Originally posted by guohua
reply to post by Digital_Reality
Sorry Man didn't mean to RAG On YOU so much,
I know, you meant well, Just Old Age and I'm DAMN GRUMPY WITH OUT MY LATE-NITE CUP OF COFFEE.
I smell it brewing now.
But in an e-mail, Sue Hebson, assistant superintendent of the Highland Park/Deerfield School District, said the decision not to allow the team to travel to Arizona was based on safety rather than a political statement.
"Rather, under long-standing constitutional law, all school districts are required to provide an education to all children within the district's borders regardless of immigration status," Hebson said in a statement. "Similarly, when our students travel, the school district is responsible, both legally and ethically, for their safety, security and liberty.
"District 113 (Highland Park/Deerfield) boasts a diverse student population and, as a school district, we believe in equal opportunity for each of our students," she continued. "The selection of a varsity basketball team for the 2010-2011 winter athletic season will take place in November, 2010. The team has yet to be selected. We cannot commit at this time to playing at a venue where some of our students' safety or liberty might be placed at risk because of state immigration law."
Originally posted by manta78
And to answer your question as to how we determine who/which companies are hiring illegals, that is simple. INS can run undercover stings with operatives posing as potential employees... go thru the scenario as above, multiply that times 9-10 employers in one town, and you will know.....
abecedarian says:
Screw the arguably "racial profiling" of "sting operations". If there are no illegals to hire, companies can't hire them... can they?
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manta78: I answered your question you asked below:
abecedarian: "Anyhow, people say "target the companies that hire illegals"....
Well, how do you do that? You first have to determine which companies are hiring illegals, and that means you have to determine WHO is illegal so you can see which company hired them... and how do you do that?"
manta78: says: As to how can we determine who/which company is hiring illegals.
manta78 says: see the "how from the from my reply to you.
manta 78 says:
1. And yes "stings" are legal, are conducted by INS, and yes I-9's are required to be completed by all employees and employers in the United States, including for citizens. There is no "racial profiling" because there are no exceptions. Either the employer has the form on file for an employee or not. Sounds like to me that you did not want to hear an answer that makes sense....hmmm.
2. Obviously if you ss# has been used 3 times by illegals, it probably has been "sold" somewhere along the line. You may even be able to petition the SS office for a new number, which may be approved, although not an easy process.
3. I am 100% against illegal immigration, and support the rights of Arizona, or any other state's rights who may pass similiar legislation if that is what it takes to at least slow down this problem. We all know that federal legislation is already on the books, but if that is not
effective or working to stop the problem, can you really blame a state for taking a stance?
4. One very simple suggestion I made here at ATS on one of the many immigration threads is for state governments to utilize something that they already have which is a driver's license, and merely add a code
such as C for citizen, RA for registered alien etc. to person's driver's licenses to help with this identification problem. Most states require that a birth certificate or passport be provided before an id is issued anyways. Officers are going to ask anyone they stop for ID normally, so it is applied universally to all persons who are stopped.
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Abecedarian says:
"Anyhow, an I-9 does not verify identity. That's the "independant contractor" version of a W-2. All that's needed is a SS# that somehow fits into the system and verification is done. Sheesh. My SS# has been used at least 3 times by at least as many other people with hispanic names, and I'm not hispanic... so nothing is proved there."
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manta 78 says:
1. I suggest that you review the laws regarding I-9.'s It is a form kept in the employee file for the government that helps to verify identity, (I did not say it does, as obviously papers can be faked as pointed out in the example) and shows INS investigators that the employer has tried to comply with the law, and then it is up to them (INS) to determine if the information provided on that form is accurate.
2. I suggest you review the document below, which again is required by all employers in the United States. If your employer is not completing this form, which requires both your signature, and the employer's signature, they are potentially facing very heavy fines for each employee.
Here's the form:
www.uscis.gov...
Especially note this from the form which states:
"What is the purpose of this form? The purpose of this form is to document that each new employee, both citizen and non citizen, hired after November 6, 1986, is authorized to work in the United States."
[edit on 19-5-2010 by manta78]
