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“COREXIT” Dispersants “ALERT”

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posted on May, 28 2010 @ 04:06 AM
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This is like watching a slow motion disaster.




posted on May, 28 2010 @ 04:09 AM
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Population reduction v3.0?



posted on May, 28 2010 @ 05:14 AM
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Quick questions: does corexit dissipate within 28 days even at such large quantities into harmless byproducts? is 2-butoxyethanol part of corexit and does it disperse within 2 days? If that is true could the exposure be avoided if one stays indoors for that time after corexit stops being used?

It is becoming really hard to live healthy and continue that battle on so many fronts all at once (radiation, toxins in plastics and food, fluoride, vaccination, pollutants in food and air, household cleaning products, and so on). I'm sure a lot of us here want to be parents of healthy children. Lately the threat of teratogens if not direct assault on the endocrine and nervous system of people is becoming more clear and in the open. Could this be the latest threat? If so, what can we do to protect ourselves from something like this? (I will research more when time permits.)

edit to add: just realized butoxyethanol was mentioned in the first word of the OP quote which answers one question.

[edit on 28-5-2010 by pilotx]



posted on May, 28 2010 @ 05:31 AM
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I'm doing some research.

Here is the official page for COREXIT

Here is the video displayed on the page:



I'll post anything else I find.

---------- Add:

NALCO MATERIAL SAFETY SHEET

(I've modified some texts for easier identification of information)


HEALTH : 1 / 1 FLAMMABILITY : 2 / 2 INSTABILITY : 0 / 0 OTHER :

0 =Insignificant 1 = Slight 2 = Moderate 3 = High 4 = Extreme



Hazardous Substance(s) ----- CAS NO % ----- (w/w)
Hydrotreated Light Distillate ----- 64742-47-8 ----- 60.0 - 100.0



WARNING
Combustible. May cause irritation with prolonged contact. Keep away from heat. Keep away from sources of ignition - No smoking. Keep container tightly closed. Do not get in eyes, on skin, on clothing. Avoid breathing vapor. Use with adequate ventilation. Do not take internally. In case of contact with eyes, rinse immediately with plenty of water and seek medical advice. After contact with skin, wash immediately with plenty of soap and water. Wear suitable protective clothing, gloves and eye/face protection. Combustible Liquid; may form combustible mixtures at or above the flash point. Empty product containers may contain product residue. Do not pressurize, cut, heat, weld, or expose containers to flame or other sources of ignition. May evolve oxides of carbon (COx) under fire conditions. May evolve oxides of sulfur (SOx) under fire conditions.



PRIMARY ROUTES OF EXPOSURE :
Eye, Skin, Inhalation

HUMAN HEALTH HAZARDS - ACUTE :

EYE CONTACT : Can cause mild, short-lasting irritation.

SKIN CONTACT :
May cause irritation with prolonged contact.

INGESTION :
Not a likely route of exposure. May cause nausea and vomiting. Can cause chemical pneumonia if aspirated into
lungs following ingestion. Can cause central nervous system depression.

INHALATION :
Repeated or prolonged exposure may irritate the respiratory tract.

SYMPTOMS OF EXPOSURE :
Acute :
Inhalation of high concentrations of organic solvents can cause nausea, dizziness, vomiting, stupor or
unconsciousness.
Chronic :
Frequent or prolonged contact with product may defat and dry the skin, leading to discomfort and dermatitis.
AGGRAVATION OF EXISTING CONDITIONS :
Skin contact may aggravate an existing dermatitis condition.



CARCINOGENICITY :
None of the substances in this product are listed as carcinogens by the International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC), the National Toxicology Program (NTP) or the American Conference of Governmental Industrial Hygienists (ACGIH).

HUMAN HAZARD CHARACTERIZATION :
Based on our hazard characterization, the potential human hazard is: Moderate




ECOTOXICOLOGICAL EFFECTS :
No toxicity studies have been conducted on this product.

