium freemasonry, those that pull the strings and manage the game worldwide, what people tend to name the Illuminati.

But, in all this we forget that money goes to money, money corrupts and more money corrupts more. Does anyone really believes that those people need freemasonry to meet in secret places and forge an agenda for the world, world of business, world of management of resources and population.

I think much more that here the name of secret societies is miss-used again and the fact that many of the rich bankers and string pullers are freemasons is what gives masons the name.

Even without freemasonry the game would certainly not be different.
One of the largest mafias in this world is the Vatican, the ring of magicians that sits on one of the seven hills. (Vatic anus means ring of prophets in latin).

It is simple to bring freemasonry in just anything what doesn't fits in people's concept. During they do this they step away from the real problems. All this is part of the game and you need some food for just anyone. If that wasn't the case we would live a boring life.

Imagine that all that Lennon relates in his song Imagine became true, how boring our world would be. No religions, no wars and nothing to fight and kill for, what a nightmare. But, I could live with it ...

Originally posted by OperationBlackRose
As far as I know, so I may be wrong, on 1May 1776 Adam Weishaupt founded the Illuminati, for reasons unknown to me.

The Illuminati was founded in Babylon, witch is on the 33d degree of the earth, therefor the 33d degree masons. When the goverments found out about the Illuminati, the Illuminati went underground as the Freemasons.

Freemasons start at 0 degree, and work there way up on the ranking list.
As soon as you get to your 17th degree, you will get a Password (I may not give the password on this website not give the purpose of the password). When a freemason gets to the 33th degree, thay may have the option of staying a mason or to be retrenched to the Illuminati

(remember this may be fact or false, please corect me if I am wrong)

You really put a whole lot of crap into the world here my friend, desperately you need to get some information first and never more then here I would like to pray to our Lord and say, "help him to keep his big mouth shout until he knows what he talks about.

There are so many things in relation with the 33 degrees that people say and that is pure imagination.

The tree of life of the Kabbalah is made of ten sephirot and those sephirot are connected by a path, 22 in number. Each of those path corresponds to one letter of the jewish alphabet and one card of the great arcana of the Tarot card set. Together with the 10 sephirot and the hidden Sephira of enlightenment or Daath (supreme wisdom) it makes 33 path together. When you know that the whole tree of life is your body that is depicted there and your body has a spinal cord made of 33 links you know what's about with that 33 degrees. You can find this also in the bible related to the 33 years of the life of the christ.

The jewish alphabet is divided in 3 sets of letters, 3 main or mother which represent air (aleph), Fire (shin) and water (mem). Then there are 7 doubles which are the 7 planets and 12 singles which are the 12 signs of the zodiac. Also, every letter has a symbolic value and a material value and those names you find them too on the path.

So you see that those 33 degrees are pure symbolism and mark the evolution of the mason during his learning phase. You can not learn the whole wisdom in a few weeks. It would be nice if you could. Note that the 3 lower sephira of the tree are Malkuth, the Kingdom or earth, then comes Yesod, the moon and Tipharet, the sun. Those are the 3 planets you can see clear an bright with the earth on which you stand and are your foundation. Those 3 sephirot are the basic steps, apprentice, advanced and master or the 3 elements of our kingdom, water, air and fire.

So, hope this helps you to avoid planting salad here in the future.
And, let me tell you that in freemasonry there is no such thing as Illuminati. Top of enlightenment is reached when you become the master of secrets, the 33d. If you wana know more, join the masons and stop spreading pots of bad smelling stuff around you.



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like i said, i dont know if that is fact. And yes I do not know alot about the freemasons.

But I have been researching the Illuminati for some years now.

I am sory if I was wrong about what i said about the freemasons.

Originally posted by Resentedhalo08
Illuminatus - the enlightened ones is what they called themselves in Latin, otherwise known as the Bavarian Illuminati... it is argued when they where formed, many would like to say that Adam Weishaupt formed the secret society in 1776, but I tend to think that their origins go much further back, to the time of the crusades in the east. It is true that Adam Weishaupt was the founder of modern speculative freemasonry, please don't confuse that with other forms of freemasonry that were prevelent at the same time, but to credit him with the foundation of the illuminati is nothing more than a lie and a deception on their part, to decieve those who wander into this area of research.

I have done a great deal of research over the past few years and I would like to pose an argument on their actual origins, who they were and what they stood for.

I would agree with you, having researched this myself for years. The Templars found something of great importance beneath the Stables of Solomon, something that not only made them rich, but made the Holy Church tremble in fear for years. I highly suspect what they found was proof of a bloodline that included Christ, and his marriage to Magdalene, and their children. If the Templars had proof that Christ was just a man, and not Divine as the Church would have us believe, that in itself would be enough for the Church, through the Monarchy, to eliminate the Templars.

On another note concerning the Templars, I strongly believe that the Shroud of Turin has the image of Jacques DeMolay, Grand Master of the Templars....

Some Say the Image on the Shroud of Turin is Jacques deMolay

Jacques DeMolay

The Templars and Mary Magdalene

Proof of such a bloodline, most likely still alive today and still in power, certainly bespeaks keeping the secret. The Church would go to any length to keep the populace from knowing they lied. I believe that one day the secret of the Templars will be known, and we will see the Holy Roman Church crumble.

Only one thing I can say. A formar illuminait member once told my friend and me, How do you keep a secret societie's secrets a secret, Put it one the world wide web, then no one would believe it is the truth.

But I dont just get my information about the Illuminati on the internet, I spear to formar members, get information from people who know members and formar members, I go out and ask for my self, with surveillance and inside people, so you can call me what you want.

I do have a few secrets in handwriten documents

reply to post by Resentedhalo08
Take a closer look at Nimrod and his teachings,myself personaly i do not know.but a friend of mine said he looked into it and it all goes back to him.

reply to post by OperationBlackRose


did you ever ask these "former members" why they left? Dental plan sucked eh? How many "inside people" do you have on staff? And the most important question of all................(Que scary music).......where does the Illuminati meet? If they have not changed their mantra since the Bavarian days of inception, I should like to join them. (assuming they are't just some fantasy in the heads of paranoid basement dwellers)

well just watch the link freemasonry on my signature...i put ait all together and i made the site...some is some is not...but it does give good historical facts from a wide constiuate of sources and not just one view.

also the controls are to the upper right of the arch....

vid 2 and vid 4 show white screen skip those it is an error i have to fix.

if you want written sources i will give you a very long list of reading materials i have on the particular subject

Enlightenment come to those whom seek the answers

also this has some interesting stuff in it...but remember it is by Islamist on the Da Jaal but lots of interesting information.

this is another set of thirty vids i put together in one place ...

but never ever let the religious aspect sway judgement...when i put thing together it is from many points of religious,documentary and personal reading

there is loads of info out there but the descerning eye is the one whom can grasp

Da-Jaal

the site is very high res...magnify your browser if you want

also on top of the screen is a scoll bar and listing of the vids
very tiny writing

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