Claim of only 8% of UA93 passenger remains found supports conspiracy

Originally posted by mike dangerously
The story of the "heroic passengers vs. the evil terrorists." was a flimsy storyline to lull the public back to sleep.

So, you are calling the victims of flight 93, their families, and the 911 operators liars?

Nice Job Mike.

reply to post by Six Sigma
the victims families only heard what the government wanted them to hear it's easier to tell them that they overpowered the terrorists then it is to tell them they were shot down by the USAF and risk a lawsuit.The so-called operators were pawns just like the passengers in flight 93.

Okay, so if we say that it is remotely possible for the remains of 44 bodies to be reduced to just 650#, and we'll skip the ideas about blood and bones disintegrating and stuff.

What about teeth?
Any found at all? Although it's been pointed out that I'm not a crash scene investigator, and I'll admit to not being a coroner/medically trained person, I would be very surprised if no teeth survived. They have a different make up from the softer bones, flesh, organs, blood, and skin.
What kind of teeth were found? None? I'd like to know. Or was this information not deemed to be interesting? Did teeth make up part of the 650#? Did they help to identify the people on board?

It was such a strange day.

It's been explained that milk and blood have similar characteristics, despite the dissimilarities in viscosity etc. and how a carton of milk is an awesome simulator of a human body.

reply to post by Badgered1

What kind of teeth were found? None? I'd like to know. Or was this information not deemed to be interesting? Did teeth make up part of the 650#? Did they help to identify the people on board?

Tooth was recovered at scene - it was lodged in a tree branch which gives you idea of the violence of the impact and degree bodies were
fragmented


Took me 15 seconds to find this information.....

In the late fall of 2001, as Shaler and his colleagues were engaged in the slow work of conducting DNA tests on the thousands of fragments from Ground Zero, pathologists at the Pennsylvania and Pentagon sites were moving much more quickly. Many of the remains were burned and badly damaged, but identifiable. In Pennsylvania, Somerset County coroner Wallace E. Miller and his team scoured the "halo"—the field and woods surrounding the crater left when United Airlines Flight 93 plunged into the ground. The debris was everywhere. Trees were draped with scraps of luggage, clothing, bits of the fuselage and human remains. Walking through the crash site in the days after the attacks, Miller's eye caught a flash of light 20 feet up in the branches of a hemlock tree. "I only noticed it because the sun happened to hit it at just the right angle," he says. A tree climber brought it down. It was a single tooth with a silver filling. Eventually it was matched to one of the passengers.

As someone who did recovery at crash scene can attest to fact that bodies
are badly fragmented - most remains are little more than random scraps of tissue. This was at a crash which hit at 60% (350 mph) of velocity of Flight 93

Originally posted by mike dangerously
reply to post by Six Sigma

 

the victims families only heard what the government wanted them to hear it's easier to tell them that they overpowered the terrorists then it is to tell them they were shot down by the USAF and risk a lawsuit.The so-called operators were pawns just like the passengers in flight 93.

Mike,

You should read up a little on the passengers, no?

Jeremy Glick

"We're going to rush the hijackers."

-Jeremy Glick as reported by his wife Lyzbeth Glick who was on the phone with him.

His 20-minute call not only gave him several opportunities to tell his wife he loved her, but it also enabled Mrs. Glick's mother to contact police on another line, allowing authorities to listen in on much of the call and to gather information about the passengers' plight.

www.unitedheroes.com...

www.time.com...

CeCe Lyles

She called her husband and told him that passengers were rushing the cockpit.

Todd Beamer

"Are you guys ready? Okay. Let's roll!"

as reported by 911 operator Lisa Jefferson

So, please with all your infinite knowledge, was the government involved in these phone calls?

"As someone who did recovery at crash scene can attest to fact that bodies
are badly fragmented - most remains are little more than random scraps of tissue."

Is this the case with EVERY crash scene? I am sure there are crash sites where bodies are recovered in one piece, bodies are recovered with severed limbs, bodies are recovered which are badly burned, bodies are recovered which are in multiple pieces, bodies are recovered of people who are still alive, etc. etc.

Having worked at a crash site, how can you make such an inaccurate assertion that "most remains are little more than random scraps of tissue". The state of the bodies depends 100% on how and where the plane crashed. Without attributing such impact variables, how can you make such a blanket generalization about the physical state of the bodies recovered at any plane crash?

And since the Official Story states that 2/3 or so of the plane at Shanksville buried itself into soft ground, why would most of the bodies be in such a badly damaged condition.