ENVIRONMENTAL HAZARD AND EXPOSURE CHARACTERIZATION Based on our hazard characterization, the potential environmental hazard is: Low



n Immediate (Acute) Health Hazard
n Delayed (Chronic) Health Hazard
Y Fire Hazard - Sudden Release of Pressure Hazard
n Reactive Hazard


Doesn't sound much more dangerous than my bottle of Windex, then again this stuff is being used in MASSIVE quanities so the risks are multiplied. I'm no expert, only trying to share information I'm finding.

I'll see if I can find any non NALCO affiliated information.

[edit on 28-5-2010 by Scarcer]



posted on May, 28 2010 @ 05:35 AM
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These chemical dispersant's are why the oil is mixing with the water and not floating on the surface.

This hides the amount of the leak but also makes it imposable to clean up.

The dispersed oil after the dispersant's are used go under the oil booms and is spread.
They also limit the evaporation of the lighter parts of the oil.
The oil dispersant's are causing the deep oil plumes.

(quote)The dispersants, which work much like detergent on greasy dishes, are being used in amounts that may exceed anything ever tried. They break up the oil slick floating on top of the water and spread it in tiny droplets that mix deep down into the water, preventing it from reaching shore.
www.miamiherald.com...

www.sfgate.com...?blogid=150&entry_id=64308
www.protecttheocean.com...



posted on May, 28 2010 @ 05:42 AM
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Our capacity to care and assist is so grand but let's not do so at the expense of our health.

Remember well the plight of the 9/11 first responders. With their big hearts they came to help. They were told by members of our government that the air was safe. They were lied to. Some have taken ill, others have died. We know this plot line all to well, let's not lift the script and reapply it to this new situation.

Be careful out there folks, it's coming at us from all possible angles.



posted on May, 28 2010 @ 06:01 AM
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Now remember not to take everyone's word for it. There is always two sides to every story.

SOURCE


Last Monday, Dr. Richard Denison, one of the Environmental Defense Fund’s senior scientists, blogged about a set of dispersants that gave him cause for concern. BP, which had leased Deepwater Horizon before it exploded on April 20, selected two controversial chemicals to clean up the Gulf oil spill. He noted that the two dispersants, COREXIT® EC9500A and COREXIT® EC9527A, scored worse on fish and shrimp toxicity than many of their competitors in EPA tests. To make matters worse, the chemicals, manufactured by a firm with close ties to BP, were being used in lieu of safer and more effective alternatives on the market.


EDIT, I found this picture on the same page.



That above quote seams slightly exaggerated now...


[edit on 28-5-2010 by Scarcer]

I think rather than arguing that COREXIT is bad ALONE, we should evaluate the matter based on is the dispersing method more affective in minimizing damage?

What are the risks of Dispersing and using COREXIT Vs Leaving the oil as slicks.

I really have no idea what I'm talking about but this is just my thoughts.

DISPERSING
Dilutes and spreads the oil underneath the surface for apparently quicker biological break down by organisms.

COREXIT possible having some toxicity risks.

OIL SLICK
Evaporation
Possibly take longer to bio-degrade.
Higher Concentrations ??? Depending on argument / Less Area


.... Any other alternatives for a quick cleanup


[edit on 28-5-2010 by Scarcer]



posted on May, 28 2010 @ 06:29 AM
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Oil Slick Clean-Up Sparks Fresh Health Fears

"A group of clean-up workers using chemical dispersants to break down the oil in the water have had to be airlifted for treatment after becoming sick at sea.

Because of this, all 125 commercial fishing boats helping to mop up the oil have been recalled.

People in the region fear the workers could have been affected by the chemical Corexit, which is being used to help the oil dissolve faster."


NEWS ARTICLE

[edit on 28-5-2010 by Did you see them]



posted on May, 28 2010 @ 07:21 AM
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This is what happens when you leave a "legal fiction" in charge of making important decisions,they are not accountable,they are artificial,the law that applies to you and me does not apply to them.

The law does not apply to a manufactured,concocted,imaginary legal entity.....

...A Corporation...everything is "incorporated",even the guy you hire out to mow your lawn probably,the town you live in is probably "incorporated".

This is only to relieve themselves of liability for mistakes made along the way in their never ending pursuit of the almighty dollar.

See what happens when you leave something up to someone/something, who/that doesn't really exist?,like governments and corporations?..



Cool!.



posted on May, 28 2010 @ 07:23 AM
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I don't suppose it ever occurred to them that common,non-toxic dishwashing detergent cuts through oil pretty well.

Of course not!.

Pretty stupid,like so stupid it seems to be almost intentionally done.



posted on May, 28 2010 @ 07:27 AM
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Why didn't you take a picture. You can either believe what I am going to tell you or not. Its not particularly earth shattering but you might want to file it away for later use.

Just letting my gulf coast buddies know that I just passed a civilian tractor trailer on the freeway I-10 carrying a woodland camoflage humvee (heavy, equipment configuration), a large Chemical canister( at least as large as the humvee itself) two more smaller chemical canisters connected by tubing -The large canister had the marking of (FT-10)

If that is in fact what was in that canister then it is a substance used for qualitative testing of breathing apparatus. Given the humvee I am guessing that the national guard are about to start using breathing apparatus while responding to the oil gusher.

No big surprise but consider what is so volatile out there that boat captains and crews are getting sick and NG is likely to start utilizing SCBA.

Yes I should have taken a picture.

FT-10
multimedia.3m.com...

The vehicle was heading towards Baton Rouge on I-10

[edit on 28-5-2010 by WWJFKD]



posted on May, 28 2010 @ 08:16 AM
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Thats it? Freeeeeeking fear mongers!

That almost looks like what you might read on the bottle of houshold bleach.

I'm tiring really quick on all this doom and gloom over this oil accident. Can we get back to the fun stuff like Aliens and UFO's and Area 51? At least most of us have the good sense to ignore the 911 truthers. But of the 4 ATS headlines 3 are Oil related Arghhhhhhh!

Have a nice Memorial day everyone and remember from Valley Forge to Falujah men and women have paid the price for our right to bloviate here.

Peace!



posted on May, 28 2010 @ 08:18 AM
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Digged the OP..... Hope this goes viral... Its very important..... Damned NWO!!



posted on May, 28 2010 @ 08:22 AM
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do you think the dispersants can travel as far as the Houston area?
I myself have unexplained vomiting for weeks now and my son has been having unexplained swollen eye problems.

Brian



posted on May, 28 2010 @ 08:23 AM
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Well, bleach is a pretty dangerous and toxic household chemical, so it is a pretty big deal. Would it be safe for me to assume you do not live on the Gulf Coast? Would it also be safe for me to assume you do not have relatives that live on the Gulf Coast?

There are plenty of theoretical aliens and UFO's still alive and well on this board... I'm sure you can scroll down through the legitimately relevant oil threads to still read them.

Not trying to be rude in return to your comment, just expressing my opinion on what you said.



posted on May, 28 2010 @ 08:53 AM
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Sorry MOB, Didnt mean to seem overly flipant about the obvious environmental horor that is this catastrophy. But the rhetoric is on overload. I think about half of the information on theses threads have any credence whatsoever. But even half is something to worry about.

I do not live on the gulf coast. But I have lived there before. Around Gulfport Mississippi. I have relatives (Aunts and Uncles, Cousins) around Mobile Alabama and Pensacola Fl.

And Yes Bleach (Sodium hypochlorite) is bad stuff. Highly coorosive and very toxic...And yet we swim in it, sanitize with it and brighten our clothes with it.

Mix Bleach and Amonia and you too will probably need to be transported to a Hospital, after vomiting and experiencing a sleu of other symptoms. But it will disipate and it will degrade.

It's not that this isn't serious....It just that it's serious enough without all the hype.

And thank you for responding...It's why we are all here....To interact.

Peace



posted on May, 28 2010 @ 09:09 AM
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Then you did not watch the News Broadcast above; you might want to watch the program.