And by the way, where is this 2/3 piece of the plane, since it allegedly buried itself and pretty much remained in tact? That's what burying itself means, right? Where are the photos of it? Where are the photos of the reconstruction of the crashed plane?

Or...was this accident not important enough to warrant such detailed investigation and reconstruction of the aircraft? A bogus investigation is the ultimate disrespect to the victims and their families.

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reply to post by SphinxMontreal


Should have qualified statement...

Talking about high speed, high angle crash scenes similar to Flight 93 or PSA 1771 where aircraft impacted ground at steep angle and high speed

At such crashes aircraft and bodies of occupants are badly fragmented on impact.

Low speed, low angle crashes are different - there were survivors from
recent accidents in Lbya and India. Both aircraft crashed during landings
aka low speed and at low angle to the ground.

reply to post by Six Sigma
they may have made those calls but at the time the order to shoot down any unresponsive jets was issued then we have all have read or seen videos of witnesses talking about hearing fighters around the same time the plane went down.But,of course those people don't know what they are talking about despite a good number of them being combat vets,besides according to the 9/11 commissoners they were "mistaken."

Originally posted by Six Sigma
Truthers have been asked for years to look into flight 1771 and compare the eerie similarities.

We've responded to this crash. There's a couple of major differences that helps prove Shanksville crash was staged. Let's see if you can guess?

The OP seems amazed at a bandanna that was found in "pristine" condition. The OP, if able to do his research would learn this:

1- gun fragments
2- a piece of a finger stuck on the gun
3- the suicide note.

1- gun FRAGMENTS. That keyword should have tipped you off.
2- a PIECE of a finger. That keyword should have tipped you off.
3- Well let's see a photo of it to see if it was found in one piece with no rips, tears, burns, or blood like that bandana was.

reply to post by hooper

"Answer what?"

Typical troll post from hooper.

Originally posted by GoodOlDave
The only way it would support a conspiracy is if NO remains were recovered, as in zero, nada, zilch.

You'd staged a 44-passenger plane crash without leaving any remains behind?!

As you're acknowledging that 8% was found that linked the wreckage to flight 93, this necessarily means your claims have no merit.

Who said they linked, the FBI?!

You should read my OP again and "do the math."

Originally posted by thedman
Tooth was recovered at scene

Yeah, *a* tooth. What happened to the other 1,407 teeth on board?!

it was lodged in a tree branch which gives you idea of the violence of the impact and degree bodies were fragmented

Curious, please describe how it all happened for that ONE tooth (with the shiny filling that "happened" to face the right way) to two get wedge high in a tree like that one reportedly did.

Originally posted by thedman

Talking about high speed, high angle crash scenes similar to Flight 93 or PSA 1771 where aircraft impacted ground at steep angle and high speed

Question for you, what angle did UA93 allegedly crash at and how hard was the ground reportedly?

They would have us believe that this......

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/894fa745cd6c.jpg[/atsimg]



....got buried so deeply that the area looked like this ...

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/8caeb39775c0.jpg[/atsimg]


...with the plane supposedly buried at a depth of between 40 and 50 feet....


Then, miraculously, two weeks later the FBI announced that 95% of the plane had been recovered..

Anybody see something not quite right...???

I'll give you a clue....


Look at the dimensions of the "crater"...then look at the dimensions of the plane.

Doesnt add up does it??

Lack of plane wreckage ??

Lack of fire damage( think of those fires at WTC1 and 2 )??

Infact, a complete lack of anything!!

Come on...!!


They would also have us believe that this ....

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/5f192e21423b.jpg[/atsimg]


...is how the crash site looked...

The crater is approx. 10 foot deep...

The plane not only tunneled itself to a depth of 45 ft. but then "filled in" the hole it had made....

Personally, that looks like a bomb site, not a plane crash site, and the above photos are strong indicators that NO plane crashed as the fairytale OS would have us believe....


If someone innocently stumbled onto that hole in the ground, they would call you a liar if you told them a Boeing had crashed there...

Originally posted by mike dangerously
reply to post by Six Sigma

 

they may have made those calls but at the time the order to shoot down any unresponsive jets was issued then we have all have read or seen videos of witnesses talking about hearing fighters around the same time the plane went down.But,of course those people don't know what they are talking about despite a good number of them being combat vets,besides according to the 9/11 commissoners they were "mistaken."

Wait...what?
Are you saying that it was a coincidence that at the same time these brave people were attempting to storm the cockpit, the government was shooting down the plane?