Respectfully

MolecularPHD



posted on May, 28 2010 @ 09:13 AM
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Aother article on toxicity of dispersants

www.infowars.com...


problem-reaction-solution.

repeating again again and again



posted on May, 28 2010 @ 09:22 AM
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reply to post by William Marshal
 



Material Safety Data Sheet
Sulfanilic acid MSDS
Section 1: Chemical Product and Company Identification
Product Name: Sulfanilic acid
Catalog Codes: SLS1108
CAS#: 121-57-3
RTECS: WP3895500
TSCA: TSCA 8(b) inventory: Sulfanilic acid
CI#: Not available.
Synonym: 4-Aminobenzenesulfonic acid
Chemical Formula: C6H7NO3S
Contact Information:
Sciencelab.com, Inc.
14025 Smith Rd.
Houston, Texas 77396
US Sales: 1-800-901-7247
International Sales: 1-281-441-4400
Order Online: ScienceLab.com
CHEMTREC (24HR Emergency Telephone), call:
1-800-424-9300
International CHEMTREC, call: 1-703-527-3887
For non-emergency assistance, call: 1-281-441-4400
Section 2: Composition and Information on Ingredients
Composition:
Name CAS # % by Weight
Sulfanilic acid 121-57-3 100
Toxicological Data on Ingredients: Sulfanilic acid: ORAL (LD50): Acute: 12300 mg/kg [Rat].
Section 3: Hazards Identification
Potential Acute Health Effects:
Very hazardous in case of ingestion. Hazardous in case of skin contact (irritant), of eye contact (irritant), of
inhalation.
Potential Chronic Health Effects:
Very hazardous in case of ingestion.
Hazardous in case of skin contact (irritant), of eye contact (irritant), of inhalation.
CARCINOGENIC EFFECTS: Not available.
MUTAGENIC EFFECTS: Not available.
TERATOGENIC EFFECTS: Not available.
DEVELOPMENTAL TOXICITY: Not available.
The substance is toxic to blood, the nervous system, liver.
Repeated or prolonged exposure to the substance can produce target organs damage.
Section 4: First Aid Measures
p. 1
Eye Contact:
Check for and remove any contact lenses. Immediately flush eyes with running water for at least 15 minutes,
keeping eyelids open. Cold water may be used. Do not use an eye ointment. Seek medical attention.
Skin Contact:
After contact with skin, wash immediately with plenty of water. Gently and thoroughly wash the contaminated skin
with running water and non-abrasive soap. Be particularly careful to clean folds, crevices, creases and groin.
Cold water may be used. Cover the irritated skin with an emollient. If irritation persists, seek medical attention.
Wash contaminated clothing before reusing.
Serious Skin Contact:
Wash with a disinfectant soap and cover the contaminated skin with an anti-bacterial cream. Seek medical
attention.
Inhalation: Allow the victim to rest in a well ventilated area. Seek immediate medical attention.
Serious Inhalation: Not available.
Ingestion:
Do not induce vomiting. Loosen tight clothing such as a collar, tie, belt or waistband. If the victim is not
breathing, perform mouth-to-mouth resuscitation. Seek immediate medical attention.
Serious Ingestion: Not available.
Section 5: Fire and Explosion Data
Flammability of the Product: May be combustible at high temperature.
Auto-Ignition Temperature: Not available.
Flash Points: Not available.
Flammable Limits: Not available.
Products of Combustion: These products are carbon oxides (CO, CO2), nitrogen oxides (NO, NO2...).
Fire Hazards in Presence of Various Substances: Not available.
Explosion Hazards in Presence of Various Substances:
Risks of explosion of the product in presence of mechanical impact: Not available.
Risks of explosion of the product in presence of static discharge: Not available.
Fire Fighting Media and Instructions:
SMALL FIRE: Use DRY chemical powder.
LARGE FIRE: Use water spray, fog or foam. Do not use water jet.
Special Remarks on Fire Hazards: Not available.
Special Remarks on Explosion Hazards: Not available.
Section 6: Accidental Release Measures
Small Spill:
Use appropriate tools to put the spilled solid in a convenient waste disposal container. Finish cleaning by
spreading water on the contaminated surface and dispose of according to local and regional authority