Do you even know the time line of the events?

Have you even looked at the evidence of the debris fields?

Originally posted by benoni
They would have us believe that this......
.....Then, miraculously, two weeks later the FBI announced that 95% of the plane had been recovered..

Anybody see something not quite right...???


.......

Have you read into flight 1771? Probably not. You have no experience in aircraft accident investigations.

There is a reason why not ONE SINGLE crash scene investigator who was there thinks that anything BUT a Boeing 757 crashed there.

Originally posted by ATH911


1- gun FRAGMENTS. That keyword should have tipped you off.
2- a PIECE of a finger. That keyword should have tipped you off.
3- Well let's see a photo of it to see if it was found in one piece with no rips, tears, burns, or blood like that bandana was.

Dude... really? We are talking about an airsickness bag here. Have you ever been on an airplane?

The plane crashed going at speeds of 1.2x Mach, yet a flimsy air sickness bag survived and was in good enough condition to be able to read this:

“It's kind of ironical, isn't it? I asked for leniency for my family, remember? Well, I got none, and now you'll get none.”

Also:

A badge identifying David Burke, a fired USAir employee suspected of causing the crash of a jetliner, was found amid the wreckage of the plane

www.chron.com...

You see, different items survive. A note, a badge, a bandanna, a ring, a credit card.

Other things don't.



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reply to post by ATH911


NTSB analysis of Flight Data Recorder

www.ntsb.gov...

From 10:00 to 10:02 there were four distinct control column inputs that caused the airplane to pitch nose-up (climb) and nose-down (dive) aggressively. During this time the airplane climbed to about 10,000 feet while turning to the right. The airplane then pitched nose-down and rolled to the right in response to flight control inputs, and impacted the ground at about 490 knots (563 mph) [FDR says 500 kts] in a 40 degree nose-down, inverted attitude. The time of impact was 10:03:11."

Crash scene was reclaimed (filled in) old strip mine

Originally posted by benoni

They would have us believe that this......

is a photoshop image you made up.

....got buried so deeply that the area looked like this ...

The area looked like this but not because of the phony image you posted.

...with the plane supposedly buried at a depth of between 40 and 50 feet....

You are the only one supposing that. All by yourself. Based on your photoshop image.

Then, miraculously, two weeks later the FBI announced that 95% of the plane had been recovered..

After a massive recovery operation, uh, like, where is the miracle?? If I spend 12 hours painting my bedroom then its not quite a miracle that the room has a new coat of paint.

Anybody see something not quite right...???

Yeah, your photoshop images.

I'll give you a clue....

First you have to get one.

Look at the dimensions of the "crater"...then look at the dimensions of the plane.

So where are the dimensions of the crater and when did you measure them?

Doesnt add up does it??

Not in your cartoon world.

Lack of plane wreckage ??

Well, except, of course, for all the plane wreckage. But lets not obsess about details like that, huh?

Lack of fire damage( think of those fires at WTC1 and 2 )??

Except for the blackened, scarred and smoking tree line in the photos.

Infact, a complete lack of anything!!

Except for all the, uh, stuff like human remains, plane wreckage, debris, impact crater, burnt treeline.

Come on...!!

OK! Where are we going?

They would also have us believe that this ....

...is how the crash site looked...

Just because its a photo of the crash site.

The crater is approx. 10 foot deep...

Approximately? So? Exactly how deep should it be then? And based on what? You don't know how deep it is but somehow you know its not deep enough!

The plane not only tunneled itself to a depth of 45 ft. but then "filled in" the hole it had made....

Only in your fevered imagination.

Personally, that looks like a bomb site, not a plane crash site, and the above photos are strong indicators that NO plane crashed as the fairytale OS would have us believe....

Personally it looks like a crash site. There, glad thats all cleared up.

If someone innocently stumbled onto that hole in the ground, they would call you a liar if you told them a Boeing had crashed there...

Only if by "they" you actually mean, well....you.

Originally posted by Six Sigma
The plane crashed going at speeds of 1.2x Mach, yet a flimsy air sickness bag survived and was in good enough condition to be able to read this:

Awesome, let's see it.

A badge identifying David Burke, a fired USAir employee suspected of causing the crash of a jetliner, was found amid the wreckage of the plane

Awesome, let's see it.

You see, different items survive. A note, a badge, a bandanna, a ring, a credit card.

Ya know, you might wanna go back and read my OP so you don't come across as so ignorant. No one is saying things shouldn't have survived at all.