requirements.
Large Spill:
Use a shovel to put the material into a convenient waste disposal container. Finish cleaning by spreading water
p. 2
on the contaminated surface and allow to evacuate through the sanitary system.
Section 7: Handling and Storage
Precautions:
Keep away from heat. Keep away from sources of ignition. Empty containers pose a fire risk, evaporate the
residue under a fume hood. Ground all equipment containing material. Do not ingest. Do not breathe dust.
Wear suitable protective clothing In case of insufficient ventilation, wear suitable respiratory equipment If
ingested, seek medical advice immediately and show the container or the label. Avoid contact with skin and eyes
Storage:
Keep container dry. Keep in a cool place. Ground all equipment containing material. Keep container tightly
closed. Keep in a cool, well-ventilated place. Combustible materials should be stored away from extreme heat
and away from strong oxidizing agents.
Section 8: Exposure Controls/Personal Protection
Engineering Controls:
Use process enclosures, local exhaust ventilation, or other engineering controls to keep airborne levels below
recommended exposure limits. If user operations generate dust, fume or mist, use ventilation to keep exposure to
airborne contaminants below the exposure limit.
Personal Protection:
Splash goggles. Lab coat. Dust respirator. Be sure to use an approved/certified respirator or equivalent.
Gloves.
Personal Protection in Case of a Large Spill:
Splash goggles. Full suit. Dust respirator. Boots. Gloves. A self contained breathing apparatus should be used
to avoid inhalation of the product. Suggested protective clothing might not be sufficient; consult a specialist
BEFORE handling this product.
Exposure Limits: Not available.
Section 9: Physical and Chemical Properties
Physical state and appearance: Solid. (Crystalline solid.)
Odor: Not available.
Taste: Not available.
Molecular Weight: 173.19 g/mole
Color: Colorless.
pH (1% soln/water): Not available.
Boiling Point: Not available.
Melting Point: Decomposes. (288°C or 550.4°F)
Critical Temperature: Not available.
Specific Gravity: 1.485 (Water = 1)
Vapor Pressure: Not applicable.
Vapor Density: Not available.
p. 3
Volatility: Not available.
Odor Threshold: Not available.
Water/Oil Dist. Coeff.: Not available.
Ionicity (in Water): Not available.
Dispersion Properties: See solubility in water.
Solubility:
Partially soluble in cold water.
Insoluble in methanol, diethyl ether.
Section 10: Stability and Reactivity Data
Stability: The product is stable.
Instability Temperature: Not available.
Conditions of Instability: Not available.



posted on May, 28 2010 @ 09:22 AM
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Ya, the oil was bad enough. The Methane is potentially devastating, and then we allowed them to put Corexit in massive untested and illegal quantities?

The Coast Guard was running radio ads in Florida trying to justify the use of corexit, but it makes absolutely no sense? If they ever plan on cleaning up "every last drop" as BP has stated, then why would they want to disperse it?

This smells like sabotage! Large columns of crude are much easier to track and recover than dispersed oil across the entire Gulf and Atlantic?

ATS is a smart community, I am a smart guy with a Chemistry degree, but surely the "insiders" in the government and inside BP know at least as much as we know. If they KNOW this is a bad idea on every level, then why did they still do it? Intentional sabotage? But Why?


I going to Destin, FL this weekend. I went to Panama City 2 weeks ago. I am getting my beach time in now while I can. I have heard estimates of seafood bans from 3 - 10 years. I expect Oyster, Lobster, and Blue Crab bans to start any second now. This will change the landscape of the Gulf Coast for an entire generation. My kids are 3 and 2, and they will miss out on everything that I moved to Florida for! I am so sad my stomach hurts, and I want to tear something or somebody to pieces, but where do I start?



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